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OPEN RIDES & EVENTS => Trail Rides & Open Events (Everyone's invited) => Topic started by: BigPrince on January 05, 2016, 11:21:27 AM
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I arrive Thursday night,
spend Friday with the vendors and raffle,
fly home Saturday AM.
The EJS paper is always full of great info and all of the local businesses to visit.
Do you have a room @BigPrince ? Very limited availability and prices are high on what's left over. I cancelled mine for the week when I found out I had to go to China, so I'm stopping by on the way home.
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Booked 2 rooms at the Fairfield Thu-Sun.
Great. Each of you should sign up for a trail on Friday so you each get a raffle ticket for Friday night. No fun watching the raffle without a ticket.
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This is gonna be a fun trip! Can't wait and I hope we get on a good trail one of the days.
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Are you going to actually ride with ejs? There will be about 50 rigs unless it is a hard trail. There are always groups on the open trails but there are few open trails thurs fri sat. The vendor rides are mon tues wed and they work the show thur fri.
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Servers are crashing, none has registered
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Easy to say for those taking time off for SHOT today. Some of us have work to do!! :-)
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Finally got registered. Only took 4hrs. Had nothing else to do on the plane I suppose. Read up on hi9/10s, watch DIY network, and keep hitting refresh on rr4w.com.
I was talking to Scott about axles and determined that if I had Don Prince money I would do hi9s, front and rear and get a spare third member for the long trip (Moab) quick repair.
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Lol - I kept reading about how hi9s wouldn't hold up to JKU weight and too many broken pinions on pirate.
Were these web wheelers, or actual stories?
There is a white paper on the internet that discusses why 9s are good for go fast cars, but not good for off-road vehicles. I'll dig for it since I mentioned it.
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Even Currie won't run the 9s in their off road jk's.
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Lol - I kept reading about how hi9s wouldn't hold up to JKU weight and too many broken pinions on pirate.
Were these web wheelers, or actual stories?
There is a white paper on the internet that discusses why 9s are good for go fast cars, but not good for off-road vehicles. I'll dig for it since I mentioned it.
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I dont understand that. How would it be ok for go fast but not for wheeling? The amount of stress seen in a go fast events can be equivalent to years of wheeling.
Hi 10's are rear close to the price of mega hi 9's but not close to the strength.
Further more, who is setting up these 9's that jk are breaking. If the set up is not correct it will break stuff as well as bent housings. If the housing was not properly reinforced and flexes too much, it will also cause gears to go.
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First link from Google. Not a JkU but close to the same weight.
Think you forgot to hit paste?
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Lol - I kept reading about how hi9s wouldn't hold up to JKU weight and too many broken pinions on pirate.
Were these web wheelers, or actual stories?
There is a white paper on the internet that discusses why 9s are good for go fast cars, but not good for off-road vehicles. I'll dig for it since I mentioned it.
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I dont understand that. How would it be ok for go fast but not for wheeling? The amount of stress seen in a go fast events can be equivalent to years of wheeling.
Ya...I figured you would want more info...and I have searched and searched to find it and I am coming up empty. I recall it being in depth, but all I keep finding are anecdotal discussion. The closest one I can find, that is in the general rationale of the paper I read is here: http://www.savagesun4x4.com/enter/tech-specs-discussions-down/viewpoints-technical_discus/dana60_vs_ford_9_jeep_tj.html (http://www.savagesun4x4.com/enter/tech-specs-discussions-down/viewpoints-technical_discus/dana60_vs_ford_9_jeep_tj.html)
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Don and I are set for Pritchett's on Friday and Metal Masher on Saturday!
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Lol - I kept reading about how hi9s wouldn't hold up to JKU weight and too many broken pinions on pirate.
Were these web wheelers, or actual stories?
There is a white paper on the internet that discusses why 9s are good for go fast cars, but not good for off-road vehicles. I'll dig for it since I mentioned it.
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I dont understand that. How would it be ok for go fast but not for wheeling? The amount of stress seen in a go fast events can be equivalent to years of wheeling.
Ya...I figured you would want more info...and I have searched and searched to find it and I am coming up empty. I recall it being in depth, but all I keep finding are anecdotal discussion. The closest one I can find, that is in the general rationale of the paper I read is here: http://www.savagesun4x4.com/enter/tech-specs-discussions-down/viewpoints-technical_discus/dana60_vs_ford_9_jeep_tj.html (http://www.savagesun4x4.com/enter/tech-specs-discussions-down/viewpoints-technical_discus/dana60_vs_ford_9_jeep_tj.html)
He admits the 9 is stronger and retarded points.
https://www.google.com/search?q=broken+pinion+hi9+pirate&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS638US639&oq=broken+pinion+hi9+pirate&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60.2425j0j9&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-US (https://www.google.com/search?q=broken+pinion+hi9+pirate&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS638US639&oq=broken+pinion+hi9+pirate&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60.2425j0j9&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-US)
A lot of those issues where fixed with load bolts. Look up alltech motorsports load bolt fix and they also you a bronze spacer in there. The 9/10 in design is superior.
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Lol - I kept reading about how hi9s wouldn't hold up to JKU weight and too many broken pinions on pirate.
Were these web wheelers, or actual stories?
There is a white paper on the internet that discusses why 9s are good for go fast cars, but not good for off-road vehicles. I'll dig for it since I mentioned it.
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I dont understand that. How would it be ok for go fast but not for wheeling? The amount of stress seen in a go fast events can be equivalent to years of wheeling.
Ya...I figured you would want more info...and I have searched and searched to find it and I am coming up empty. I recall it being in depth, but all I keep finding are anecdotal discussion. The closest one I can find, that is in the general rationale of the paper I read is here: http://www.savagesun4x4.com/enter/tech-specs-discussions-down/viewpoints-technical_discus/dana60_vs_ford_9_jeep_tj.html (http://www.savagesun4x4.com/enter/tech-specs-discussions-down/viewpoints-technical_discus/dana60_vs_ford_9_jeep_tj.html)
He admits the 9 is stronger and retarded points.
https://www.google.com/search?q=broken+pinion+hi9+pirate&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS638US639&oq=broken+pinion+hi9+pirate&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60.2425j0j9&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-US (https://www.google.com/search?q=broken+pinion+hi9+pirate&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS638US639&oq=broken+pinion+hi9+pirate&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60.2425j0j9&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-US)
A lot of those issues where fixed with load bolts. Look up alltech motorsports load bolt fix and they also you a bronze spacer in there. The 9/10 in design is superior.
Get a set of Torq 14 bolts and call it a day...
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Lol - I kept reading about how hi9s wouldn't hold up to JKU weight and too many broken pinions on pirate.
Were these web wheelers, or actual stories?
There is a white paper on the internet that discusses why 9s are good for go fast cars, but not good for off-road vehicles. I'll dig for it since I mentioned it.
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I dont understand that. How would it be ok for go fast but not for wheeling? The amount of stress seen in a go fast events can be equivalent to years of wheeling.
Ya...I figured you would want more info...and I have searched and searched to find it and I am coming up empty. I recall it being in depth, but all I keep finding are anecdotal discussion. The closest one I can find, that is in the general rationale of the paper I read is here: http://www.savagesun4x4.com/enter/tech-specs-discussions-down/viewpoints-technical_discus/dana60_vs_ford_9_jeep_tj.html (http://www.savagesun4x4.com/enter/tech-specs-discussions-down/viewpoints-technical_discus/dana60_vs_ford_9_jeep_tj.html)
He admits the 9 is stronger and retarded points.
https://www.google.com/search?q=broken+pinion+hi9+pirate&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS638US639&oq=broken+pinion+hi9+pirate&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60.2425j0j9&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-US (https://www.google.com/search?q=broken+pinion+hi9+pirate&rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS638US639&oq=broken+pinion+hi9+pirate&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60.2425j0j9&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8&hl=en-US)
A lot of those issues where fixed with load bolts. Look up alltech motorsports load bolt fix and they also you a bronze spacer in there. The 9/10 in design is superior.
Get a set of Torq 14 bolts and call it a day...
What's the tooth contact? Is it normal 2 teeth? What's the weight of the drop out vs 9/10?
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Sometimes you have to go.....
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Get a set of Torq 14 bolts and call it a day...
For 18k......
It's only money...
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And back on topic - any thoughts on Metal Masher? Don't think we did that one last year.
Yeah, I've run it a few times, it's a fun trail, a few nice obstacles, not Pritchett's but none of them are. Don't forget BFE!
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BFE FTW!
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Hmm good call on BFE.
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Hmm good call on BFE.
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Tear Britney Spears up...
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BFE is not part of EJS, and is open but sometimes has Sponsor events, and could be closed certain days that week. I haven't looked for a schedule, but I bet its not out yet. Lots of groups ride out there that week. Jeep usually has a day out there.
I wish you had a 4 door and a back seat for Friday. //OLDSKOOL//
Not sure who the lead or gunners are on Pritchetts Friday, I lost my list but I'll get another.
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Hmm good call on BFE.
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Tear Britney Spears up...
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Less of a dream of mine now than it was 15 years ago.
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BFE is not part of EJS, and is open but sometimes has Sponsor events, and could be closed certain days that week. I haven't looked for a schedule, but I bet its not out yet. Lots of groups ride out there that week. Jeep usually has a day out there.
I wish you had a 4 door and a back seat for Friday. //OLDSKOOL//
Not sure who the lead or gunners are on Pritchetts Friday, I lost my list but I'll get another.
Not sure I'd want to ask the JK 3.8 to get you, Don and me up any big hills!
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I'm betting that rock slide doesn't affect the May trip but might cause us delays on this trip...
Yep...
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Moab, here we come. Oh, crap...
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^^dang. How much did y'all get ?
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^^dang. How much did y'all get ?
Still snowing... maybe a few inches but calling for 6+. As long as Don gets here I think we'll make it out tomorrow.
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Well that sucks
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Yep, it got worse as the morning went on. Wind is crazy. I got out a little while ago and it wasn't terrible...
Don's flight is officially cancelled... looking like our EJS plans are toast!
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You need to come if you can, you won't regret it and you might win a set of stickys Friday night.
If you're with me it's a guarantee to win something cause I sure as hell won't and everyone with me always does
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Video from my front porch
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I-70 is closed from Denver to Breckenridge. Tomorrow is clear on the forecast so it's possible things will be open again.
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@Doug - when/where are you flying into?
Salt lake city
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Strange day here. Blizzard conditions all day. Foot of snow. And by dinner time we have a beautiful sunset... Fingers crossed that we make EJS work after all!
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Eta to Moab?
I'm departing Seattle now. $600 to take the next flight, uh not.
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6 hours +/-
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Line up for Pritchett's
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Going to be a nice day there it seems. Keep the pics coming for us sitting behind a desk still //:'(//
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Remember if you jump it up "Chewy" you will make it the first time //LMAO//
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Eta to Moab?
I'm departing Seattle now. $600 to take the next flight, uh not.
Pocket change for D Money
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Nice!
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Jealous!
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Next year!
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Pictures
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Metal Masher widow maker
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Raffle
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Gotta say, wasn't a big fan of the raffle. 300k worth of stuff up for grabs but doing the numbers you still have about a .1 percent chance of winning and lord knows I don't want a YJ trackbar. The arena is dirt floor so all the people in there + 20 kids running all over cause it to become a dust cloud. Felt like I could barely breathe. Not having a place to sit for 3hrs also made it suck. Honestly, we may be spoiled by having a friendship with some of the best guides out here (Jeff was great again yesterday). I honestly would recommend folks come out on our annual trip and skip EJS. JC and I are on metal masher today(sitting at overlook) and our trail leaders are glorified maps. Gives you someone to follow but not providing any guidance at all about the obstacles, no spotting, nothing but "keep it moving". I would like to hit this when we come back. Cliffhanger feel without all the cliffs a foot away so far.
I'm in for Metal Masher, we didn't run it last time
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Agree on Metal Masher. Fun trail, some good ledge climbs and fun smaller obstacles to keep it engaging. Great views from the top and a little bit of that Cliffhanger feel.
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^^^
Do you pass the Gooney Bird when going to Metal Masher?
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@jc79
@BigPrince
Anyone try climbing rockpile when you guys ran Pritchett? Or try straight up rocker knocker?
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Do you pass the Gooney Bird when going to Metal Masher?
Yep
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Anyone try climbing rockpile when you guys ran Pritchett? Or try straight up rocker knocker?
We had a pretty built group of 14 plus 3 guides. And only one rig put tires on Rockpile. Everybody basically walked up Son of Rockpile.
Nobody tried straight up Rocker Knocker either.
We all just wanted to enjoy the day and get out without incident. Aside from a full size Dodge breaking a stub shaft on RK, we ran the whole trail without any breaks in about 6 hours.
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Top of Chewy
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Rocker Knocker
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That trail always makes for great pictures.
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@jc79
@BigPrince
Anyone try climbing rockpile when you guys ran Pritchett? Or try straight up rocker knocker?
We had a pretty built group of 14 plus 3 guides.
From the line up pic you posted it looked like a pretty built group. Just curious if you had any crazies that were willing to try it.
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Jeff said the dodge was a dakota
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Looked bigger than that to me and Don.
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Maybe he has the same issue I'm having where the front gets really light. I'm having the limit strap put in when the new axle goes in, but I did read in the ORI manual that increasing the lower section's pressure will help reduce that effect.
His locker seemed to react strangely, too.
Did he have a 4speed Atlas? It seemed like a lot of revving without much movement.
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Our local friend Jeff Stevens showing how Chewy is done. He had a young lady from the BLM with him. She seemed positive about our sport and seemed to have a lot of fun.
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Oh, I thought you were supposed to break a yoke, or get winched, at that spot...so you're telling me it is supposed to be doable without doing those...I'll approach it differently this year :)
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Sweet trails guys!! Dying to get out there!!
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Nice videos Don.
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Sweet videos Don. What's the count down Jay?
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That 2 door JK looks like it would have been better on stock suspension, or even leaf springs for that matter.
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Sweet videos Don. What's the count down Jay?
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20160527T14&p0=4781&msg=Moab+-+GATR&font=slab&csz=1&swk=1
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I'll get more up later, on the way back to Denver to catch my flight to ATL. Trying to upload while on the road is going so-so.
Here's a video of a poorly setup JK 2dr on ORIs. You could tell he spent some money but it just didn't come together. ORIs seemed like they were improperly valved, something seemed whacky with his geometry, he ended up breaking his rear antirock link, it was a shit show. We had to strap or winch him on every obstacle. He does a tail stand and bounces off his rear spare in this video. On yellow hill he went up on the 2 driver side tires and almost flipped sideways down the hill.
http://youtu.be/RsgjxJA8Vb4 (http://youtu.be/RsgjxJA8Vb4)
I'll post more as they upload
Looks like anti-squat #'s are off, ORI rear lower pressures are too low, and his wheel base is too short.
But he is there and I'm on my couch, so he still beats me.
Great pics/videos!!! Thanks for posting!
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Steve, I agree that being strapped all day in Pritchett's beats web wheeling. But in this guy's case it was closer than it should have been!
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One question is whether he knew it in advance.
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I'll get more up later, on the way back to Denver to catch my flight to ATL. Trying to upload while on the road is going so-so.
Here's a video of a poorly setup JK 2dr on ORIs. You could tell he spent some money but it just didn't come together. ORIs seemed like they were improperly valved, something seemed whacky with his geometry, he ended up breaking his rear antirock link, it was a shit show. We had to strap or winch him on every obstacle. He does a tail stand and bounces off his rear spare in this video. On yellow hill he went up on the 2 driver side tires and almost flipped sideways down the hill.
http://youtu.be/RsgjxJA8Vb4 (http://youtu.be/RsgjxJA8Vb4)
I'll post more as they upload
Looks like his front is not locked also.......
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Bill has been doing a lot of research and talking to the guys
at ORI about perfect set up. He has been fine tuning mine
ever since Harlan. Each rig is different as mentioned so wheel
base and so many other component's factor in so it takes time.
Made a slight adjustment at Golden Mtn and seems like he's
about got them dialed in.
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http://www.fourwheeler.com/moab-experience/2016/1603-2010-jeep-jk-the-roadster-moab-ejs-2016/ (http://www.fourwheeler.com/moab-experience/2016/1603-2010-jeep-jk-the-roadster-moab-ejs-2016/)
This JK-ish jeep would have been cool to see out at EJS this year. I dig the setup. I always liked Chris Durham's previous blue TJ/pickup from the Ultimate Adventure.
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Damn, that 14 bolt is really shaved down...nice.