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Good read for the countrys troubling times!
« on: December 10, 2008, 03:07:04 PM »
My boss passed this along to me and called the guy and talked for awhile. Awesome read...


Letter To General Motors
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 Abridged letter from Troy Clarke, President of General Motors
- followed by a response from our son, Gregory Knox:
 
 
              Dear Employee,
 
              Next week, Congress and the current Administration will determine whether to provide immediate support to the domestic auto industry to help it through one of the most difficult economic times in our nation's history. Your elected officials must hear from all of us now on why this support is critical to our continuing the progress we began prior to the global financial crisis.....................As an employee, you have a lot at stake and continue to be one of our most effective and passionate voices. I know GM can count on you to have your voice heard.
 
              Thank you for your urgent action and ongoing support.
 
              Troy Clarke
              President
              General Motors North America
 
              ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
              From Gregory Knox,
 
              In response to your request to call legislators and ask for a bailout for the  United States  automakers please consider the following, and please also pass this onto Troy Clark, the president of General Motors North America for me.
 
               You are both infected with the same entitlement mentality that has bred like cancerous germs in UAW halls for the last countless decades, and whose plague is now sweeping the nation, awaiting our new "messiah" to wave his magical wand and make all our problems go away, while at the same time allowing our once great nation to keep "living the dream".
 
               The dream is over!
 
               The dream that we can ignore the consumer for years while management myopically focuses on its personal rewards packages at the same time that our factories have been filled with the worlds most overpaid, arrogant, ignorant and laziest entitlement minded "laborers" without paying the price for these atrocities and that still the masses will line up to buy our products
 
               Don't tell me I'm wrong. Don't accuse me of not knowing of what I speak. I have called on Ford,GM ,Chrysler,TRW,Delphi,Kelsey Hayes, American Axle and countless other automotive OEM's and Tier ones for 3 decades now throughout the Midwest and what I've seen over the years in these union shops can only be described as disgusting.
 
              Mr Clark, the president of General Motors, states:
 
               There is widespread sentiment in this country, our government and especially in the media that the current crisis is completely the result of bad management. It is not.
 
               You're right, it's not JUST management, how about the electricians who walk around the plants like lords in feudal times, making people wait on them for countless hours while they drag ass so they can come in on the weekend and make double and triple time for a job they easily could have done within their normal 40 hour week
 
               How about the line workers who threaten newbies with all kinds of scare tactics for putting out too many parts on a shift and for being too productive (mustn't expose the lazy bums who have been getting overpaid for decades for their horrific underproduction, must we?!?) Do you really not know about this stuff?!?
 
               How about this great sentiment abridged from Mr. Clarke's sad plea:
 
               over the last few years we have closed the quality and efficiency gaps with our competitors.
 
               What the hell has  Detroit  been doing for the last 40 years?!?
 
               Did we really JUST wake up to the gaps in quality and efficiency between us and them?
 
               The K car vs. the Accord?
 
               The Pinto vs. the Civic?!?
 
               Do I need to go on?
 
               We are living through the inevitable outcome of the actions of the  United States  auto industry for decades.
 
               Time to pay for your sins,  Detroit .
 
               I attended an economic summit last week where a brilliant economist, Alan Beaulieu surprised the crowd when he said he would not have given the banks a penny of "bailout money". Yes, he said, this would cause short term problems, but despite what people like George Bush and Troy Clark would have us believe, the sun would in fact rise the next day and something else would happen. Where there had been greedy and sloppy banks, new efficient ones would pop up. That is how a free market system works. It does work if we would let it work!
 
               But for some reason we are now deciding that the rest of the world is right and that capitalism doesn't work; that we need the government to step in and "save us". Save us, hell we're nationalizing and unfortunately too many of this once fine nation's citizens don't even have a clue that this is what's really happening but they sure can tell you the stats on their favorite sports teams yeah THAT'S important.
 
               Does it occur to ANYONE that the "competition" has been producing vehicles, EXTREMELY PROFITABLY, for decades now in this country?...
 
               How can that be???
 
               Let's see - -
 
               Fuel efficient -
 
               Listening to customers -
 
               Investing in the proper tooling and automation for the long haul -
 
               Not being too complacent or arrogant to listen to Dr W Edwards Deming 4 decades ago -
 
               Ever increased productivity through quality, lean and six sigma plans -
 
               Treating vendors like strategic partners, rather than like "the enemy" -
 
               Efficient front and back offices -
 
               Non union environment -
 
               Again, I could go on and on, but I really wouldn't be telling anyone anything they really don't already know in their hearts
 
               I have six children, so I am not unfamiliar with the concept of wanting someone to bail you out of a mess that you have gotten yourself into. My children do this on a weekly, if not daily basis, as I did at their age. I do for them what my parents did for me (one of their greatest gifts, by the way). I make them stand on their own two feet and accept the consequences of their actions and work them through.
 
               Radical concept, huh?
 
               Am I there for them in the wings? Of course but only until such time as they need to be fully on their own as adults
 
               I don't want to oversimplify a complex situation, but there certainly are unmistakable parallels here between the proper role of parenting and government.
 
                Detroit and the  United States  need to pay for their sins.
 
               Bad news people, it's coming whether we like it or not.
 
               The newly elected Messiah really doesn't have a magic wand big enough to "make it all go away"  I laughed as I heard Obama "reeling it back in" almost immediately after the vote count was tallied "we might not do it in a year or in four"! Where was that kind of talk when he was RUNNING for the office
 
               Stop trying to put off the inevitable!
 
               That house in  Florida  really isn't worth $750,000!
 
               People who jump across a border really don't deserve free health care benefits!
 
               That job driving that forklift for the big 3 really isn't worth $85,000 a year!
 
               That couple whose combined income is less than $50,000 really shouldn't be living in that $485,000 home!
 
               Let the market correct itself people, it will. Yes it will be painful, but it's gonna be painful either way, and the bright side of my proposal is that on the other side of it is a nation that appreciates what is has and doesn't live beyond its means and gets back to basics and redevelops the work ethic that made it the greatest nation in the history of the world and probably turns back to God.
 
               Sorry, don't cut my head off. I'm just the messenger sharing with you the "bad news"
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
              Gregory J Knox
 
              President
 
              Knox Machinery, Inc.
 
              Franklin,  Ohio   45005
 
             
I've grown tired of this.

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Re: Good read for the countrys troubling times!
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2008, 03:40:43 PM »
Excellent letter. We were just taking about this last night how they said it's not due to bad management, it's all due to the economy. They even tried to say that Honda and Toyota sales were down. The difference is yea, there sells might be down but they are not facing bankruptcy. And in the past 5 years the big three have been closing down plants and laying people off, why aren't they mentioning any of that. Their problems started way before the economy tanked, it just help put them over the edge. They need to correct themselves, giving them money will only delay the process.
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Re: Good read for the countrys troubling times!
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2008, 03:49:30 PM »
That is what I refer to as "an excercise in futility" ;)
I've grown tired of this.

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Re: Good read for the countrys troubling times!
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2008, 04:44:19 PM »
That reply is perfect. When the airlines were tanking after 9/11 we were basicly told suck it up and were refused bail out monies. The higher management at that time all built themselves golden parachutes (and yes they opened and worked). We all made major sacrficies, salaries, vacation time, retirement, health benefits. At the same time upper management were getting bonusus because they only lost this much money this quarter. I have a bad taste in my mouth for big corp. bs. Somehow we got a few people that figured out ways to turn things around ( I HOPE), let the big three sort it out, let me keep my money that they will take from me in taxes, make me a good vehicle at a resonable price, I will give you my tax money that I saved, for that product that you should have been making all the time. I worked for IBEW very breifly, I was not impressed with Union mentality, I have pride that we at Delta in Maintenance have always been non-union.

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Re: Good read for the countrys troubling times!
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2008, 04:51:41 PM »
Mark, you said you would buy a car if blah, blah, blah. That were I think the problem is. If they receive a bunch of money so what, who's going to buy their cars, they were already losing sales before the economy tanked. Giving them money will not do a darn thing for the economy.
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Re: Good read for the countrys troubling times!
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2008, 07:01:27 PM »
I was trying to say, no tax payer bail out. Build us cars that are reliable, and resonably priced, then sell them to us. You know, bail your self out, with your goods and services. If that makes any since.

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Re: Good read for the countrys troubling times!
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2008, 08:23:24 PM »
I understand exactly what you were saying, but they seem to have a problem doing this. As the letter says they have ignored the obvious for years.
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Re: Good read for the countrys troubling times!
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2008, 08:58:54 PM »
It is hard to say... let them fail and we will have MAJOR job loss BUT it almost seems crazy to bail them out for sucking. That is what it comes down, they suck as the writer says and have been making over priced, crappy vehicles. I mean come on, lets just take the JK... The 4 door Rubicon cost how much? And i had how much water in my floors this morning from the rain? Right... no reason a $35k vehicle should leak like there is a big hole in the top and Chrysler claims now they have no answers (I am not the only person with a JK with massive leaks). How many folks do you think read that on a forum and pass up a JK? Or why should basic work trucks cost so much these days? Hell the truck cost more than the contractors can make now.

I guess it is just nice to read something that I agree with a 100%

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Re: Good read for the countrys troubling times!
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2008, 09:46:29 PM »
We have shot ourselfs in the foot.. how you ask? UNIONS... everyone wants to make 100k a yr.. auto makers have to pay big money to have people work there making these crappy cars.. look at one worker for GM, one from Ford and then look at one from Nissan.. look at the difference.. GM pays into the 401K more then anyone else, Ford pays 1.50 for every $1 someone puts in, Nissan pays 1:1. (these numbers are not 100% but i hope you get the meaning behind them) but the American worker wants more pay then the amount of work that he or she does. Think about just how much work you really do in a day, how many days off you get each month, days off each year, lunch breaks, breaks, smoke breaks, and now add up that time that you are not working reading e-mails checking this forum, and bs with your co-worker, just how much time do you really work? out of an 8hr day the normal person only works about 4-5hrs. you say you only make 8 bucks an hour now its more like 10. We as Americans want to work less but make more. 
So who put us in this problem the answer is simple... we did.. The Gov tried to get us to buy American long time ago.. remember the ads buy American products? Made in the USA? Did we? No.. we wanted more but didnt want to pay more... We allow other countries to import their goods here with low tarffis and we have to pay out the nose when we export to thier countries, how much do you think you can buy a new 2009 BMW for in Germany? How much do you think the new Mustang is in germany? How about trying to buy a new Mustang in Japan? We have to stop and think about what we as Americans do each day, what we buy, and how we invest our money.. but who cares right?? well right now everyone wants to point the finger at someone else. i say look at yourself and ask what could I have done.. Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country, I know someone said that once before... anyone listen? Have I done my part, I buy alot of made in USA and alot of made in China.. but all of the cars I have owned in the past have been "American Made" cars. Have I owned anything else yes, when I was in germany i bought a BMW 535i, 5k bucks.. opps..

ok i can go on and on but i am done with this Rant.. Just tired of people saying " Oh crap I am going under please uncle sugar bail me out"... bail yourself out.. noone has bailed me out when I couldnt pay my bills..

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Re: Good read for the countrys troubling times!
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2008, 09:56:45 AM »

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Re: Good read for the countrys troubling times!
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2008, 01:04:49 PM »
Very well put MikeD. I like what you said and you said it perfect. And hell, based on true assesment I assume I make about $28 an hour except for these past 2 months that are super busy and I do put in 8 hours and make my regular pay.

 



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