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Title: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: Anvilsam on November 09, 2016, 05:53:32 PM
I ordered 5 41.5"s. Don't know what I was thinking


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Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: kent10sne1 on November 09, 2016, 05:54:47 PM
I ordered 5 41.5"s. Don't know what I was thinking


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you where thinking, cant let Kent be same size as me so i better go bigger.  damit!.   now im back on the bottom of the foodchain!
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: Anvilsam on November 09, 2016, 07:33:16 PM
I just bought mine for future use. It's gonna be a while before I can get axles


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Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: Raisinhead on November 09, 2016, 07:39:47 PM
I just bought mine for future use. It's gonna be a while before I can get axles


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At least two more weeks, right.
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: Anvilsam on November 09, 2016, 07:48:21 PM
You know me I will never be able to wait that long


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Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: DOUG on November 09, 2016, 10:58:16 PM
You know me I will never be able to wait that long
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Why would you change anything, you've already "axled up" once and it works!
Trust me, leave it alone, if you want something badder, grab a pig, trailer, and a 4 seat trail rig with 43 stickies. You'll still have a bad ass road worthy Jeep, and be able to wheel hard with the big boys without reservations for damage.
#StopTheMadness
#ifIcouldDoItAllOverAgain-Again
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: patman on November 09, 2016, 11:04:28 PM
You know me I will never be able to wait that long
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Why would you change anything, you've already "axled up" once and it works!
Trust me, leave it alone, if you want something badder, grab a pig, trailer, and a 4 seat trail rig with 43 stickies. You'll still have a bad ass road worthy Jeep, and be able to wheel hard with the big boys without reservations for damage.
#StopTheMadness
#ifIcouldDoItAllOverAgain-Again
I agree. Save those tires for a dedicated trail rig. Or sell them if you won't need them

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Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: clark123456 on November 10, 2016, 02:54:54 AM
You know me I will never be able to wait that long
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Why would you change anything, you've already "axled up" once and it works!
Trust me, leave it alone, if you want something badder, grab a pig, trailer, and a 4 seat trail rig with 43 stickies. You'll still have a bad ass road worthy Jeep, and be able to wheel hard with the big boys without reservations for damage.
#StopTheMadness
#ifIcouldDoItAllOverAgain-Again
I agree. Save those tires for a dedicated trail rig. Or sell them if you won't need them

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I disagree...go bigger...period.
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: DOUG on November 10, 2016, 04:20:51 AM


I disagree...go bigger.with a buggy and leave that JK like I wish I had one to drive to perimeter mall every day..period.

FIFY

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Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: Anvilsam on November 10, 2016, 07:13:10 AM
Doug are you saying you regret the axles and should've stayed on 37s?


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Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: Anvilsam on November 10, 2016, 09:04:30 AM
Ok so now that im at my desk i can type a little more. I already have a truck and trailer so were good there. Also i have already looked into getting a dedicated trail rig and as i stated before im to spoiled by  my nice jeep and dont want to  spend a bunch of money on somebody else's junk that i just have to fix. That being said this has always been the way i was going to go the deal on the tires just sped that up a little. My plan is to not make this a trail only rig but still keep it something i can drive every day if i want to. I really don't think thats to hard to accomplish. If the jeep gets to the point where i don't wanna drive it on the street anymore then i will find a nice used 4 door and do a mild lift and tires and wheels on it so i can have something to drive.
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: DOUG on November 10, 2016, 09:45:37 AM
Doug are you saying you regret the axles and should've stayed on 37s?
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Well, here is a little history lol.  I've owned about 20+ Jeeps since 1978. 
I built the first one and then bought, enjoyed, and sold for profit the rest until I started crawling on rocks, and then I spent my life savings on them
2000 TJ on 44/8.8 on 35's
2008 JKUR on RockJocks/40s
2009 JKUR on Tons/40s

I wish i had my stock pristine JKUR in the garage on 35s and a 2.5" lift, a MUCH better road car, and a tow pig and trailer with a tough trail rig that I don't need to be concerned with body damage, and has a cage to take the lean scrapes rather than pretty sheet metal, and doesn't weigh 6000#s.  I could have a VERY CAPABLE trail rig and a LOT OF $$ in the bank and be happier with my ability to hit the trails.

This sums it up IMHO from doing it wrong a few times... If you want to wheel bad ass, really bad ass, you need less body and weight than a JKU, tires and lift big enough that you don't want to drive it in the wind to KY, suspension that might not love the highway, approach and departure angles that are very custom, and lightweight simple everything. 

Everything you do from here to your JK to wheel bigger stuff will make it heavier, more susceptible to damage that will accumulate over time, less on comfy long road trips, and more of a single purpose vehicle.  Mine needs more horsepower bad since I have the 3.8 so maybe yours would drive fine on the road with 40s. 

If you are going to buy more axles, put them under a comp cut TJ or LJ with some 42 PB's or 43 stickies and go do it all.

Jared undid his JKU, and didn't share what it cost but it had to be some coin to undo the  build and body damage, returned it to new, sold parts, and built the ideal LJ trail rig, however his is much prettier than I would have... i just want to get up stuff, all stuff, everywhere.

Without the WORRY. Like Danny going thru The Lions Den.  Like that. Boss.
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: Mortalis5509 on November 10, 2016, 09:47:11 AM
If you wheel it will get screwed up. Didn't mean to hit that tree or scratch that. Got some on my green Jeep. I wouldn't want to mess up a nice expensive Jeep

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Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: Anvilsam on November 10, 2016, 10:12:05 AM
Lets not turn this into a should sam or shouldn't sam do tons and 42's. Its gonna happen and its gonna be badass.
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: tjsahara00 on November 10, 2016, 10:37:13 AM
Ok.....this is a good topic and I tried
splitting it to keep a good discussion going.
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: 8lugLJ on November 10, 2016, 10:43:46 AM
Lets not turn this into a should sam or shouldn't sam do tons and 42's. Its gonna happen and its gonna be badass.

awesome. f u guys, ima build that shit because its mine.  //LMAO// way to go Sam, thats AMERICA.  //SLAMIN//
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: Krawler00 on November 10, 2016, 10:45:39 AM
I just wish I had some extra coin like you guys do. I mean hell of a deal but this guy... this guy is broke.

Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: kent10sne1 on November 10, 2016, 10:49:13 AM
I just wish I had some extra coin like you guys do. I mean hell of a deal but this guy... this guy is broke.



This was just too good for me to pass up.  50% on tires that are normally 400+   such a cost savings on something im going to do soon anyway..

I actually got my wife mad, as we had some extra credit on a card, that i can put on a 12 month same as cash.  she is spending most of the funds upgrading our house to sell..  we want to move to the North GA mountains.. area..  nxt year...  sooooo ..    i did it then asked for forgivness.   so im dealing with the stitches and scratches of that.   thats whats making the beedlocks so hard, i dont have much emergency cash saved.. . so ..  i may have to get a few now and a few later? depends on Allsouth payment plan works out. . ;)
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: kvom on November 10, 2016, 10:58:58 AM
Doug's post is spot on.  Should not only have written it a year or so ago, but then followed his own advice.
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: Anvilsam on November 10, 2016, 11:04:38 AM
Doug's post is spot on.  Should not only have written it a year or so ago, but then followed his own advice.

thats hilarious but raises a good question. Doug, if thats the advice you give then why do you continue to build up jeeps vs doing a trail only rig?
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: Danny Kinder on November 10, 2016, 11:26:54 AM
Build it how you want. Get the axles and put the bigger tires on. You have a badass truck as a dd and you can drive the jeep on nicer days. You're a grown ass man treat yo' self
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: Raisinhead on November 10, 2016, 11:27:36 AM
Build it how you want. Get the axles and put the bigger tires on. You have a badass truck as a dd and you can drive the jeep on nicer days. You're a grown ass man treat yo' self

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Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: Krawler00 on November 10, 2016, 12:17:38 PM
Kent, I don't do credit. I pay cash or wait till I have it all saved up. Dad taught me if you don't have the money, you don't buy it. But I sure wish I did! I get a bonus each year at xmas and that would have been a set of 37s...

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Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: tcdawg on November 10, 2016, 12:24:16 PM
Build it how you want. Get the axles and put the bigger tires on. You have a badass truck as a dd and you can drive the jeep on nicer days. You're a grown ass man treat yo' self

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Grab that Jeep by the pussy Sam.

^^ just locker room talk, so it's all ok
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: DOUG on November 10, 2016, 12:32:15 PM
Doug's post is spot on.  Should not only have written it a year or so ago, but then followed his own advice.

thats hilarious but raises a good question. Doug, if thats the advice you give then why do you continue to build up jeeps vs doing a trail only rig?

Sam you know I'm not telling you how to build your rig, you asked, and I gave you my opinion based on my experience and feelings.  Long term I know I want a lighter rig for my Moab and SE wheeling, but am not sure how im going to get there.  Will probably downsize tires on the JK and drive it a lot more. I wish I had the JK rubi axles still under it and on 35s but it is no longer a pristine vehicle.

The answer to why I keep building Jeeps if I feel that way is that I just recently came to this conclusion... I thought I could have both, 
but having a nice JK keeps me from wheeling,
I hate trashing it and cleaning it, repeat..., risk of crushing it....
and I shall not do it again. 

Might pull the axles, put into a LJ, and put a set of Jk axles back under it, but that would cost some coin too.
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: tjsahara00 on November 10, 2016, 12:53:01 PM
You know sometimes it's a snow ball effect
I intended to just do the AW4 swap then
a deal on dana 44 axles compared to my
Dana 30 and yes I said Super 35. Then well
if I do this for down the road...well if you do
that you might as well do this.......

Wished some one would have slapped me
and said....wait buy a decent buggy off hardline
for almost what your fixing to spend dumbass.

Don't get me wrong I love my Jeep and all the
quality parts on it that I really don't have to
worry about near as much....but in the end
I have a nice stretched TJ on 44's (chromoly
axles shafts) that probably never handle any
thing bigger than 37's.

I am happy with it and think I can do some
pretty good stuff with it....but it's never enough
Yes I've had criticism before and will again but
some people are hard headed. Problem is to many
think if I could just buy bolt on ready shit...... yea right

And yes sometimes I think it would be nice just
to have nice clean Jeep just to do the leaf looking

Oh wait snap out of it!!!
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: kent10sne1 on November 10, 2016, 01:03:58 PM
Kent, I don't do credit. I pay cash or wait till I have it all saved up. Dad taught me if you don't have the money, you don't buy it. But I sure wish I did! I get a bonus each year at xmas and that would have been a set of 37s...

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totally understand.  I prob. should not have but i had planed on looking in jan/feb replacing my tires/wheels  and this just bumped that process up some.   
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: Anvilsam on November 10, 2016, 01:05:36 PM
Doug's post is spot on.  Should not only have written it a year or so ago, but then followed his own advice.

thats hilarious but raises a good question. Doug, if thats the advice you give then why do you continue to build up jeeps vs doing a trail only rig?

Sam you know I'm not telling you how to build your rig, you asked, and I gave you my opinion based on my experience and feelings.  Long term I know I want a lighter rig for my Moab and SE wheeling, but am not sure how im going to get there.  Will probably downsize tires on the JK and drive it a lot more. I wish I had the JK rubi axles still under it and on 35s but it is no longer a pristine vehicle.

The answer to why I keep building Jeeps if I feel that way is that I just recently came to this conclusion... I thought I could have both, 
but having a nice JK keeps me from wheeling,
I hate trashing it and cleaning it, repeat..., risk of crushing it....
and I shall not do it again. 

Might pull the axles, put into a LJ, and put a set of Jk axles back under it, but that would cost some coin too.

Lets just trade axles???
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: kvom on November 10, 2016, 02:58:55 PM
Build it how you want. Get the axles and put the bigger tires on. You have a badass truck as a dd and you can drive the jeep on nicer days. You're a grown ass man treat yo' self

It all comes down to money.  If you can afford to do it there's no argument.  Tim Cameron builds a new buggy every time you blink and no one is dissing him for doing so.
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: Anvilsam on November 10, 2016, 03:06:19 PM
So basically I'm the Tim Cameron of gatr. Thanks a lot guys. Not only new member of the year but also the most like tc award


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Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: jd30005 on November 10, 2016, 04:31:49 PM
You know sometimes it's a snow ball effect
I intended to just do the AW4 swap then
a deal on dana 44 axles compared to my
Dana 30 and yes I said Super 35. Then well
if I do this for down the road...well if you do
that you might as well do this.......

Wished some one would have slapped me
and said....wait buy a decent buggy off hardline
for almost what your fixing to spend dumbass.

Don't get me wrong I love my Jeep and all the
quality parts on it that I really don't have to
worry about near as much....but in the end
I have a nice stretched TJ on 44's (chromoly
axles shafts) that probably never handle any
thing bigger than 37's.

I am happy with it and think I can do some
pretty good stuff with it....but it's never enough
Yes I've had criticism before and will again but
some people are hard headed. Problem is to many
think if I could just buy bolt on ready shit...... yea right

And yes sometimes I think it would be nice just
to have nice clean Jeep just to do the leaf looking

Oh wait snap out of it!!!


So much of this and the other posts resonates with me.  I have learned alot over the last 3 years and have spent lots of money (like most of us) to get the TJ where it is today.  The problem is this damn club and the members.  Going on rides and seeing some of the obstacles people tackle made me want to be able to do that too and that's how I ended up where I am today.  Don't get me wrong, I love my stretched TJ and I know it's more capable than my willingness to try most obstacles.  However, I do wish I was armed with what I know today and I would have made some different decisions - but isn't that the case with everything in life. 

BUT...it does make me better informed for any future builds.  This forum and the members have been a great learning resource.  I look forward to Dec (my next wheeling trip).
Title: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: Raisinhead on November 10, 2016, 05:29:28 PM
The problem is this damn club and the members.  Going on rides and seeing some of the obstacles people tackle made me want to be able to do that too and that's how I ended up where I am today.  Don't get me wrong, I love my stretched TJ and I know it's more capable than my willingness to try most obstacles.  However, I do wish I was armed with what I know today and I would have made some different decisions - but isn't that the case with everything in life. 

BUT...it does make me better informed for any future builds.  This forum and the members have been a great learning resource.  I look forward to Dec (my next wheeling trip).


Absolutely!

I don't regret what I've done because I've learned a ton along the way. This was my first jeep and has introduced me to rock crawling.  Also, I love having the jeep on nice days to work or around town with the kids. I don't have storage (or a wife that tolerant) for jeep, tow rig, and buggy.
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: Mortalis5509 on November 10, 2016, 05:37:58 PM
I just hate to see you mess up a nice Jeep when you get bigger tires and go into bigger areas.

One of the reason I sold my stickies on my tj. I'll think a little more about where I go but still doesn't stop me from putting it on the floor...lol.

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Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: DOUG on November 10, 2016, 06:06:46 PM
Dougy Downer lol just being honest about my mistakes, so maybe others won't follow.

John, I want to hear what yours would look like.

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Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: tcdawg on November 10, 2016, 06:19:19 PM
Dougy Downer lol just being honest about my mistakes, so maybe others won't follow.

John, I want to hear what yours would look like.

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I'll bet John's  would look like it does now...but he would have skipped the middle step w the pro rocks...just a guess
Title: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: jd30005 on November 10, 2016, 06:44:20 PM
Dougy Downer lol just being honest about my mistakes, so maybe others won't follow.

John, I want to hear what yours would look like.

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I'll bet John's  would look like it does now...but he would have skipped the middle step w the pro rocks...just a guess
Tony nailed it. At that time I should have just ordered ProRock 60's (full float rear) and been done with it.

For me, I will never do JY axles again.  I'll just buy new axles equipped how I want them.   I think alot of it has to do with my OCD and meticulous nature.
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: kent10sne1 on November 11, 2016, 06:05:48 AM
So, I have a question for anyone that ordered, Wed. using the code to get 50%.   after I ordered, i got an email with my order# and the correct price, showing the discount code.   this morning checking my order on the site, it shows the full price.  ?   are you guys seeing the same thing.  I am guessing its a glitch cause i have an email showing the correct price (50% off), but on their site, it shows a much larger $$  :(    just making sure i dont need to panic.

I am also going to order 4 of those Beadlocks from @Danny Kinder  this am.  and once my tires come in, have them installed.  I may do the spare my self once i get that one.. but I think I will take Don's and a few others advice.  its worth it to let the Allsouth team and the knowledge of it being done right with them.  ;)   
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: tjsahara00 on November 11, 2016, 06:14:03 AM
click on view/change order to see it kent
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: Big Dave on November 11, 2016, 07:23:35 AM
What Kevin said.  Kent, I saw the same thing & kinda panicked. Went to change/review & saw the correct amount.
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: lt99ls1 on November 11, 2016, 08:09:40 AM
For me, I will never do JY axles again.  I'll just buy new axles equipped how I want them.   I think alot of it has to do with my OCD and meticulous nature.
Remind me,
Which JY axles you have?
What you did or had done to them?
Who did the work on them?
What you don't like about them?
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: jd30005 on November 11, 2016, 08:35:16 AM
For me, I will never do JY axles again.  I'll just buy new axles equipped how I want them.   I think alot of it has to do with my OCD and meticulous nature.
Remind me,
Which JY axles you have?
What you did or had done to them?
Who did the work on them?
What you don't like about them?

I should qualify this with the fact that I am very happy with the axles now and how they are performing but I wish I had done things differently.  Namely, single source.  I should have just worked with Allsouth and not had 2 different parties involved.  Unfortunately, I don't have the skills to do it myself so I have to rely on someone else.  Here are some highlights of my saga.

I got a Dana 60 front and Dana 70 rear.  I sourced them through Hudlow.  He sent me pics of the axles and then we spoke on the phone a few times.  I made a trip to his shop (2 hrs one way) looked at the physical axles and then we discussed a plan and cost and made a deal.  A few weeks later I went and picked them up and then dropped them at Allsouth for them to put under the Jeep.  The deal with Hudlow was that he would install all of the gears.  All was well.  I did my break in and gear oil change and then wheeled it on a couple trips and brought it back to Allsouth to torque check everything and change the gear lube and check the R&P.  The rear end R&P had a problem (larger than normal chunks of metal in the oil) and when pulled apart it appeared that surface on the drivers side where the race, bearing, cap sits was hosed.  To Allsouth it appeared that this was probably how it was when I got it.  So, on the phone with Steve Hudlow and I had Allsouth pull the rear end and I trailered to Hudlow (4 hr roundtrip).  Hudlow checked the entire housing and concluded that the tubes were not true and since he didn't install the rear truss, he pointed the finger at Allsouth.  Long story short, Hudlow ended up straightening out the rear end and then I had another 4 hr roundtrip to get the rear end.  I also had to buy a new R&P (fortunately the ARB locker was fine).  As a way to apologize for the hassle, Hudlow did surprise me by making a set of chromo rear 35 spline axle shafts.  All in all, lots of hassle but all is good in the end.  Although I will say that one of the things I was emphatic with Hudlow about is that I wanted everything changed and replaced with new (bearings / seals) and earlier this year I had a mystery sound in the front drivers side axle and Allsouth discovered the wheel bearing was junk.  I had both fronts replaced.  I have been running these axles for less than 2 years and I find it hard to believe the wheel bearings would have worn that fast, so I suspect they were never changed.

As noted, lesson learned for me is to single source this stuff.

Larry - this is probably not a problem you would ever have since you have the know how to do most/all of this yourself.   
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: lt99ls1 on November 11, 2016, 09:14:49 AM

I should qualify this with the fact that I am very happy with the axles now and how they are performing but I wish I had done things differently.  Namely, single source.  I should have just worked with Allsouth and not had 2 different parties involved.  Unfortunately, I don't have the skills to do it myself so I have to rely on someone else.  Here are some highlights of my saga.

I got a Dana 60 front and Dana 70 rear.  I sourced them through Hudlow.  He sent me pics of the axles and then we spoke on the phone a few times.  I made a trip to his shop (2 hrs one way) looked at the physical axles and then we discussed a plan and cost and made a deal.  A few weeks later I went and picked them up and then dropped them at Allsouth for them to put under the Jeep.  The deal with Hudlow was that he would install all of the gears.  All was well.  I did my break in and gear oil change and then wheeled it on a couple trips and brought it back to Allsouth to torque check everything and change the gear lube and check the R&P.  The rear end R&P had a problem (larger than normal chunks of metal in the oil) and when pulled apart it appeared that surface on the drivers side where the race, bearing, cap sits was hosed.  To Allsouth it appeared that this was probably how it was when I got it.  So, on the phone with Steve Hudlow and I had Allsouth pull the rear end and I trailered to Hudlow (4 hr roundtrip).  Hudlow checked the entire housing and concluded that the tubes were not true and since he didn't install the rear truss, he pointed the finger at Allsouth.  Long story short, Hudlow ended up straightening out the rear end and then I had another 4 hr roundtrip to get the rear end.  I also had to buy a new R&P (fortunately the ARB locker was fine).  As a way to apologize for the hassle, Hudlow did surprise me by making a set of chromo rear 35 spline axle shafts.  All in all, lots of hassle but all is good in the end.  Although I will say that one of the things I was emphatic with Hudlow about is that I wanted everything changed and replaced with new (bearings / seals) and earlier this year I had a mystery sound in the front drivers side axle and Allsouth discovered the wheel bearing was junk.  I had both fronts replaced.  I have been running these axles for less than 2 years and I find it hard to believe the wheel bearings would have worn that fast, so I suspect they were never changed.

As noted, lesson learned for me is to single source this stuff.

Larry - this is probably not a problem you would ever have since you have the know how to do most/all of this yourself.   

Thanks for explanation of your situation and I can see why you would do things differently. Glad to see it worked out. I have only bought a few parts from Hudlow and have never had them do any work for me. I buy stuff from Allsouth from time to time but it is 4-hour trip for me to pick up anything that can't be dropped shipped to my house. I have a machine shop friend who does any work that I can't do, Like retubing housings and crazy stuff like that.

Nothing wrong with paying a quality shop or individual to work on your ride. Even if I a big baller budget (I would have one hell of a personal shop) I would still work on my own stuff because I have grown up working on cars, trucks, and stuff and I like doing it.
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: Jeepster1407 on November 11, 2016, 09:20:56 AM
I should qualify this with the fact that I am very happy with the axles now and how they are performing but I wish I had done things differently.  Namely, single source.  I should have just worked with Allsouth and not had 2 different parties involved.  Unfortunately, I don't have the skills to do it myself so I have to rely on someone else.  Here are some highlights of my saga.

I got a Dana 60 front and Dana 70 rear.  I sourced them through Hudlow.  He sent me pics of the axles and then we spoke on the phone a few times.  I made a trip to his shop (2 hrs one way) looked at the physical axles and then we discussed a plan and cost and made a deal.  A few weeks later I went and picked them up and then dropped them at Allsouth for them to put under the Jeep.  The deal with Hudlow was that he would install all of the gears.  All was well.  I did my break in and gear oil change and then wheeled it on a couple trips and brought it back to Allsouth to torque check everything and change the gear lube and check the R&P.  The rear end R&P had a problem (larger than normal chunks of metal in the oil) and when pulled apart it appeared that surface on the drivers side where the race, bearing, cap sits was hosed.  To Allsouth it appeared that this was probably how it was when I got it.  So, on the phone with Steve Hudlow and I had Allsouth pull the rear end and I trailered to Hudlow (4 hr roundtrip).  Hudlow checked the entire housing and concluded that the tubes were not true and since he didn't install the rear truss, he pointed the finger at Allsouth.  Long story short, Hudlow ended up straightening out the rear end and then I had another 4 hr roundtrip to get the rear end.  I also had to buy a new R&P (fortunately the ARB locker was fine).  As a way to apologize for the hassle, Hudlow did surprise me by making a set of chromo rear 35 spline axle shafts.  All in all, lots of hassle but all is good in the end.  Although I will say that one of the things I was emphatic with Hudlow about is that I wanted everything changed and replaced with new (bearings / seals) and earlier this year I had a mystery sound in the front drivers side axle and Allsouth discovered the wheel bearing was junk.  I had both fronts replaced.  I have been running these axles for less than 2 years and I find it hard to believe the wheel bearings would have worn that fast, so I suspect they were never changed.

As noted, lesson learned for me is to single source this stuff.

Larry - this is probably not a problem you would ever have since you have the know how to do most/all of this yourself.   

Good info John. Do you know what your front Dana 60 was out of initially?
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: jd30005 on November 11, 2016, 10:13:20 AM
Good info John. Do you know what your front Dana 60 was out of initially?

Unfortunately no.  Hudlow didn't have it documented...  It's a ball joint D60 but earlier than the 05+
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: Mortalis5509 on November 11, 2016, 10:17:45 AM
Did the truss mess up the rear housing thus causing the ring gear to go?

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Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: jd30005 on November 11, 2016, 10:30:30 AM
Did the truss mess up the rear housing thus causing the ring gear to go?

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Hudlow claimed that the welding/heating of the tubes when the truss was installed caused the tubes to curve up to the truss which in turn caused the shafts to come in at an angle and that caused my carrier issue.  Again, finger pointing and heresay.  In the end, he used his equipment to heat the entire housing with the truss on it and straightened it and then repaired the seat for the race in the housing.  I change my gear oil in the rear after every ride and so far it's been fine.
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: bjeep on November 11, 2016, 10:49:14 AM
Did the truss mess up the rear housing thus causing the ring gear to go?

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Hudlow claimed that the welding/heating of the tubes when the truss was installed caused the tubes to curve up to the truss which in turn caused the shafts to come in at an angle and that caused my carrier issue.  Again, finger pointing and heresay.  In the end, he used his equipment to heat the entire housing with the truss on it and straightened it and then repaired the seat for the race in the housing.  I change my gear oil in the rear after every ride and so far it's been fine.

That is a common problem when trussing an axle. //SLAMIN//
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: Mortalis5509 on November 11, 2016, 10:51:34 AM
Heat can warp a house bad. Helpful to use true bars and others things to keep it from happening.

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Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: DOUG on November 11, 2016, 12:14:01 PM
John, are you on 8x6.5?
No idea what a 60/70 came out of?

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Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: 8lugLJ on November 11, 2016, 12:14:37 PM
Heat can warp a house bad. Helpful to use true bars and others things to keep it from happening.

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or take your time and do it like your on salary instead of by the minute, yall say common, but ive never seen it, not saying it doesnt ever happen tho.
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: jd30005 on November 11, 2016, 12:15:21 PM
John, are you on 8x6.5?
No idea what a 60/70 came out of?

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8X6.5
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: Mortalis5509 on November 11, 2016, 12:17:35 PM
Heat can warp a house bad. Helpful to use true bars and others things to keep it from happening.

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or take your time and do it like your on salary instead of by the minute, yall say common, but ive never seen it, not saying it doesnt ever happen tho.
My housings have a lot of weld and are fabricated. That was a concern.

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Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: bjeep on November 11, 2016, 12:47:14 PM
Heat can warp a house bad. Helpful to use true bars and others things to keep it from happening.

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or take your time and do it like your on salary instead of by the minute, yall say common, but ive never seen it, not saying it doesnt ever happen tho.

Oh it happens. I have seen some so bad that a full float axle will not go in the carrier.
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: tjsahara00 on November 11, 2016, 01:16:03 PM
John, are you on 8x6.5?
No idea what a 60/70 came out of?

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8X6.5

Wasn't it 99 when they went to 8 x 170
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: 94xjsport94 on November 13, 2016, 04:56:13 PM
John, are you on 8x6.5?
No idea what a 60/70 came out of?

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8X6.5

Wasn't it 99 when they went to 8 x 170

Yes. They can be redrilled to 8x6.5 since those wheels are typically more common.
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: 94xjsport94 on November 13, 2016, 09:44:53 PM
I've done 2 sets and my jig has done a few more. Haven't heard any negative feed back on doing so. Where are these reviews?

Grubb runs adapters so he can run his 43's and his rig is 97" wide.

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Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: tjsahara00 on November 14, 2016, 11:56:32 AM
just got this email....

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Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: kent10sne1 on November 14, 2016, 12:06:55 PM
Got the same email.  :(  I dont mind waiting.  .   :) 
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: tjsahara00 on November 14, 2016, 12:48:04 PM
Well that is 2 to 4 months before they
begin to ship most orders....

At least my is for a spare but was
thinking my 1 wouldn't take that long....
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: Mortalis5509 on November 15, 2016, 05:08:50 PM
Spoke to pitbull and group 4x4 today.

They have 1800 or orders that were placed. They don't keep anywhere near that stock on hand.

To be honest it could be months before we see some orders and they will go by the time that you places them. I order the AT tires for my truck. I'm close to needing some tires but not yet.

The owner thought he would only see 50 or so orders because of it, but that wasn't even close to the case. Just wanted to give everyone a heads up for those wondering.
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: tjsahara00 on November 15, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
Say's I ordered mine at 10:16AM PST.     We shall see.....
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: clark123456 on November 15, 2016, 05:44:10 PM
I wonder if he'll split the order fulfillment between those paying closer to retail versus the special discount orders...or FIFO.
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: Anvilsam on November 16, 2016, 09:17:55 AM
well guys i chickened out and cancelled my order (pitbull was like heck yea) After talking with don i decided a 42" tire was just not worth it. I will probably end up with a lame 40" tire now. @cru9 @Raisinhead @tcdawg let the hell giving begin.
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: DOUG on November 16, 2016, 09:29:36 AM
well guys i chickened out and cancelled my order (pitbull was like heck yea) After talking with don i decided a 42" tire was just not worth it. I will probably end up with a lame 40" tire now. @cru9 @Raisinhead @tcdawg let the hell giving begin.
oh my Lord
Should have gotten them, easy sell

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Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: Anvilsam on November 16, 2016, 09:33:10 AM
well guys i chickened out and cancelled my order (pitbull was like heck yea) After talking with don i decided a 42" tire was just not worth it. I will probably end up with a lame 40" tire now. @cru9 @Raisinhead @tcdawg let the hell giving begin.
oh my Lord
Should have gotten them, easy sell

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Not worth my time honestly to break even or even make a little money on them


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Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: kent10sne1 on November 16, 2016, 09:48:05 AM
Well i had planned on doing this nxt year around march anyway..  so, its a win for me.   I think 40's are fine, not lame.  tell the haters to pi$$ off.  ;)
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: BigMike on November 16, 2016, 12:49:33 PM
Doug's post is spot on.  Should not only have written it a year or so ago, but then followed his own advice.

thats hilarious but raises a good question. Doug, if thats the advice you give then why do you continue to build up jeeps vs doing a trail only rig?

Sam you know I'm not telling you how to build your rig, you asked, and I gave you my opinion based on my experience and feelings.  Long term I know I want a lighter rig for my Moab and SE wheeling, but am not sure how im going to get there.  Will probably downsize tires on the JK and drive it a lot more. I wish I had the JK rubi axles still under it and on 35s but it is no longer a pristine vehicle.

The answer to why I keep building Jeeps if I feel that way is that I just recently came to this conclusion... I thought I could have both, 
but having a nice JK keeps me from wheeling,
I hate trashing it and cleaning it, repeat..., risk of crushing it....
and I shall not do it again. 

Might pull the axles, put into a LJ, and put a set of Jk axles back under it, but that would cost some coin too.

Lets just trade axles???

Shit just got real.

I see that Sam cancelled his order though.  Probably a smart idea.

I've said it before, I have just as much fun out there on the medium/hard trails as you guys do bouncing off rocks and flopping.  I cringe every time that my rig slams down on rocks.  My main concern like DOUG mentioned is keeping the body unscathed.  I wasn't successful doing that at GATRFest but it's nothing that the Metal Cloak Overline body armor system won't fix.  I still want to keep my JKR completely streetable. 
Title: Re: Ordered Pitbull Tires / thoughts on building a off road rig
Post by: patman on November 16, 2016, 02:01:28 PM
I've said it before, I have just as much fun out there on the medium/hard trails as you guys do bouncing off rocks and flopping.

I thought I did too, until I did it lol