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OPEN RIDES & EVENTS => Trail Rides & Open Events (Everyone's invited) => Topic started by: BigJerm on November 07, 2008, 12:55:04 PM
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UPDATED 4/10/2009
We have talked about it enough in everyone else’s thread so sometime in 2010 I plan to make a trip to the Rubicon. I will be driving the Jeep, no flying, no hauling, I want to see as I go. Anyways I know Ben is game in the TJ but I am putting this up for anyone else. Still got a lot of research to do! Comments, suggestions, post up here.
OK… A LOT of information in this thread. Basically this is what we know so far:
Trip: GA to the Rubicon trail to Moab and back home. Leaving on a Saturday and getting home 14 days later on Saturday. YES we do plan to sleep in rigs/camp on the way out there and back and NO hauling jeeps on an 18 wheeler is way too much $$$.
-5,090 miles
-$635 in gas ($2.50 a gallon 16 city. 20 highway)
-8.5 days travel, 7 days wheeling (3 Rubicon, 4 Moab)
Rough Schedule:
-Saturday through Tuesday: driving from GA to CA (2,489 miles)
-Wednesday through Friday: Rubicon trail
-Friday afternoon through Saturday: driving to Moab (852 miles)
-Sunday through Wednesday: Wheel Moab
-Thursday through Saturday: Drive home (1,749)
Maps:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Smyrna,+GA&daddr=Ice+House+Rd%2FUS+Forest+Service+Rd+3+to:Moab,+UT+to:Smyrna,+GA&hl=en&geocode=Fa_ABAIdZkf2-g%3BFSFdUgIddRTT-A%3B%3B&mra=ls&sll=38.931105,-120.316772&sspn=0.155702,0.362549&ie=UTF8&z=5
Map showing both start points:
http://www.rubicon4x4.com/images/rubicon_loon_ws.gif
Good website:
http://www.rubicon4x4.com/rubicon_info_main.php
Possible Departure Saturdays:
June 5 Pick 1
June 12 Pick 2
July 10
August 7
August 14
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Nice write up Jerm. Someone is bored at work. ;)
Can you put up a Google map showing your entire route, or at least 2, 1 out, and 1 back. It's cool how it will let you grab and bend the route, and change the destination/origination points.
Can you run the Rubicon on 1 tank/ 3 days?
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The Rubicon is around 18 miles long. Some say 11, some say 12, but a lot of people don't start counting miles until the rocks but the Loon trail head to Lake Tahoe is suppose to be 18 miles total. Several folks on Pirate claim a day run, some a 2 day but they say for average person, decent wheeler, never hit the Rubicon and not in a rock buggy, 3 days should be plenty to wheel, watch, hike, camp, ect.
Ill try and get some Google map stuff up in the next few days to show an idea of the possible routes. My map program at work is where I do most of my figures. It allows for Average speed, mpg, tank capacity, how long you want to stop and how often and other variables along with setting a start and end time for each day.
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added a map and website. I plan to keep this updated as I can
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This is a trip I want to go on.
When it gets a lot closer to time to go, we can find a group to take us through there if that's what we want to do. Some guys with experience out there with us...
I say pack some fuel, a 5 gallon can should do it
It's a no-brainer but spare front/rear shafts, ujoints spare whatever you can take
Survival style wheelin also. Aint' no place to show off ;D
I don't know what to expect. Is it a lot of hype or is the Rubicon really that hard?
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I would definitely be interested, however, personally, I'd rather hit Moab if I had to pick a spot to drive cross country for. I'd also be game for hauling instead of driving!
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Steven I have read some stories where guys in Monteros on 33's and lift made it through. Took on body damage, had to do some winching but made it. Seems there is a bypass (and I use that loosely because they are not super easy) around the tough obstacles. Really I want to do it more for the historical part. This is an old road, used well over 100 years old now and is still considered a road and I want to be able to say I had the chance to ride it.
The Rubicon seems to be under attack always too so who knows how long before it is gone.
gone.
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Hmm....
Fly into San-Fran. Buy a decent Jeep off of autotrader / craigslist. Rubicon. Drive back to San-Fran. Sell on craigslist. Fly home.
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Hmm....
Fly into San-Fran. Buy a decent Jeep off of autotrader / craigslist. Rubicon. Drive back to San-Fran. Sell on craigslist. Fly home.
Dave, good point! That might be the easiest and least expensive method to ride the Rubicon. Jeremy wants to see the country too, so he's planning a road trip.
I stopped by your booth in Vegas, and left a card for you. They said you were at the other Venue.
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Moab over Rubicon Jimmy? Moab is too easy. ;D Rubicon looks a bit more challenging to me.
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just fly into salt lake shorter trip... or try reno...
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Moab over Rubicon Jimmy? Moab is too easy. ;D Rubicon looks a bit more challenging to me.
The ***K you say!?! Jimmy and I were looking at some Moab pics on Tuesday and... let's just say there's plenty of stuff to completely screw us up. However, I think I would enjoy the Rubicon a little more. WHY NOT BOTH? the extra distance to the Rubicon is minuscule if you're already going to Moab.
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where is Moab at? Give me a location... see what I can do to figure it into the trip. Boy I would make some folks jealous hitting the Rubicon and part of Moab...
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Moab, Utah ;)
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I am retarded....
Anyways, add in Moab, no Yellowstone and you are looking at a total of 2,604 miles and keeping with the $2.50 average gas figure, $310.04 in gas at 16/21 mpg going one way. I think I would be willing to skip Yellowstone for a Moab trip…
So figure you COULD take the other route out to the Rubicon, save a 100 miles or so, save a little on gas, see different scenes and then after the Rubicon head back through UT to Moab, maybe stop around the Denver area, ride some forest roads and then get on back.
Total miles for that trip would be around 5,091 miles and $606.14 in gas and probably the trip of a life time! I plan to take 2 weeks off work (14 days total with weekends). Leave on a Saturday....
-Leave Saturday, roll into the nearest town from the Rubicon on a Monday night (this means keeping an 800 mile a day pace!) and stay in a hotel per Megan’s request.
-Gather supplies and start in on the Rubicon half day Tuesday
-Finish the Rubicon on Friday late morning/mid day
-Start heading towards Moab and spend Friday night somewhere in Nevada (little over 800 miles separate Rubicon and Moab).
-Roll into Moab Saturday, wheel Saturday evening, Sunday, maybe a little Monday and head out, stop outside of Denver for some scenic views of the national forest, maybe set up camp for the night there.
-Get up Tuesday and head home and should be home by Thursday sometime... Just in time to relax, clean up, fix the Jeep up, cry over the bank account, ect.
Best I can figure we can camp all nights in Moab, the Rubicon, camp around the Denver area but the rest is either going to be hotel rooms or finding campgrounds along the way to really cut down on cost. Guess I need to start saving now. What do yall think about this trip? Doable? Maybe I should add this option to the first post….
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I will be keeping and eye on this thread. ;)
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There are at least 32 full day rides/trails around Moab, so you have to pick a few if you'll only be there a few days. Go to red rock 4x4 and check it all out.
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It is a shame we cant hit more but to wheel the Rubicon and Moab in 1 trip is going to be some fun! Cant wait... savings starts in Jan. Taking atleast $35 out of each paycheck straight to savings... 35 x 2 paychecks a month (some do have 3 though) x 17 months = 1190
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We should plan this trip for right after tax money comes in ;D
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We should plan this trip for right after tax money comes in ;D
Matt, do you mean when "YOUR OVER PAYMENT COMES BACK",
or do you get an unearned credit (FREE GIFT AND WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION :bs)),
so you mean when DOUG'S MONEY COMES! >:(
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I based my time frame on what the fellas on Pirate told me. I agree it would be nice to take the trip right after I get Doug's money back from the IRS but they say you still run a chance of snow or rain season any months but the ones listed in the first post. This is the info I got from them:
"Mid June to late August would be best. Keep in mind the trail is closed for a copule of weekends at the end of July.
Earlier than mid June you run into the (slight) possibility of late winter snow still hanging around. Come September it starts to cool off, mostly evening and morning and afternoon showers become more likely. You can run the trail as early as May and as late as Oct if you like.
But if you are making plans a year out, or more and don't want to worry much about Mother Nature tossing you a curve ball, however slight, go with mid June through August"
O and Doug, just know, a large portion of my tax return (and I get a decent size return since I have to pay for my own school, no HOPE, no parents) goes back to my education.
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We should plan this trip for right after tax money comes in ;D
Will, do you mean when "YOUR OVER PAYMENT COMES BACK",
or do you get an unearned credit (FREE GIFT AND WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION :bs)),
so you mean when DOUG'S MONEY COMES! >:(
Don't think your the only one giving up the tax Doug, you at least have a couple of tax write offs. We just donate about 34% across the board. But I'm glad to help finance other peolples fun (NOT).
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you all just keep paying those taxes so i can get my checks..
thank you all taxes payers...
wait damn i pay too...
you think taxes are bad now... just wait..... {btt}
if you can save 70 a month then you can save 100...
Mike
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you all just keep paying those taxes so i can get my checks..
thank you all taxes payers...
wait damn i pay too...
you think taxes are bad now... just wait..... {btt}
if you can save 70 a month then you can save 100...
Mike
We won't be paying anymore house notes after January, 'Cause Obahma says he is going to stop foreclosures. Man we are going to have so much money it aint going to be funny. {toast}
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what about car payments??? stop repo man and tons of money....moab/vegas here we come....
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what about car payments??? stop repo man and tons of money....moab/vegas here we come....
Dude I'm a Grandpa, we don't have no stinkin' car payments, just a Mortage, and it's only for about 8 more years. Of course the newest Jeep we have is a '06 Grand Cherokee, but we paid cash for it also.
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dude wanna help out this vet.... need a loan with no % and easy repay if any need for about oh 70k ahh make it an even 100k.. that way i will have no bills... and extra to fix jeep up with some real gucci shit
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We should plan this trip for right after tax money comes in ;D
Will, do you mean when "YOUR OVER PAYMENT COMES BACK",
or do you get an unearned credit (FREE GIFT AND WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION :bs)),
so you mean when DOUG'S MONEY COMES! >:(
You definitely qouted Matt there, Doug. :D
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Avitars are both White TJ's, all us whitey's look a like.
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{btt}
Mike, I would like to save a 100 a month and I know that 30 extra doesnt seem like much but I also know I got to get that Credit Card paid off and with my new health insurance I will be taking home a little less each paycheck so I figure $70 is a good safe number for now.
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O and Doug, just know, a large portion of my tax return (and I get a decent size return since I have to pay for my own school, no HOPE, no parents) goes back to my education.
I commend you for doing that. Try best you can not to leave school with any debt.
But do you receive more back than you paid in? Not your fault if you do, just a lousy system. Fair Tax! (Even though it also sends money out to low income earners that they didn't pay in)
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We should plan this trip for right after tax money comes in ;D
Will, do you mean when "YOUR OVER PAYMENT COMES BACK",
or do you get an unearned credit (FREE GIFT AND WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION :bs)),
so you mean when DOUG'S MONEY COMES! >:(
You definitely qouted Matt there, Doug. :D
Darn Crown Royal.
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I commend you for doing that. Try best you can not to leave school with any debt.
But do you receive more back than you paid in? Not your fault if you do, just a lousy system. Fair Tax! (Even though it also sends money out to low income earners that they didn't pay in)
Best that I remember last year I got a little less from the IRS than I paid in tuition but I owed the state some money. So far doing great, not 1 dollar in student loans. I am funding school mostly off money I had in stocks that I pulled out a few years ago, found a CD doing 6.5% and stuck it in there for 18 months, then pulled it out at put that into a money market account so I would have access to it to pay for school, books and most importantly, put money back in. So just know when you get your money gets redistributed, a few dollars might make it to me and it will go to my education or to help pay off Megan’s upcoming student loans for grad school. The rest of your money… probably on some shinny new rims for the donk’s my neighbors have while they both live off welfare, wick, subsidize housing (couldn’t figure out how they afforded to live in the same complex) and are major Pro Obama.
But enough political talk in this thread… lets talk about the trip of a lifetime coming up. Ben how you feel about the plans?
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Are we still debating whether it will be the Rubicon or Moab? I have not been to either so what ever is decided will be cool with me ;D
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Well for this trip to Rubicon, Moab is a possible stop on the way home. The trip is geared towards the Rubicon, forget Moab, I want to ride the Rubicon. Now moab is only a 100 mile detour and a 100 miles isnt much with a 2,500 mile trip one way...
So far the current plans are
-Atlanta to YellowStone (WY) to Rubicon and back home.
-Atlanta to Rubicon and back.
-Atlanta to Rubicon, to Moab, and back home.
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Hope I get a raise soon! I am still on but need to figure out where I will get the extra from. I pull $40 now out of my 2 week checks. That pays for rides, parts etc. Even that has gotten tough.
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If we are looking at going sometime after June 1st, maybe the good ole tax return can help fund the trip!
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I hear ya. When it gets closer to the actual trip time we need to talk about options. If the money is there hitting the Rubicon and Moab would be awesome but I figure adding in Moab probably adds on another 150 miles of travel and trails easy, supplies for the days on the trails in Moab not to mention a few more days. As posted on the first page, figure if we left on a Saturday morning, we could hit the Rubicon, Moab and be back home Thursday of the next week. But if we did just the Rubicon it would look more like
-Leave Saturday
-Get into a hotel by the Rubicon Monday night
-Gather supplies and head in Tuesday afternoon. Get off the Rubicon sometime Friday mid morning, early afternoon and get an early start home and we can take a little slower, more enjoyable pace since we will have 3.5 days instead of 3.
-Be back home Monday mid to late day having 3.5 days to make the drive back instead of 3 on the way there.
For the money that would be better. On paper the miles for only 3 or so days of wheeling sucks but it’s not like we have that trail here or much of anything like it. It does mean having to figure out somewhere to hotel/camp Saturday night and Sunday night on the way there (Monday night is hotel for sure for me). Then 3.5 days of supplies on the trail and then 3 nights of hotel/camping on the way home. Figure we get home Monday, take Tuesday off, and for those who needed it, could be back to work Wednesday.
I figured if we did the Yellowstone/Rubicon option it would end up taking about the same time as the Moab version, maybe a day less but is a bit more driving where as Moab is only 100 miles off.
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This does not help any... http://www.pirate4x4.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=30622
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It sure doesnt!
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If the money is there hitting the Rubicon and Moab would be awesome but I figure adding in Moab probably adds on another 150 miles of travel and trails easy, supplies for the days on the trails in Moab not to mention a few more days.
Then 3.5 days of supplies on the trail and then 3 nights of hotel/camping on the way home.
I figured if we did the Yellowstone/Rubicon option it would end up taking about the same time as the Moab version, maybe a day less but is a bit more driving where as Moab is only 100 miles off.
Jeremy,
If you're going all that way, go ahead and take a few extra days off (even without pay) to enjoy the Rubicon and some of the Moab trails. It's a once in a lifetime trip for most. For me, Yellowstone is for the family, fly up, rent a car, and see the entire area for a week or more. You'll have a family before too long. ;) I want 2 full weeks minimum if possible if driving a Rubicon/Moab trip. Just thinking about some great nights by the camp fire sounds awesome.
I can sleep in the Tahoe at rest stops traveling out and back, to decrease the days on the road, and lower the cost. Shower at a truck stop for $5 when I need one.
I'll need a new tow rig by 2010. Diesel?
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Doug, you are right. No hotels, no yellowstone. Sleep in the rig. I want every dime I have goin to gas and food. Now you also need to take into consideration breakin somethin. Maybe an extra cash flow set aside incase? But all my $ is goin to gas and food. Pull over at a rest station, catch a few zzzz's and get goin again!
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Doug, F650 and a 3 car goose neck ;D
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Just a thought. You can rent a modified Rubicon in Moab for 175.00 / day. That way if you break something it is on them.. I have seen these in person and they look really good. I flew out there 2 years in a row . the 1st year cost 218.00 round trip. The 2nd year was 10.00 round drip... Skymiles..ha ha ha . I flew into Salt Lake City and rented a car for 150.00 to drive the 4 hrs to Moab.
It is just a thought..
Here is a link to the jeep rentals.. They have a package for the Safari.
http://cliffhangerjeeprental.com/rubicons.html
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All the Moab trails info, by trail:
http://www.centralpt.com/pageview.aspx?id=16364 (http://www.centralpt.com/pageview.aspx?id=16364)
New Moab trail ratings:
1- County dirt road maintained for high clearance 2WD and 4WD use in adverse conditions.
2- County dirt road with infrequent or light maintenance after rain or snow, 2WD high clearance with low gears, otherwise light duty 4WD.
3- Road with frequent use, but seldom maintained. Dirt, sand and slick rock surfaces, with mud holes possible (note: maybe impassable when wet due to soil composition.). 4WD recommended under most circumstances due to ruts or wash erosion.
4- Road surface consisting of loose rock, dirt, and sand with some slickrock surfaces. Erosion, washes, gulches and rock steps no higher than 12". 4WD is recommended with good ground clearance and driving skills. Aggressive tires and limited slip would be a plus. Water and mud is possible.
5- Road surfaces are rutted, rocky and sandy with steps not exceeding 14", with considerable slickrock surfaces. Water not exceeding 12" with some mud possible. Good vehicle approach and departure angles are helpful. Tall tires (33" plus) and traction added device (lockers, limited slips) is recommended. Above average driving skills are desirable.
6- Roads are difficult with considerable erosion damage repaired just enough to be passable. Water in excess of 12" is possible with mud conditions. Steps not exceeding 24". Tall tires (33" plus) with traction added devices (lockers, limited slips) are recommended. A winch would be a plus. Enhanced suspension travel and ground clearance are helpful. Excellent driving skills are recommended.
7- Trail consists of rock; sand and considerable slickrock with many steps exceeding 24". Steep inclines and declines are prevalent. Enhanced off road equipment is required including locking devices (front & rear), tall tires, maximum vehicle ground clearance, and tow hooks. A winch is desirable. Excellent driving skills are required. Vehicle mechanical or body damage is likely. Roll over possibilities exist.
8- Extreme trail similar to #7 except a bit more extreme. Excellent driving skills are required. Vehicle damage is likely. Equipment or mechanical damage is probable.
9- Extreme and beyond, similar to #8. Vehicle damage is likely. Excellent driving skills are required. Roll over is very common. Winches, spare parts and tools are recommended. Be prepared to spend the night on the trail. Beyond the capability of most modified stock vehicles.
10- Let the carnage begin! Buggy territory. Street driven 4X4’s should not attempt this trail. Modified factory vehicles will not be able to complete this trail.
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Just a thought. You can rent a modified Rubicon in Moab for 175.00 / day. That way if you break something it is on them.. I have seen these in person and they look really good. I flew out there 2 years in a row . the 1st year cost 218.00 round trip. The 2nd year was 10.00 round drip... Skymiles..ha ha ha . I flew into Salt Lake City and rented a car for 150.00 to drive the 4 hrs to Moab.
It is just a thought..
Here is a link to the jeep rentals.. They have a package for the Safari.
http://cliffhangerjeeprental.com/rubicons.html
I don't want to do any trail in somebody else's Jeep. >:(
Did you read the contract? Hahahaha It says.............
What happens if I damage a jeep?
While the Jeep is rented to you, it is basically your vehicle. You will be responsible to pay for any damage that is done to the vehicle while in your possession. We do offer a tire and glass coverage for $20.00 per day that will cover the repair/replacement of 1 tire, and any glass damage. If you take it slow and are careful there shouldn't be any problems.
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You guys are right; sleeping in the rig at rest stops can be done... Might get a little hot though in June! That’s why I figured on campgrounds paying $5 a night BUT it could be hard to find ones convenient enough for the trip or not already booked up by the time we get there at night. I also have no issues with Pop-Tarts for breakfast! The only time I plan to for sure stay hotel is the night before the Rubicon. Figure might as well get a good rested sleep and shower. The next day we will have to get food, water, ect in some town close by anyways. Megan so far plans to come on the trip which makes the sleeping in the rig a little more complicated but last night she said she didn’t know if work would give 2 weeks and she would be in grad school so its looking more and more like it will be just me.
As far as length, 2 weeks is all I can spare in June. After June I wont have a chance at 2 weeks since we start our Florida License renewals in July and thats 422 license municipalities, 6 guys to license in each one, got to be done by September… OUCH!! So far I have my eyes set on early/mid June
As far as spare parts… I am going to try and snag some stock driveshafts, make sure I got some Fix-A-Flat and a patch kit and probably get a spare CB mic because wouldn’t that suck to lose your CB on a trip like this? I really only plan on running 33’s on the Jeep so if I break a D44 on 33’s…. well I am going to set the Jeep on fire where it sits and walk away…
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Just a thought. You can rent a modified Rubicon in Moab for 175.00 / day. That way if you break something it is on them.. I have seen these in person and they look really good. I flew out there 2 years in a row . the 1st year cost 218.00 round trip. The 2nd year was 10.00 round drip... Skymiles..ha ha ha . I flew into Salt Lake City and rented a car for 150.00 to drive the 4 hrs to Moab.
It is just a thought..
Here is a link to the jeep rentals.. They have a package for the Safari.
http://cliffhangerjeeprental.com/rubicons.html
I don't want to do any trail in somebody else's Jeep. >:(
Did you read the contract? Hahahaha It says.............
What happens if I damage a jeep?
While the Jeep is rented to you, it is basically your vehicle. You will be responsible to pay for any damage that is done to the vehicle while in your possession. We do offer a tire and glass coverage for $20.00 per day that will cover the repair/replacement of 1 tire, and any glass damage. If you take it slow and are careful there shouldn't be any problems.
Sounds like we need to move to Moab and start renting Jeeps. I saw that after the post.. hahah
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This could be a good tool in our Rest Stop plan.... Can search each state by Rest Area or Weigh Station
http://www.dieselboss.com/restarea.asp
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Not a bad little rental Jeep. But shoot if I break it and have to pay for it I will drive mine!
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Ok, Now I have been on youtube watching rubicon movies all day! Jerm, you better get a lift more than 2.5"! I want to hit this little trail... looks like alot of fun!!!
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Where is that trail? I think I could do it all on 2.5" and 35's easily and not hit the body like that XJ did... that guy took some horrible lines!
I kinda want to stick with 33's due to MPG but I don't plan to buy new tires until about this time next year. The more money I spend on the Jeep, the less I have for the trip so got to watch that.
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Man, we've got to lay the camera down like that! That's awesome! Check out dem twanks from underneed.
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Man, we've got to lay the camera down like that! That's awesome! Check out dem twanks from underneed.
I can't see the video at work, but I watched a video the other day where a guy mounted a camera inside his t-case skid facing the front axle, it was pretty cool.
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Jerm, you would kill your jeep without a good lift on that trail. You is one long effer! Now Mikes Jeep on 37s would probably not even touch!
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I wont be able to run that one then! Cant spend to much money on the Jeep or I cant afford the trip, run watcha brung!
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BETTER GET A WINCH THEN!!!!!!!!!! I start charging after 2 pulls! :D
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I plan on it son! Lift, 33's (maybe 35's, who knows), winch, Expedition one front bumper, Rugged Ridge front skid, diff covers, evap canister skid and more I am sure.
Anyways,
Alright, just to add in some mileage facts here:
-From my apartment in Smyrna to Placerville, CA (nearest town for hotel and food): 2,506 miles
-From Placerville to start of the Rubicon at Went Worth Springs: roughly 53 miles (little hard to tell on map program at work where it starts)
-From end of Rubicon at Lake Tahoe to Moab is about 800 miles
-Moab to my apartment is 1,744 miles
Only problem I see with a tow rig is at the Rubicon you need to drop it off at one end or another and then have to double back to get it. Not sure how long it takes to drive around but from the point I figure as the “Start” point and the End point (which my program actually has the end of the Rubicon listed) is 75 miles, about 2 hours worth of driving due to back roads.
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Here are some video's I like... makes 35's look a little better too...
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guess this is the easier parts
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Those guys wheel without spare tires :D
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this sounds like a trip i might wanna join in on. I've been thinking about headin out there for the jeepers jamboree but i think i woulld rather head out with some of you guys. a year and a half ahead is plenty of time for me to meet some of you guys before hand also. I'll be paying my jeep off soon so I'll be able to put back atleast $200 a month for further modification and the trip...
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Well just keep an eye on the thread. I am dead serious about this trip and Ben has been ready since we started talking about it months ago.
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I'm still a definite IN. I'm a trucker, I've lived on the road for weeks before. I'll be right at home lol
I'll have another Jeep by then, either another CJ7 or a YJ. Maybe even a 5. I'm working on getting a 7 right now but doubt the deal goes through
My old CJ7 versus my XJ. CJ7 owned it
CJ7 350 w/TBI maybe 1 tons maybe not. Whatever I can get cheap
or I might just run it stock ;)
I cant wait. somebody count me in on pitching in on fuel money for a tow
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We still have alot to figure out but it will be done!
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First off, YES I am bored and YES I should be doing my paper but I got all weekend right ;D
Anyways
Here is the “route” we would take for this soon to be famous Rubicon/Moab 2 week crazyness. This is not the set in stone trip, still just 1 of the possibilites but man I like this one a lot.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&saddr=Smyrna,+GA&daddr=Placerville,+CA+to:CA-89%2FEmerald+Bay+Rd+to:40.655639,-116.411133+to:Moab,+UT+to:Smyrna,+GA&hl=en&geocode=%3B%3BFUIUUgIdtC_Y-A%3B%3B%3B&mra=dme&mrcr=1&mrsp=3&sz=7&via=2,3&dirflg=t&sll=38.771216,-115.477295&sspn=4.975713,11.601562&ie=UTF8&z=7
OK so using the website I posted earlier for Rest Area (RA) websites this is what I can figure thus far:
-First night will be somewhere around Kansas City, MO. We have RA West Bound exit 104 outside of Booneville, MO. Looks like this one is a full rest stop: 693 miles.
-Second night, looks like exit 189 is another RA in Wyoming: 913 miles.
-Third night we spend in Placerville as I plan to have a shower and bed to sleep in that night: 920 miles.
Ok so now on the way to Moab:
-Figure we leave the Rubicon Mid day so we need to split the 800 miles distance between the Rubicon and Moab. EB on I-80 outside of Wells, NV exit 354 is another rest area: 396 miles.
-Second night is in Moab: 408 miles.
Moab to Home:
-First Night we got a RA right before Junction City, KS exit 224 on I-70: 824 miles.
-Second night for those who can make a long haul home: 931 miles.
I know the miles seem nuts but either we hoof the drives or spend a whole lot more time driving and less time wheeling. Other thing is I don’t know which RA are the full service bathroom, water, food or just the “pull off and park” joints. Same to me, I can bring water/food and pee in the woods.
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I'm grouchy without a morning shower ;D
Let's pitch in and get a $50 room one road night. I'll sleep on the floor, I dont care
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I know the miles seem nuts but either we hoof the drives or spend a whole lot more time driving and less time wheeling.
Nice work Jeremy, I know it takes time to come up with this detail.
I plan to take a "spotter" to split the driving if my vehicle goes (Moab 09 or this trip), and if we have a dually/3500 with a 2 or 3 Jeep trailer, we'll split the driving between the Jeep owners, so that should help. I like getting the road miles in as quick as possible.
If we had a trailer and an open spot, do you still plan to drive yours? (I think you're the only Jeep that could drive it all)
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Great map, but I like the route through Vegas to Moab a little better. ;D {toast}
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&saddr=Smyrna,+GA&daddr=Placerville,+CA+to:CA-89%2FEmerald+Bay+Rd+to:36.244273,-115.224609+to:Moab,+UT+to:Smyrna,+GA&hl=en&geocode=%3B%3BFUIUUgIdtC_Y-A%3B%3B%3B&mra=dme&mrcr=1&mrsp=3&sz=5&via=2,3&dirflg=t&sll=39.943436,-109.907227&sspn=14.102623,45&ie=UTF8&ll=36.553775,-115.831604&spn=0.924432,1.768799&z=9 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&saddr=Smyrna,+GA&daddr=Placerville,+CA+to:CA-89%2FEmerald+Bay+Rd+to:36.244273,-115.224609+to:Moab,+UT+to:Smyrna,+GA&hl=en&geocode=%3B%3BFUIUUgIdtC_Y-A%3B%3B%3B&mra=dme&mrcr=1&mrsp=3&sz=5&via=2,3&dirflg=t&sll=39.943436,-109.907227&sspn=14.102623,45&ie=UTF8&ll=36.553775,-115.831604&spn=0.924432,1.768799&z=9)
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I know the miles seem nuts but either we hoof the drives or spend a whole lot more time driving and less time wheeling.
Nice work Jeremy, I know it takes time to come up with this detail.
I plan to take a "spotter" to split the driving if my vehicle goes (Moab 09 or this trip), and if we have a dually/3500 with a 2 or 3 Jeep trailer, we'll split the driving between the Jeep owners, so that should help. I like getting the road miles in as quick as possible.
If we had a trailer and an open spot, do you still plan to drive yours? (I think you're the only Jeep that could drive it all)
Thanks Doug, it took a little over an hour or so lastnight going back and forth between 2 maps and the website to find rest area's along the way that would work milleage wise. As far as the haul vs drive. I don't mind driving and I think my Jeep will be the most "road friendly" Jeep of all going. So if we do our Rest Area sleep plan are folks just going to sleep in the truck or get up on the trailer and sleep in their rigs?
-As far as the Vegas idea... if we go to Vegas, we got to stay in Vegas which means a night, a hotel, casino.... not saving money there.
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-As far as the Vegas idea... if we go to Vegas, we got to stay in Vegas which means a night, a hotel, casino.... not saving money there.
you forgot the strip clubs the chicken ranch,,.. oh wait yeah nevermind
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-As far as the Vegas idea... if we go to Vegas, we got to stay in Vegas which means a night, a hotel, casino.... not saving money there.
I never pay for a room in Vegas. Comp, comp, comp!! {toast}
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I'm still a definite IN. I'm a trucker...
Would you be up for towing some rigs out? If we can get 5-8 rigs on a car carrier, then the fuel costs drop dramatically...
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I'm still a definite IN. I'm a trucker...
Would you be up for towing some rigs out? If we can get 5-8 rigs on a car carrier, then the fuel costs drop dramatically...
Hey Dave, we've discussed this, and I called around. There are roadblocks, figuratively speaking. No one, at least I can find no one, that will rent a CDL truck/tractor/trailer without you already having corporate trucking insurance and a contract with them, i.e Penske, Hertz, etc. Plus, they only get a flat bed, not a car carrier. We would have to hire a trucker/car carrier, and the quote I got just to Moab was $2500 each way.
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I'm still a definite IN. I'm a trucker...
Would you be up for towing some rigs out? If we can get 5-8 rigs on a car carrier, then the fuel costs drop dramatically...
If I had a truck, yeah I would, but I'm a company driver. If someone provides a truck I can drive it
As far as renting a truck, I have a friend that owns a trucking company and I know he had to rent a truck from Ryder before when one of his trucks was down. He only has 3 trucks so just one truck down hurts him a lot. As far as him doing it on the "up and up" I'm not sure.
If we could get a truck in our budget we could possibly rent a trailer from someone else
I'm really not scared to drive there and back. not in my XJ because it has chronic death wobble ;D
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Here is a video for you Ben.
http://s290.photobucket.com/albums/ll269/brent_f70/?action=view¤t=MVI_4728_Brent.flv
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Jeremy,
Here is a link to Waggoneers Trucking whose home base is Billings MT. They have a terminal here in Bwk which is on of Georgia's ports. They also have a terminal in East Point. You might could give them a call to see how much it would cost to haul a load of jeeps out west. You could even have them haul one way to cali and then drive back through Moab on the road trip home. It would save you a lot of time. just a thought..
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Jeremy,
Here is a link to Waggoneers Trucking whose home base is Billings MT. They have a terminal here in Bwk which is on of Georgia's ports. They also have a terminal in East Point. You might could give them a call to see how much it would cost to haul a load of jeeps out west. You could even have them haul one way to cali and then drive back through Moab on the road trip home. It would save you a lot of time. just a thought..
I did get a quote. $2487 1 way for a load. But if you hire a truck, you create other costs and have to find a way to get to the jeeps, so you have air and a rental too. Maybe Clyde can pick us all up in the motor coach!
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Lots of info, so big post.
On this website, there is this map (below), and they say that Georgetown is the ceremonial trail head, but the Rubicon trail really starts at Loon Lake (where the pavement ends), so why go all the way to Georgetown? I found the shortest way to Loon Lake is through South Lake Tahoe. See new map link below, and zoom in on Loon Lake. http://www.californiajeeper.com/rubicon/review.htm#trail (http://www.californiajeeper.com/rubicon/review.htm#trail)
Here is a good document with a detailed map up to Loon Lake that leads us in and tells of the places we can stop for any last minute supplies before entering the trail head. http://www.deercrossingcamp.com/acrodocs/loon_lake_map3.pdf (http://www.deercrossingcamp.com/acrodocs/loon_lake_map3.pdf)
These Toy guys have a nice brief summary of the trails journey with pics. http://www.norcalttora.com/trails/rubicon.php (http://www.norcalttora.com/trails/rubicon.php)
This Google map takes us to the trail head at Loon Lake, and B to C is the Rubicon Trail, although I can't make the map show it, and erase the back track. The trail comes out near Homewood so that's where we can pick up the map again.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&saddr=Smyrna,+GA&daddr=Unknown+road+to:Homewood,+CA+to:Moab,+UT+to:Smyrna,+GA&hl=en&geocode=%3BFRskUwIdyi7U-A%3B%3B%3B&mra=ls&dirflg=t&sll=38.788881,-120.356255&sspn=0.119085,0.2211&ie=UTF8&ll=38.916682,-120.130005&spn=1.901848,3.537598&z=8 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&saddr=Smyrna,+GA&daddr=Unknown+road+to:Homewood,+CA+to:Moab,+UT+to:Smyrna,+GA&hl=en&geocode=%3BFRskUwIdyi7U-A%3B%3B%3B&mra=ls&dirflg=t&sll=38.788881,-120.356255&sspn=0.119085,0.2211&ie=UTF8&ll=38.916682,-120.130005&spn=1.901848,3.537598&z=8)
Location: The Rubicon Trail starts just past Loon Lake in the Sierra Nevada foothills and ends in South Lake Tahoe. On Highway 50 from Sacramento turn left on Ice House Rd. Follow the signs for Loon Lake, then go past the camping area. Go across the dam and down onto the granite slab. That's where the adventure begins. If you are going for the first time, go with someone who knows the trail. The beginning of the trail and several places in between are not marked.
Description: The Rubicon Trail is the "granddaddy of trails." Most of 18 miles of trail consists of large boulders and rocky terrain. The other parts of the trail go across huge granite slabs which have steep inclines and sharp drop offs. This trail is not for the faint at heart! It does offer some spectacular scenery if you wait long enough for the dust to settle. You can camp along the way at Spider Lake, Buck Island Lake or about 12 miles in there is the Rubicon Springs Campground. This will take a beginner about 6 to 7 hours, or a seasoned wheeler about 4-5 hours if you drive straight through to the campgrounds at Rubicon Springs. The last leg of the journey is about 6 miles (1-2 hours) to paved road.
Recommended equipment: Almost any type of 4x4 vehicle has made it through, but some are easier than others. Stock Jeeps will do the job, but expect body damage. Vehicles with a long wheel base will have a little trouble with some sharp turns. Skid plates, rocker guards, and tow hooks and straps are a must. It is highly recommended that someone in your group have a winch. The less the vehicle is equipped the more work and damage you can expect.
Exciting stuff.
(http://www.rubicontrail.com/rubiconmap.jpg)
(http://www.rubicontrail.com/rubicon-VD-map.jpg)
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Nice work. I still got to read some more of the links you posted. Here is a map I found and from what I read the last of the Historic Trail goes from Wentworth Springs Rd. Thats where I want to start from. Looks like it has a staging area as well.
http://www.rubicon4x4.com/images/rubicon_loon_ws.gif
Edit*** I mean we do have 3.5 days so we could always see both entrances ya know? Park at Loon Lake, double back down the Went Worth portion while on the trail. Either way I do plan to stay in a hotel the night before. 2 days of over 900 miles of driving... I am going to need a bed and a shower.
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Nice work. I still got to read some more of the links you posted. Here is a map I found and from what I read the last of the Historic Trail goes from Wentworth Springs Rd. Thats where I want to start from. Looks like it has a staging area as well.
http://www.rubicon4x4.com/images/rubicon_loon_ws.gif
Great find. I couldn't find that entry mapped out, but it still turns of of Hwy 50 at the same place, but takes the left fork at Wentworth Springs Road. I read some about that too at Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubicon_Trail (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubicon_Trail)
Edit: Either way we miss some trail.
Trail summary
There are entrances to the trail, either at Wentworth Springs or at the Loon Lake spillway. The Wentworth Springs entrance, at Ellis Creek, is the original entrance to the trail, and starts with an obstacle known as Devil's Postpile (not to be confused with Devil's Postpile National Monument near Mammoth). The Loon Lake route is longer, first crossing the Granite Bowl, a large open rock valley. (The Loon Lake entrance previously had an obstacle known as The Gatekeeper. It was demolished in 2005)
The Wentworth Springs entrance to the trail joins the trail from Loon Lake at Ellis Creek. After driving through the relatively mild section of Ellis Creek the Walker Hill obstacle is encountered. It includes a rocky climb followed by a notch that can either be straddled or side-hilled.
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Okay Doug and Jerm,
Check this out on Hells Revenge.
Be sure to click play...
http://www.stu-offroad.com/images/vid/tracyroll.mpg
Thank God for trees. Sometimes they can stop what you can't.
Stu has many videos of trails in Moab.. You can go to his home page and click on videos.
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Okay Doug and Jerm,
Check this out on Hells Revenge.
http://www.stu-offroad.com/images/vid/tracyroll.mpg
Stu has many videos of trails in Moab.. You can go to his home page and click on videos.
yep. Y'all take notice. Spotter says passenger, so you go driver and give it some skinny pedal. Ugh. ::)
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You got that right.
If you don't listen to the spotter you will be a squatter.
There is a guy out in Moab that will turn around and walk away if you do not pay attention to him while he is spotting. he will give you a few shots at it and then it is goodye.
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Man I would walk right up that thing ;D
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Here's a photo of my buddy doing Hell's Gate. They just got done with a 4 month tour out West, pulling their YJ behind the RV ::)
Anyways, he's gonna be at River Rock this weekend with a group from Florida so I'm gonna try to make it out there and hear all the stories. ;D
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^ Me want.
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You'll enjoy this. Rates from Wagoneers for the trip to MOAB ONLY, just me, and a truck load. WTF!
"The rate for the single unit is $1,865, and the truck load rate is $6,500. Let me know if we can assist you."
Yeah right, I don't think so. {nln}
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That is a shame. Too bad I don't own my own truck any more. I could pull them out there for you guys for the cost of fuel.
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That is a shame. Too bad I don't own my own truck any more. I could pull them out there for you guys for the cost of fuel.
Step up man! Buy the GATR truck!
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Somebody buy these for a tow setup
http://crookmotors.com/InventoryItem.dcg?inventoryId=636&cid=483&clr=true&dataModelSelection=invent%3AsearchResults%5B8%5D
http://crookmotors.com/InventoryItem.dcg?inventoryId=579&cid=483&clr=true&dataModelSelection=invent%3AsearchResults%5B6%5D
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That is a shame. Too bad I don't own my own truck any more. I could pull them out there for you guys for the cost of fuel.
Step up man! Buy the GATR truck!
You were looking for a new truck,it's not a Dodge.
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Ew, Doug, buy 'em buy 'em buy 'em!!!! ;D
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Ew, Doug, buy 'em buy 'em buy 'em!!!! ;D
LOL! I'm Jeeprupt.
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Ew, Doug, buy 'em buy 'em buy 'em!!!! ;D
LOL! I'm Jeeprupt.
You're too good if you're not. ;D
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This is an interesting read on the law enforcement up there... The first page and a half is all good but about middle of page 2 it becomes current (November posting) and not so go reports. We need to find out what laws (if any) apply to out of state rigs.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=682006
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It has taken a while to read through this thread, but I'd like to try and plan on being there for this one. My girlfriend, Lizzy, and I went out to Moab for spring-break last year and did a little mountain biking. On the last day there, we took a hummer ride on hell's revenge, and I've had the itch to take a jeep out there ever since.
It took us 3 days out, 3 nights there, 3 days back. There was a lot of "white-knuckle" driving due to windy, heavily iced roads through the Rockies. We could have done 2 days back, but hit the storm of the century coming through eastern Arkansas about an hour outside of Memphis (6 hours later we arrived in the iced over ghost town of Memphis and had to spend the night). That being said, we did make the trip in early March--BAD IDEA, but we had a great time. I think that making the drive in the warmer month of June would really be doable, and I'd like to get in on this.
Oh yea... I'll try and get some of our pics up so ya'll can drool over Moab some more. ;D
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I have locked in and confirmed this trip.
Good read by the way.
http://www.oramagazine.com/pastIssues/0307-issue/index.asp?article=3daysrubicon
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Awesome! Congrats on the green light. What is your departure date?
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That is going to be some time during the summer. The wife will be teaching by then so summer vacation. I can take of any time. I will be driving unless something changes.
I think Josh is in on this trip as well.
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I'm down for a trip out west as long as Will finds a 2 Jeep hauler!
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I wonder if we could rent or "borrow" a car hauler that carries like 8 cars????
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I wonder if we could rent or "borrow" a car hauler that carries like 8 cars????
Someone looked into that, I think it was pretty pricey. I haven't started trying to get the greel light on this trip yet. I'm afaird it would cost me about 3 weeks in the Caribbean instead of the 2 that we already do.
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I wonder if we could rent or "borrow" a car hauler that carries like 8 cars????
You can hire it only, due to licensing, insurance, etc. The quote for a car hauler to Moab and back in April was $1865 for the single, and the truck load rate is $6,500 round trip.
You still gotta get "you" there too.
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:o I have access to a single trailer now. Boss has a dual axle he has been hiding from me. Suburban pulls strong too!
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I wonder if we could rent or "borrow" a car hauler that carries like 8 cars????
You can hire it only, due to licensing, insurance, etc. The quote for a car hauler to Moab and back in April was $1865 for the single, and the truck load rate is $6,500 round trip.
You still gotta get "you" there too.
DELTA is ready when you are. I had to get that plug in there.
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Well boys... quick glance at Pirate and looks like the Rubicon might be in trouble... you guessed, it water management issues... I cant link it all to our land use section but will when I get home or someone else can do it if they have time. I don’t see much in the way of formal action yet but I just skimmed over it.
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Damn. I hope I can make it out there b4 that one is gone too. >:(
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(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c242/latenightcustom/bumpasaurus.jpg)
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I am definitely down for this trip and even though it is kind of risky driving out there to wheel I would really love to drive it, to me it's almost as much about driving across the country as it is the actual wheeling that will take place. I want to see as much as possible. ;D
With that being said i may wind up taking a couple of the bypasses on the actual trails as an extra precaution(ONLY IF NEEDED) ;)
I can't wait. {letseat}
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I can now seat 6 (4 or 5 comfortably) and haul two. Juss sayin......
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Shotgun on Jimmys Trailer :D
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I will be content riding out there with yall. I will go ahead and throw the official photgrapher for the trip out there! Now, who has a shotgun seat for me!? ;D
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if all goes well i will have room for 2 jeeps and 1 other person...haha. damn regular cab truck.
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I will be content riding out there with yall. I will go ahead and throw the official photgrapher for the trip out there! Now, who has a shotgun seat for me!? ;D
well since you can drive/wheel with a clutch I got an open seat {toast}
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If i drive the jeep out there i'll have an open seat but who knows what will happen between now and then and seeing as how everyone seems to be trailering i might have to change my mind on driving.
IS there anyone who plans on driving or am i the only one who is an idiot? ;D
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So far I plan to drive. If folks want to trailer I would rather the "less street friendly" vehicles trailer. I figure the JK is about as good as it gets on the street for the Wranglers
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I am in Jerm! Pics and some wheelin sounds great to me!! {toast}
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What day and month are we planning on this event gonna need some serious heads up so i can tell my DM that I WILL NOT WORK during this time
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somewhere between June 1st and August 31st... Not sure yet. Those were the best months per the folks on Pirate. I need to research the weather out there and get an idea of when rain is most/least likely.
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The last week of June and the first week of July might be good. Maybe we can take advantage of a having a holiday on the 4th?
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Yea, then you guys can throw me a Birthday party on the 4th o JULY!! {toast}
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Can do! Looking forward to sitting around the camp fire and having a few cold ones. I plan on camping, no hotel rooms for me! {letseat}
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Jeremy/Ben,
Maybe we should start a list of who has what for spare parts for this trip and who is willing to share them!
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Chuck, I think everybody here feels the same way I do. I will give a part to somebody who needs it no problem. I will bill you later! :D
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I have locked in and confirmed this trip. Good read by the way.
somewhere between June 1st and August 31st..
It's pretty hard to plan for it or lock it in without dates, so let's narrow it down some.
Based on the time period you have previously specified, and using the 10 days vacation and weekends, you need a 16 day spread starting on Saturday. With the trail closed 2 weeks from July 24-August 8 for the Jamboree, the Saturday departure dates are limited unless you want to participate in one of the 4 day or 3 day Jamborees. There are 2 holidays that you could take advantage of that effect 4 of the possible dates, but I would like to avoid those with July 4th in them.
Possible Departure Saturdays:
May 29 (includes Memorial Day)
June 5
June 12
June 19 (includes July 4th)
June 26 (includes July 4th)
July 3 (includes July 4th)
July 10
August 7
August 14
Who is in for this trip?
From: http://www.rubicon4x4.com/rubicon_info_main.php (http://www.rubicon4x4.com/rubicon_info_main.php)
When is the best time to ride the Rubicon Trail?
June, July, August and September are the best times to run the trail (except for the two weeks from the end of July to the first weekend of August when the trail is closed to all but Jamboree participants). There's a big chance of snow any other time; and we should not be on the trail during wet winter/spring months when damage is done to the trail. It's just best to wait until Summer and early Fall. Run the trail when you make dust.
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ME! {letseat}
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meeeeee
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i {letseat}
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i have no desire to go over holidays both due to traffic and i am using all my vacation time! So I need to be home for those holidays to get the day off! ;D
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i have no desire to go over holidays both due to traffic and i am using all my vacation time! So I need to be home for those holidays to get the day off! ;D
x2 for no holidays.
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Holidays... ballchain {no}
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I hear you! No holiday dates, so we can narrow it down some more to only 5 departure dates:
Possible Departure Saturdays:
June 5 Pick 1
June 12 Pick 2
July 10
August 7
August 14
It's early, but let's get an idea of who, how, and when, so post up a preference and if you're driving or dragging.
May 29 (includes Memorial Day)
June 19 (includes July 4th)
June 26 (includes July 4th)
July 3 (includes July 4th)
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I'm in for sure. I will more than likely be driving and I vote June 12 departure.
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Chuck, I think everybody here feels the same way I do. I will give a part to somebody who needs it no problem. I will bill you later! :D
I know and I feel the same way, I just didn't want to make assumptions for everybody if ya know what I mean...............
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any of those dates work for me...pref the earlier ones tho. i just need a couple months heads up for the official date so i can request off/vaca time. i should be dragging.
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doesn't matter to me on the Dates and i will definitley be driving unless a 2500 and a trailer magically falls in my driveway one night. :D
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After this week, I think trailering would be a good idea. ;D
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Doug will be draggin me! :D
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Alright.... First post has been updated with the important info for the trip.
ALRIGHT... here is a question though. Given we have 14 days, are we still gung ho on Rubicon AND Moab... I got really really bored this afternoon at work and came up with the following figures for a trip to Rubicon/Moab and just a Moab trip.
Moab Trip: 3,498 miles round trip, $436 in gas*, 6 days travel/4 nights on the road, 9 days wheeling
Rubicon/Moab Trip: 5,090 miles round trip, $635 in gas, 8.5 days travel/7 nights on the road, 6.5 days wheeling
And for those who hate the math, just going to Moab: saves 1,592 miles, $199 in gas, 2.5 days LESS travel, 2.5 days MORE wheeling.
So would anyone be game for just a Moab instead? Does going to just Moab make this trip a little more possible for those who were not planning the trip to begin with?
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I have been saying Moab since the beginning! :P
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Moab is fine with me!
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moab seems pretty fun...haven't been, but would it be jeeps only?
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its never just jeeps with us! Although it does seem if you plan to hit Moab you better be on minimum 33's, atleast 1 locker but sounds like you need front and rear locked for best results.
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i'm on 31's now but by then hopefully 36's or 37's and a winch :)
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its never just jeeps with us! Although it does seem if you plan to hit Moab you better be on minimum 33's, atleast 1 locker but sounds like you need front and rear locked for best results.
You can run 3, 4, 5 rated trails with 1, but you'll need both lockers to run 6's and 7's.
Here are the trail ratings:
http://www.rr4w.com/pageview.aspx?id=20715 (http://www.rr4w.com/pageview.aspx?id=20715)
http://centralpt.com/upload/329/2009Paper/7700_page44_EJSafari2009.pdf (http://centralpt.com/upload/329/2009Paper/7700_page44_EJSafari2009.pdf)
TONS of info:
http://www.rr4w.com/pageview.aspx?id=27303 (http://www.rr4w.com/pageview.aspx?id=27303)
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You can run 3, 4, 5 rated trails with 1, but you'll need both lockers to run 6's and 7's.
Here are the trail ratings:
http://www.rr4w.com/pageview.aspx?id=20715 (http://www.rr4w.com/pageview.aspx?id=20715)
http://centralpt.com/upload/329/2009Paper/7700_page44_EJSafari2009.pdf (http://centralpt.com/upload/329/2009Paper/7700_page44_EJSafari2009.pdf)
TONS of info:
http://www.rr4w.com/pageview.aspx?id=27303 (http://www.rr4w.com/pageview.aspx?id=27303)
I can run them all Doug! I will be the white JK Dumbass of the GATR ride... no line can stop me {nln}
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can't wait!!!! :) {toast}
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Haha, instead of BigJerm, he is now known as SuperJerm with the SuperJK ;D
Did we ever hear anymore about that guy?
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So the plan is to hit trails that more or less require 33s and 2 lockers? What about a locker in the rear and a LSD in the front?
I'm trying to throw together a rough budget for this to see if it's even feasible for me to try. Too bad I can't work more then 13 weeks a year.
If I do end up on the trip I'd probably leave on the 8/9th total day. Not sure if I can wing more then 5 days off like that.
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Don't waste your money on an LSD! Aussie = bet $250 you will ever spend!
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So the plan is to hit trails that more or less require 33s and 2 lockers? What about a locker in the rear and a LSD in the front?
Jimmy is right. Go for the Aussie. You'll never know it's there until you put it in 4wd. If you can swing it, get a selectable locker. Limited slip is not the same as a locker, and will not allow you to crawl the step obstacles sometimes, as only 1 on that axle is pulling until slip occurs, and by then (You're an engineer right?) all others are slipping, and it will engage the others to spin, and you never got a chance to easy does it and crawl.
As far as the trip, there is a lot of planning that has to go into it, and I'll be discussing with others (I'm certainly not in charge, but will help all I can) and making a plan. We discovered some neat stuff (more to come later) that will make our trip unique, comfortable, and memorable. A trip to Moab requires a large commitment. We'll start a new thread for the trip, after we get a plan together.
TJ, it would be great if you could go. I think you'll need 33's and lockers at minimum, and you'll get to see all the scenery, and by pass a few obstacles. We by passed a few too. :o
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So the plan is to hit trails that more or less require 33s and 2 lockers? What about a locker in the rear and a LSD in the front?
Jimmy is right. Go for the Aussie. You'll never know it's there until you put it in 4wd. If you can swing it, get a selectable locker. Limited slip is not the same as a locker, and will not allow you to crawl the step obstacles sometimes, as only 1 on that axle is pulling until slip occurs, and by then (You're an engineer right?) all others are slipping, and it will engage the others to spin, and you never got a chance to easy does it and crawl.
As far as the trip, there is a lot of planning that has to go into it, and I'll be discussing with others (I'm certainly not in charge, but will help all I can) and making a plan. We discovered some neat stuff (more to come later) that will make our trip unique, comfortable, and memorable. A trip to Moab requires a large commitment. We'll start a new thread for the trip, after we get a plan together.
TJ, it would be great if you could go. I think you'll need 33's and lockers at minimum, and you'll get to see all the scenery, and by pass a few obstacles. We by passed a few too. :o
:-X my bad, I meant Aussi. I've had multiple very long days lately so I'm not being very intelligent right now. The only problem I have with going selectable up front is the $1000 price tag when I would probably regear a year or so afterward. The $250 Aussi is a little easier to stomach for being something a little more temporary. lol, the D30 is the only part of my Jeep that I don't have a good plan for. I'm sure others have been in the 'do I put money into a D30 or wait and upgrade to a 44/60 later?' camp.
Tire plans are 35" KM2s unless something netter comes out at a better price point. The cost difference between a lift and 35s is almost nill compared to a lift and 33s for a JK so why not. 2.5" coils, with the .75" spacers, or cut fenders and no spacers. 1.25" spacers for the wheels. I love my Moabs.
Rockers (yeah I'm getting on that one of these days :P), evap skid or relocate, oil pan and trans skid, and a gas tank skid (my tank is a good gallon short right now).
What am I missing? Easier to plan when you're not missing a $500 part, lol.
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Doug is right... we still got a lot of plans to go through. Moab is awesome but sometimes I still think hitting the Rubicon would be awesome too... its just a little more driving (ok a lot more)
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Doug is right... we still got a lot of plans to go through. Moab is awesome but sometimes I still think hitting the Rubicon would be awesome too... its just a little more driving (ok a lot more)
If you all hit the Rubicon first I would just meet you out in Moab the next weekend. The extra mileage and time off would be hard to swing.
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O I understand. I have already decided I am taking the summer off from school and getting a part time job and I am going to save every penny from that. I hope to afford most of the trip and some needed mods for the Jeep. Megan is looking for a house or a ring by December soooo most of my normal savings will be going somewhere else this year.
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After watching some videos I would say just pick one or the other and lets plan on it. To do both will be time consuming and hard on the vehicles. Maybe it's just me but Rubicon looks like it would be a harder than Moab.
Of course the Rubicon may be closed before then anyway:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/savetherubicon/
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Jerm who's gas mileage are you using to calculate gas costs? ;D
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Jerm who's gas mileage are you using to calculate gas costs? ;D
Haha ummmm mine with a 32" tires. I have been using 16/21 or 16/20 with gas at $2.50 a gallon. Normally I see 22 on the highway if I am not flying.
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Jerm who's gas mileage are you using to calculate gas costs? ;D
Haha ummmm mine with a 32" tires. I have been using 16/21 or 16/20 with gas at $2.50 a gallon. Normally I see 22 on the highway if I am not flying.
Yeah I get 22 miles after 2 gallons. :D
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Jerm who's gas mileage are you using to calculate gas costs? ;D
Haha ummmm mine with a 32" tires. I have been using 16/21 or 16/20 with gas at $2.50 a gallon. Normally I see 22 on the highway if I am not flying.
Yeah I get 22 miles after 2 gallons. :D
I remember those days {hardlaugh} Who knew the JK would cost me less per year then the paid-off YJ? Mods notwithstanding.
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I'm definitely in for the trip, and one of the June dates would work best for me. I'm hoping to bring my brother out there as a senior-trip of sorts for him.
I'll probably be towing my jeep out there... well, I'll put it this way: If I'm goin', I'm towin'!
So now I guess I've got a little more than year to get the XJ moab-ready. Build plans/thread is soon to follow... ;)
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If rubicon is closed we will for sure "settle" for Moab. I will hopefully be towin. Need to find a two car hauler.