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Re: Re: ratchet straps
« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2017, 08:44:17 PM »


What are safety clips?
I'm using the wrong term.  My apologies.  Mac calls them snap hooks:





I've heard them as snap hook, safety hook, hook clip, & I'm sure there are a few other names I can't remember at the moment.

My current straps have the wire hook and I've had them pop loose a couple times. This is why I've always made it a practice to slam on the brakes several times as I drive down the driveway and on the street coming out of my subdivision. I'll stop and check the strap tension and tighten if necessary. Then I'll go to the QT before I get to I-575 and stop for inspection one last time before pulling onto the highway.

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Re: Re: ratchet straps
« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2017, 08:46:09 PM »
Doug, at this point it's about belief, not logic with the X folks.  Just like with religion, no amount of logic can change someone's belief.  It's a valiant effort you have put forth!

Sorry I only went through half a mechanical engineering degree.  I'm sure they would have covered this subject had I finished.  That argument "if you lose one strap, it's worse" is arguing a different point in time - after/when/if you lose one.  if you don't lose one, you have more lateral stability.  I had a first hand occurrence and I almost lost my Jeep and trailer and perhaps more becuase I had mine going straight.  I won't do that again and I hope you get just as lucky as I did should you have a close encounter.

What are safety clips?
I'm using the wrong term.  My apologies.  Mac calls them snap hooks:


I'm surprised Doug is now preaching strap to the axle... 
I grab the bumpers and pull out all down but you do have to check and tighten.  It does bounce if I grab the axles.  Grabbing the bumpers also means lower in the wind.
I am not a mechanical engineer, so what I consider logical for this may not actually be logical!  I can see where the arch of the straps, regardless of whether they are crossed or straight, would impact the amount of downward pressure on the axles (and thus the tires). 

Don, when your Jeep about fell off, was there any slack in either strap (while still attached) after it happened?

Airing up the tires will help avoid what Don mentioned/experienced, since the low air pressure allows some give in the tires and pressurized tires will not have as much give/flex. 


My tires were aired up.

Mac says to ensure 1 full wrap on the straps or they will slightly come loose and you'll have to tighten them as you go.  I used to not follow that and mine would be slightly loose at stops.  Since following it that better mine have not been coming loose.

I consider safety clips crucial.  You should buy some for your safety and others.  It's hard to argue against liability if something happens when they cost 100-200 and you have much more in the Jeep/tow setup and spend that routinely on other things for the Jeep.  Just my opinion.  I'm sure it could be said about other things also.

Tires provide a lot of resistance.  I bet you could go a long way with no straps if you didn't make sudden movements or hit curbs.

We could say - well don't jump curbs.  I didn't jump the whole thing, just enough to throw the trailer off axis a bit.  The reason for straps isn't for when nothing happens - it's for when something does. e.g. hitting a curb you didn't see.
  Agreed!
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Re: Re: ratchet straps
« Reply #26 on: March 15, 2017, 10:20:59 PM »


That argument "if you lose one strap, it's worse" is arguing a different point in time - after/when/if you lose one. 
What are safety clips?
I'm using the wrong term.  My apologies.  Mac calls them snap hooks:


I'm surprised Doug is now preaching strap to the axle... 
I grab the bumpers and pull out all down but you do have to check and tighten.  It does bounce if I grab the axles.  Grabbing the bumpers also means lower in the wind.

Yep, did it for years and always got loose straps.  Now that I tie the axles straight forward and back, they stay tight.

Agree on snap hooks with safety clips   I looked at ordering today to switch to them.

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Re: Re: ratchet straps
« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2017, 03:28:18 AM »
When I first started borrowing my brother in laws
trailer (6 years ago) he had these straps.....found
they started getting frayed from rubbing on the
edge of trailer from hooking on the stake pocket

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Re: Re: ratchet straps
« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2017, 03:30:53 AM »
Then I bought these at Tractor Supply
both of these I've had come lose at one
point or another from bouncing around.


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Re: Re: ratchet straps
« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2017, 03:35:24 AM »
Then a couple years ago I saw these and had
to buy them. Run through the stake pocket and
hook. They worked a lot better and did not rub
anywhere.

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Re: Re: ratchet straps
« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2017, 03:38:02 AM »
Now after buying my own trailer that came with
D-ring anchors...even though bolted thru the floor
I found these so......now I love these the best

 
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Re: Re: ratchet straps
« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2017, 04:10:31 AM »
I didn't care for where the PO had the anchor points (hauled 4 wheelers)
so I did add new D-ring anchors bolted thru the frame with all grade 8 bolts.
This seemed to work better and plus gives me more options for tying down

(you can 4 of these with 15% discount shipped to door for $75)








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Re: Re: ratchet straps
« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2017, 06:40:45 AM »
I'm positive that in an accident on my trailer, the board mounted d rings would just pull the boards off my trailer instead of holding the jeep to the trailer!
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Re: Re: ratchet straps
« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2017, 07:05:44 AM »
I agree with that.....
I feel a lot better with the frame mounted ones.
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Re: Re: ratchet straps
« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2017, 07:13:30 AM »
I'm positive that in an accident on my trailer, the board mounted d rings would just pull the boards off my trailer instead of holding the jeep to the trailer!
Only thru the boards, when you can weld?

I'm buying parts or I'll have extras...

I need a chain hook or the flat hook on the trailer end and the snap hook on the axle end.

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Re: Re: ratchet straps
« Reply #35 on: March 16, 2017, 07:14:49 AM »
I'm positive that in an accident on my trailer, the board mounted d rings would just pull the boards off my trailer instead of holding the jeep to the trailer!
Only thru the boards, when you can weld?

I'm buying parts or I'll have extras...

I need a chain hook or the flat hook on the trailer end and the snap hook on the axle end.
My rears are welded on...sketchy welds

I use the stake pockets at the front, currently.
Clark
1998 TJ Sahara

 



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