Good response MikeD. IMO as well. I don't say much in the technical threads and YES I hate mud as well. Now, some years ago there was a documented event in Petersen's 4 wheel and off road. it consisted of the same events that D-town Mike( owner) stated. There was a local guy in my town who was sponsored by BFG and a local shop. It was a 3 man team. The events were wheeling to a location, mystery event and, of all things, a target shoot...they team then had to wheel back to the start point. Forward thinking is what the D-town owner is looking for. With the economy and funds being tight for some, getting down to D-town to help design and push for an event will be difficult. I spoke to the owner that weekend in reference to teaching shooting courses and basic marksmanship and pistol classes, for even members of this forum. This guy wants to expand and do more. Wheeling is just scraping the surface of the possibilities of this place. With the possible closure of RR forever, we can focus toward this establishment and the owner is willing to listen.