Georgia Trail Riders Forum
MEMBERS DISCUSSION AREA => General Discussion => Topic started by: Chris Hyde on May 18, 2008, 05:10:15 PM
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How many have pondered selling out with all the wheeling places that are closing down or getting shut down? I am seriously considering getting back into street cars and drag racing.
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My grandpa always said winners never quit and quitters never win :P But, I do miss the rumble of a cammin' foxbody. I'll probably start on the Mustang project seriously after I get out of school and get my own house. Any motorsport is going to have its opponents. I'm sure most of the naysayers probably drove Yugos in highschool, got laughed at, and are trying to get even now.
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There's no winning when your sport is getting hacked by the greenies and your hands are tied. If Aetna gets closed, the closest place worth wheeling will be Tellico, which is 2.5 hours away and I don't imagine it will stay open more than another year or 2 max.
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Greenies seem to be going after drag racing just as much, well, if you have a street driven track car atleast. They are all morons anyway; saw a car the other day with a bumper sticker that said "Damn the politicians, don't dam the rivers" and another that said "Save our lakes". I wanted to tell him how lakes are made, lol.
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I have always been more in to road coarse racing (SCCA) however I took my son (13yrs old) to Pinks All Out last Saturday and watching those cars go down the strip was awesome! I have watched Pinks for years on TV and always thought it was cool but you don't get the full experience until you are at the strip!!! There was a bad ass Dodge Ram Diesel w/ propane injection that made the crowd stand everytime it pulled up to the line.
Back to the topic: I have not been able to do ANY off road this year due to family (new baby and family illness) but I hope to be able to make it to Tellico the end of June just in case it does get closed down. It is sad to see all the places I used to be able to go off road being closed, gated or posted. It is because of the idiots that go out there and trash it that make the rest of us look bad. I hope we as a group can get together more to go out and help clean up areas to show the "greenies" that we do care about the earth too but we want to be able to enjoy it in our own way.
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I hope we as a group can get together more to go out and help clean up areas to show the "greenies" that we do care about the earth too but we want to be able to enjoy it in our own way.
X 2!!
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I'm goin down with the ship. No way am I givin up my favorite thing and one I have spent so much time and $ on. There will always be somewhere to wheel.
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There will always be somewhere to wheel.
Aetna is public land. Tellico is a national (or state?) park. But you still have those places that are private like River Rock and Morris Mountain. But I'm sure that those will start getting more expensive as they have to keep up with enviromental regulations.
But I just don't know what I would do if I had to get out of the 4x4 scene. Insurance would be too much for me. Maybe tractor pulls?
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I'm goin down with the ship. No way am I givin up my favorite thing and one I have spent so much time and $ on. There will always be somewhere to wheel.
I like my Jeep. Too much I guess. But I'm with Ben. Nobody's taking this thing from me. There will always be somewhere to wheel. I'll crawl parking lot curbs if I have to ;)
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There will always be somewhere to wheel.
Aetna is public land. Tellico is a national (or state?) park. But you still have those places that are private like River Rock and Morris Mountain. But I'm sure that those will start getting more expensive as they have to keep up with enviromental regulations.
But I just don't know what I would do if I had to get out of the 4x4 scene. Insurance would be too much for me. Maybe tractor pulls?
I definitely feel the insurance thing. 80 in a 35 will do that ;D
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I definitely feel the insurance thing. 80 in a 35 will do that ;D
Your 21st birthday will help insurance a lot. Counting down the days to 25 now......
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I definitely feel the insurance thing. 80 in a 35 will do that ;D
Your 21st birthday will help insurance a lot. Counting down the days to 25 now......
Oh believe me, I got that ticket when I was 16 and I'll be more excited about my insurance when I turn 21, than being able to buy alcohol. Well.... maybe ;D
:D
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dont flame, but in the end, when all the legal places close down, the ones "left" will have to "illegally wheel". honestly, if we lose all the legal places i will be a renagade wheeler. i skated for years and i been riding bmx bikes on trails and street for the last 15 years. im all for keeping a good image for the offroad community. when there is nowhere else to go i wont give up. ive been a part of building world class bmx trails on the east coast and it is almost always illegal, when you live your life doing what you love without regrets, thats just the way it is. aetna wont close down. get on the lease. im gonna. anybody wanna buy some land. ssshhhh, keep it like a secret! stirring up the conversation. ask yourself a question, will YOU really stop offroading?
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Ok Chris... you got me. I have actually thought the same way some lately. Only thing that holds me back right now is if I trade as is I lose my ass on the Jeep and I am not much of one to roll a negative into a new loan. BUT it does suck to feel like I can’t go anywhere. Not sure bout yall but gas is $3.75 a gallon here and I am getting somewhere around 11.5 mpg mixed driving, around 15 mpg straight highway driving 70 at best the OD on. Most of the places we go take me half a tank to get there, half back, a little on the trail. Factor in park fees, food, camping fees and that’s one costly trip!
More than likely ill keep the Jeep for now. I got 25k on the clock but it will slow down a lot now living 3 miles from work vs 25 and no more 130 mile one way trips to Columbus. When it is time to replace the tires I might take it back to 32" for many factors and just ride it out and let the amount I owe catch up with trade value. Not sure what I would get, I love the Jeep so I dont know if I could go back to a car. I might would go for a Truck. Yeah mpg still would suck but depending on what truck it is better than the current... only time will tell on the decision of keeping or trading.
As far as the Parks go, not sure about River Rock but Morris Mountain gets a lot of heat for their park due to run off and that creek that goes through part of it. It will only get worse when (not if) Aetna and Tellico get shut down. Every time I get on 4x4 forums there is a new post "we need your help...." because another system of trails or park are ready to be closed. No matter the support given, the end result is always the same.
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When i give up my Jeep for something else it will be that I am told old to drive it. Moving back to the mainland I have been looking at buying a house with some land attached to it. The thing is that most of the places I have looked at at above $250,000 and I only wish I had that kinda money,. But as long as God makes it rain and there are Fed/State parks I will wheel. Now if someone wants to give me the other $80,000 I will buy the house next to the lake that has like 60acres on it and turn 50 of it into a offroad park. so any takers on that 80K?
Mike
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I believe the future of this sport is in the private parks. New ones are opening while the public lands are closing. All of the public ones are too far away from me anyway. At least for the type of wheeling I can do with the Jeep I have.
The only thing that has made it hard for me lately is the price of gas and the fact that my kids aren't as into it and I always have to find someone to watch them if my wife has to work. My little one really opened up on the last trip I took her on though, and has been bugging me ever since to go again. So I'm looking forward to Wheelin for Warriors this weekend.
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I believe we are witnessing the end of wheeling as we have known it. Soon there will just be memories and stories to tell. I agree with Ballzy. I think the future of the sport is in the private parks. I think that is a shame though, and we should try to live it up while we still can. I doubt there will ever be a private park to match the likes of Tellico. I got into Jeeping late but I am glad I got to expereince it before the greenies have it all but exterminated.
I wonder how long the Rubicon and Moab have left? I would like to wheel there before they get shut down.
I think about selling my jeep sometimes... like every time I go to the gas pump. My WS6 and my Corvette got better than 20MPG pretty easily. Been thinking about an e36 M3.
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Wheeling is going to be a private land issue. No more public places like Tellico left that are not feeling the Fire. I am all for saving mother earth and all but it has alot to do with the morons and unappreciative necks that trash places. Tellico is that way. Just look at all the crap thrown or lost overboard that is along the trails. Makes me angry! Unfortunitely I will probably never make it up slick rock since it is closed now and probably forever. All that will be left is youtube videos and stories. I will not stop wheelin though. I ride the MTB to work and save for the rides when I can. Looking forward to Tellico in June!
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you know I have given this a lot of thought. I probably would not trade the Jeep. If it got bad enough to where I could only go once every few months then I would change the Jeep up some. I would go with probably 32 or 33 A/T tires, lose the stinger, finally get the Aussie in the front and get a hard top.
Figure ill see a little better mpg with the smaller tires and the hard top will be nice to have for the more daily use the Jeep gets. I love this off road thing to much now. I use to be all into imports but not like this. I dont think I could go back
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Guys, I feel ya, but rather than harp on the bad possibilities, let's get involved as a group and use our combined efforts/resources to make a difference. Let's put our time and money where our interests are and protect what we can. I sure don't want to wish I had done more later when it's too late.
When is the next "Clean up Tellico" or "Save Tellico" that we can participate in, or the next "GA Trail Riders Fund Raiser" to help the cause of protecting the trails at Tellico and the likes?
What are the other groups doing? Pirate, Jeep Forum, SFWDA, Southern Jeeps, United Four Wheel Drive Associations? Does anyone in our group keep up with what's going on, and keep the thread up to date? Who should we partner with that is already active in the right ways?
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I'm in, Doug. I'd rather do something and lose than cry about it and lose. First, we need t-shirts. ;D
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I'm in, Doug. I'd rather do something and lose than cry about it and lose. First, we need t-shirts. ;D
x3
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the man to talk to for clean up is TellicoRob
As far as the forums:
Pirate: Tellico online rally was it and you can talk with Rob for clean up dates
SFWDA: Supported Tellico rally and you can talk with Rob for clean up dates
Southern Jeeps: Supported rally
UFWDA: Supported the rally
I am sure there are things going on behind closed doors but a lot of events are at a stand still right now. Not sure if that is a bad sign of things to come. I mean the Tellico Rally couldn’t even break a 1000 post and it was on every major and most minor forums on the East coast and a lot out west... Kinda hard to fight the fight when a few are fighting the rest dont give a shit and keep doing the same stupid crap driving off trails and trashing the parks.
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I'm interested to find and know more about efforts like these below by the UFWDA. I see that they did work in TN and NC recently, but none in GA. We have to have lawyers and lobbyist (like our opposition does) and the only we can afford those is cumulatively. We all need to support one group that can fight for us legislatively and judicially. I'm sure the fight is on, and maybe we can jump in a little too!
http://www.ufwda.org/landuse.htm (http://www.ufwda.org/landuse.htm)
Legislative Advocate / Land Use
Your Membership Dollars at Work Through Your Attorney – Carla Boucher
United retains the services of a full time attorney, Carla Boucher. Carla represents United on the Board of Directors of The Action Program which provides financial grants for land access issues in addition to providing legal advice to member associations and clubs on land use issues impacting recreation access. You can contact Carla at LegisAdvoc@UFWDA.ORG.
HIGHLIGHTS OF UNITED’S LEADERSHIP ROLE ON SIGNIFICANT NATIONAL ISSUES
States in which your United attorney worked on specific issues in 2005. Effecting all 50 states were 12 issues of national significance addressed by your United attorney on your behalf.
Adopt-a-Road Project: Created project including standardized agreement form with US Forest Service (USFS), listing of all USFS districts in US, project formation kit, press kit. Goal is to adopt 1 road in every district in every national forest and accumulate 100,000 volunteer hours nationally each year. Secondary goal is to adopt as many roads as possible to ensure inclusion into OHV route designation.
BLM Route Designation Project: Worked with 9 other organizations by drafting one of five pillar documents for submission to Kathleen Clarke for the Bureau of Land Management Director’s National Recreation Forum.
Compiled Recreation Statutes by State: Compiled recreation statutes in hard copy form and electronically saved information for each state. This is a catalogue of statutes pertaining to liability of land owners when property used for recreation.
Recreation Trails Program (RTP) funding letters and alert: The RTP program is a federally funded state managed grant program for recreation. The federal program was voted upon for reauthorization by Congress in May and June of 2005. The Senate version maintained the prior 5-year funding levels while the House version increased the funding. Wrote letter to House and Senate Committee members urging them to reconcile the two bills using the House-version of funding. Also created alert and form letter for membership requesting their Senators push for House funding level.
The Wilderness Society (TWS) BLM Project: This in an on-going response to the BLM regarding route inventory and designation in response to a position paper created by TWS regarding OHV use on BLM-managed lands. My goal is to be the principal author of a similar paper from recreation organizations and to gain full support of our request from all national recreation groups. US Legislation: Provided House Resources committee with alternative language to proposed Fee Program legislation. The final legislation included some of our recommendations.
US Forest Service OHV Route designation rulemaking: This rulemaking, not yet finalized as of July 2005, proposes to create a process by which all districts or forests will designate an OHV route system. Once the system is designated no use off of forest service roads and trails will be allowed. Each designation system will also evaluate whether to allow cross-country travel in certain areas. This is the single-largest OHV rule to affect our sport in the last century.
HIGHLIGHTS OF UNITED’S LEADERSHIP ROLE ON SIGNIFICANT STATE ISSUES
* Submitted written comments to the Coconino National Forest pertaining to its notice of intent to prepare an Outfitter-Guide Management Plan for the Red Rock Ranger District in Arizona.
* Fought bumper height legislation introduced to prohibit any vehicle suspension alterations above manufacturer’s standards.
* Wrote legal opinion letter for member association concerning effect of state recreation statute on private land owners opening land for 4x4 use and obtained a favorable opinion letter by state attorney general regarding same.
* Fighting closures to OHV use in park unit by participating and seeking leadership role in National Park Service’s Negotiated Rulemaking.
* Advised multiple member clubs about their specific Special Use Requirements for club rides on both state and federally managed lands.
* Advised numerous clubs on process for incorporation and liability protection for club officers.
* Advised several member clubs about sufficiency of liability waivers for 4x4 events.
* Advised member association on writing Freedom of Information Request for public information pertaining to US Forest Service closures to overturn such closures or prepare for future litigation.
* Provided legal advice and formal comments pertaining to numerous forest plan revisions to protect 4x4 access, preserve record on appeal, and maintain standing to sue in federal court.
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Well as they say, put your money where your mouth is so I've joined the UFWDA.
I'm not sure what is the next step to help keep our lands available, but one thing is clear is that we really do need to organize. I remember making a post on another board about the need to organize and really fight the enviro-weenies. I was shocked and rather disillusioned that my response was met by the complacent attitude that we need to work with them.
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On a related note, I don't hear too much about the Southern 4WD Association. How does it compare? Are they fighting the good fight?
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I am hanging in there.
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I am hanging in there.
I'LL BE THERE WITH YA LARRY ! PLUS I GUESS I'LL BE DRAG RACING SOON TOO . i've wheeled legal , and illegal , it's all the same . all wheelin will be illegal .....just a matter of time !
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Well as they say, put your money where your mouth is so I've joined the UFWDA.
I'm not sure what is the next step to help keep our lands available, but one thing is clear is that we really do need to organize. I remember making a post on another board about the need to organize and really fight the enviro-weenies. I was shocked and rather disillusioned that my response was met by the complacent attitude that we need to work with them.
would that be JK-forum? I do remember you posting that but it seemed like no one really cared much.
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Unfortunitely everyone is just complacent and it will take a closure of a Tellico type place to get any REAL attention and people giving $ and time for this cause. Just wait... it will happen.
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would that be JK-forum? I do remember you posting that but it seemed like no one really cared much.
Yup that's the place. Damn left coast. I don't know why I was as surprised as I was.
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If all this crap does go down, then it'll just save me a bigger gas bill. I'll keep the Ranger. I've got too much time and money invested into it to think about ditching it because I can't go to Tellico ('cause I go there all the time anyways ::)) plus I don't get crappy mpg. I don't get great mpg, but I don't get 10 or 11. I'll just pay end up paying the Ranger off and get something for commuting and whatnot. Plus, I've always got my drums to fall back on as a money pit. If nothing else, I'll move to Colorado with the old lady and ride around out there. I can check out Pike's Peak up close.
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I definitely feel the insurance thing. 80 in a 35 will do that ;D
Your 21st birthday will help insurance a lot. Counting down the days to 25 now......
45 days and counting....
I wont stop wheeling til my wife makes me. :'(
Drag racing and fast cars are worse than offroading. Still cost money and everyone wants to stop you. Plus I would stil have to drive an hour to a legal place.
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I definitely feel the insurance thing. 80 in a 35 will do that ;D
Your 21st birthday will help insurance a lot. Counting down the days to 25 now......
45 days and counting....
I wont stop wheeling til my wife makes me. :'(
Drag racing and fast cars are worse than offroading. Still cost money and everyone wants to stop you. Plus I would stil have to drive an hour to a legal place.
Yeah, thankfully my Jeep hasn't gotten me into any trouble on the street yet... "knock, knock" ::)
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Chris, why not just build another fox body. They can be be built for relatively little money, and you could just hang on to the Jeep. Then you would have the best of both worlds.
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Because the whole point here is "Why own an off-road vehicle if I am 2.5 hours from the closest wheeling facility"?? I am 40 minutes from Brainerd Drag Strip.
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Because the whole point here is "Why own an off-road vehicle if I am 2.5 hours from the closest wheeling facility"?? I am 40 minutes from Brainerd Drag Strip.
Keep the jeep and get a fox body! That way you can have fun going fast and slow!!! {toast}
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Because the whole point here is "Why own an off-road vehicle if I am 2.5 hours from the closest wheeling facility"?? I am 40 minutes from Brainerd Drag Strip.
I feel ya. I actually started a post like this one on my old local car club forum and most people had the idea of taking the Jeep to stock and just driving it. My point was, if I cant take it off road, there is no point in putting up with the slow, low mpg, no security soft top (and leaky) jeep. All the negatives are well worth it when you can hit the trails more than once a month. Take away the trails and now your just someone driving a really impractical vehicle. With you at least the XJ can double as a normal SUV but if you don’t have the need for it, again, why have it?
Me, I talked to Megan about this today. I am in it till the end I guess. Trading the Jeep just doesn’t make sense for me and the tires will last at least another year with my short commute now. I won’t ever turn to illegal wheeling. At that point, I will get rid of the Jeep.
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I dont think that trails are going to go away as quickly as you might think. I will never sell the jeep. I love driving it and i love wheeling it. There will always be private parks and new ones will come along. Molly is going to cut back my trail riding until we have more money but to me it is worth it to only get to ride 4 or 5 times a year because i truly love the sport and the hobby. Once i started building stuff is when it became so much fun to me.
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Molly is going to cut back my trail riding until we have more money
I am starting to realize this moving in with Megan... :hlp
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Molly is going to cut back my trail riding until we have more money
I am starting to realize this moving in with Megan... :hlp
HA! Funny. As long as you still get to do it your fine.
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Sadly, as I have posted before, I gave up the offroading hobby a couple months ago. Between getting married, buying a house, the price of fuel, and the chance/expense of breakage I had to give it up. I now have a more practical vehicle that offers more room and better fuel economy. You could say it's more boring than the top-down Jeep but hey, I have rekindled my interest in my mountain bike and have gotten into kayaking. So I still get to have fun outdoors without the expense of fuel and breakage plus the new activities get me in shape!
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what are you in now Jon? I have given thought to a more mpg savy 4x4 like a Patriot. Ive wanted to get more into hiking and the mountain bike trails ive read about seem pretty cool. It would take awhile before I was in that kind of shape but it would be fun I think
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You guys wanna ride MTBs just let me know! I know afew good spots. One real nice place in Helen and I have a park 2 miles from my house with a 12 mile loop.
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Nice. Really it just comes down to I love the outdoors. I figure if our trails stay under attack and keep getting closed then the private parks will have so many rides going on you will have to book 3 months in advance. There are other ways to be out doors. Hiking, mountain bikes, fishing, ect. I mean I am sure eventually those will be looked upon as harmful as well but they will be last to go.
I can get a nifty bike rack to go in the receiver of the JK, not sure it will clear that 35" on the back though... Maybe a roof rack instead.
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Plenty of racks out there. I need to get one for sure. I takes up ALL the back on mine.
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well I got to get back in shape first. Need to hit the gym hard, start running then I need to get another bike. Ill spend time riding it in the apartment complex first (lots of hills) and then maybe by late fall I can attempt to real trails without suffering a heart attack
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I ride the bike atleast 3 days a week and try to do the 12 mile loop once a week. It does not take long to get back in it.
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Jerm- I ended up in an 05 GMC Canyon crew cab 2wd. It has the offroad suspension so it sits higher without the mpg hit of 4wd. I like it so far and every tank has gotten over 20 mpg! It has plenty of room for camping/boating/biking junk as well as room for the dogs. We have three!
Krawler- Where is the loop trail close to your house? Fort Yargo? I also have a spare tire mount bike rack from my Jeep if you're interested. It's a Thule Road Gear I believe and it is like brand new.
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I have been thinking about getting back in to mtn biking as well. I used to do it all the time and there are a LOT of good places to ride around N. Georgia (Chicopee woods in gainesville used to be one of my favorites).
When I had my TJ I used to have one of these bike fork mounts below attached to the roll bar with 3 heavy duty screw clamps (pipe clamps) and then the rear wheel just sat on top of the tailgate. Obviously the top has to be down but who's top is ever up in a wrangler?
(http://www.gearlink.com/mmGEAR/Images/sariaForMouCArrthum.jpg)
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Jerm- I ended up in an 05 GMC Canyon crew cab 2wd. It has the offroad suspension so it sits higher without the mpg hit of 4wd. I like it so far and every tank has gotten over 20 mpg! It has plenty of room for camping/boating/biking junk as well as room for the dogs. We have three!
Krawler- Where is the loop trail close to your house? Fort Yargo? I also have a spare tire mount bike rack from my Jeep if you're interested. It's a Thule Road Gear I believe and it is like brand new.
Yes, fort yargo. Nice trail system. No jumps or anything cool like that though. I talked to the guys who maintain and make the trails about making some ladder bridges and jumps etc. Check out this video. I want to go out west somethin fierce!!!
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I've heard Fort Yargo is an awesome place! I should almost definitely be out there either Sunday or Monday this weekend. The wife and I are going to bring our kayaks and mess around in the lake there.
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Yes, fort yargo. Nice trail system. No jumps or anything cool like that though. I talked to the guys who maintain and make the trails about making some ladder bridges and jumps etc. Check out this video. I want to go out west somethin fierce!!!
I've always wanted to get into downhill, it looks AWESOME, some of the downhill rigs cost as much as our wheeling rigs though.
I used to ride 6 or so miles almost every day, kind of stopped when I got the XJ - and gained 20 lbs. I went riding recently just to see how much it beat me, and it kicked my butt. Besides having a heart attack or 4, I went off a jump at about 20 mph and landed on a patch of pinestraw in the middle of the trail, swerved towards a tree, laid down the bike at the last second, and slid fetal position - head first - into another tree. All I have to say is: WEAR A HELMET. If that thing didn't save my life, it atleast saved me from serious injury. Anyone ever see a nice Giro helmet almost split in half?
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lets get back on topic. all I can say is there is no way that I will ditch this sport. as most of yall know I only get to ride once a blue moon but when I do it makes me glad that I have the rig I have and the money I have invested into it.
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I am starting to realize this moving in with Megan... :hlp
Sharon isn't much better, but she isn't good with money (I handle it). Therefore, her response is to get something in return for my trips. I have to let her go nuts with interior decorating, because I used all of our extra money from the last year to do my build-up.
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We can make a difference. Great reads at United Four Wheel Drive Associations Southeast page. http://www.ufwda.org/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=ac5c31baa1fd70ec554039c3f48b28ad&board=44.0 (http://www.ufwda.org/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=ac5c31baa1fd70ec554039c3f48b28ad&board=44.0)
I need to sell my co-pilot seat on a trip to Tellico, and donate the money to the cause. The public sites may be a fight, but I do believe the pendulum will swing the other way at some point, OUR way.
Even through we can build private parks and rock gardens, there is absolutely no substitute for crawlin up Tellico trails, breathing that fresh air, absorbing the heavenly scenery and peacefulness of the mountains, knowing it's one of God's favorite creations for guys like you and me. My kids will be wheelin when I'm old (er) ;D
Chris, you can take the boy out of wheelin, but you can't take wheelin out of the boy!
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Right on Doug! Nothing like a natural God made place to wheel! Tellico will probably always be my fav!
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That was the biggest draw to offroading for me. I very much prefer the public lands over private. I wish I lived out west where you can do true "destination" type wheeling. I think having an expedition rig set up would be awesome!
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Howdy Y'all.
I'm kinda in limbo till my Jeep gets fixed, but offroading is one of the few things I have left. Scuba,(which can be expensive also), was my favorite, but now is more difficult as is so many other things I use to do. Offroading I still can do independently, unless I get stuck. :D. I feel I don't want to do an activity if I'm going to need a lot of help and be a burden to others. Yes I do need help if i get stuck, but who usually doesn't? I try to have all the necessary equipment so when I need help all I need is an able body or two.
Yes the price of gas is an issue, but the cost of almost everything is going up. You just have to go less often if you can't afford it.
I enjoy getting outside,the woods, the scenery, the company. Biking is out, canoeing possible, but still a difficulty factor, like Scuba, I don't want to contend with.
There are more places opening, yes I know they are private, but it still is a place to go. I'm still looking at buying a few acres and having my own place to ride and get away. If I do y'all be invited. ;D
I hope to get the Jeep back soon and get some wheelin' in this year.
I also have plans for next year since the Jeep will be my offroad toy now.
Put the Jeep away and wait to see if things improve before you get rid of it.
Hope to see you again on the trails.
I want to thank you for being one of my first memories of my offroading experiences. {toast}
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Always good to hear from you Vince.
I want to thank you for being one of my first memories of my offroading experiences. {toast}
I hope it was a good one!
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Yep. It wasn't anything difficult, (and not legal, unkown to me & the rest, I think, at the time), but was a good start to get me more interested into going to other places and doing more difficult stuff.
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I spend $950 a year on dish
I spend $900 a year for a phone and internet
It cost me about $700 a year to keep tags and Ins on my tow pig,TJ and trailor.
$700 a year + gas, food and hanging out with a great group of folks is well worth it for me.
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Ive parked my Bronco and the hauler <F250 SD> until gas/fuel prices are back to a more sane amount. I refuse to pay those greedy bastids a penny more than I absolutely HAVE to.
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not all is to be lost I'm sure...
http://www.sfwda.org/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=ce5d5318b0b29c93ed1c3c80292bab3a&topic=100.msg518#new (http://www.sfwda.org/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=ce5d5318b0b29c93ed1c3c80292bab3a&topic=100.msg518#new)
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United Four Wheel Drive Associations (UFWDA), will file suit against the U.S. Forest
Service to restore access to improperly closed off-highway recreation trails located in the
Upper Tellico Off-highway Vehicle (OHV) Area in North Carolina.
On December 18, 2007, the agency issued a closure order which UFWDA, BRC, and
Southern contend is based on outdated and incomplete science. The law suit will seek
to declare unlawful and set aside the closure order.
“Our organizations value their relationship with the Forest Service, however
management by closure does not address the issues we need to be surmounting
through collaborative and creative efforts,” observed Jay Bird, of Southern Four Wheel
Drive Associations. “There is no defensible scientific correlation between OHV use and
water quality, erosion, and sedimentation issues in this area, and our organizations have
long demonstrated their dedication to the environment and support of trout populations
in the area through user education, route maintenance and improvement. Active and
effective management of motorized recreation, not prohibition, is the only good answer
for protecting water quality and species habitat at the Upper Tellico OHV area,” Bird
concluded.
Further information about the plaintiff organizations, including information about
developments in this action and others, can be found as indicated below.
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The BlueRibbon Coalition is a national recreation group that champions responsible use
of public and private lands, and encourages individual environmental stewardship. It
represents over 10,000 individual members and 1,200 organization and business
members, for a combined total of over 600,000 recreationists nationwide. 1-800-258-
3742. www.sharetrails.org
United Four Wheel Drive Associations is an international organization comprised of four
wheel drive enthusiasts, clubs, associations, and businesses dedicated to providing
community services around the world, education in responsible land use and safe
vehicle operation, and protection of our natural resources through conservation
practices. 1-800-448-3932. www.ufwda.org
United Four Wheel Drive Associations
www.ufwda.org
P.O. Box 15696
Chesapeake, VA 23328
(757) 546-7969
BlueRibbon Coalition
www.sharetrails.org
4555 Burley Drive, Suite A
Pocatello, ID 93202-1921
(208) 237-1008
Southern Four Wheel Drive Association
www.sfwda.org
1483 N. Mt. Juliet Road
PMB #222
Mt. Juliet, TN 37122
Southern Four Wheel Drive Association (SFWDA) was founded in 1987 to promote
responsible land use and to keep public lands accessible for motorized recreation. Since
the formation of Southern Four Wheel Drive Association, the focus and mission is to
promote responsible land use and to help keep public lands open for motorized
recreation. For more information on the activities and accomplishments of Southern
Four Wheel Drive Association, please visit www.sfwda.org or contact us at 1483 N. Mt.
Juliet Road, PMB # 222, Mt. Juliet, TN 37122
My kids love wheeling. I love wheeling. Good stress relief, communion with nature and friends, thrills, etc...
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You said it! Perfect!
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why dont we all just get together and open our own park
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why dont we all just get together and open our own park
Deal - you buy the 500 Acres, I'll wheel. :)
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im just sayin we could at least around here i could find the land its just my credit is not great for that type of purchase. i mean it would bring in money after about a year it would help save the sport and it would be something to where we could get off our ass and help. I mean who do you think has more of an opinion to the gov. us who are going to have to pay taxes anyway or a bussiness owner who pays them alot more. i know it will cost alot but just think of the rewards. sorry if i offend anybody but we for the most part just sit around and complain and not really do anything to prevent them from doing this to us. i just want to do something to try to make them stop
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I looked in to buying land in florida...it has been done successfully a few times but I couldnt see making enough money off a park, after paying insurance, supporting my family, paying for power, construction cost, advertising, and covering the cost of a mortgage on a piece of land big enough to make it worth while....500ac x $10k per is $5mil just for the land right? My commercial mortgage on $300k of debt is about $2300 a month so you could imagine what the cost would be for $5mil....there are parks on pieces as small as 100 ac but it would have to be the absolute right terrain to make it worth while....
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I wonder if some type of lease deal could work. We'd still need someone with enough capital to make the land purchase, but then that person would lease out the land to enough people to cover the costs. The lessees would then earn shares based on their contributions over time to share in the profit. I guess it would be kind of like a co-op.
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Steve at River Rock was in construction before he got into offroading. It's not too hard to get equipment when he needs it. You gotta have somebody with connections like that if you're gonna make money out of a park. You have to cut the costs of actually maintaining the place.
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Steve's whole family is in construction or billboards. Big companies here in macon.
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i do have the equipment needed to get started
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i have read something that says we could do the lease thing and avoid the taxes and insurance
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Tatum Lead OHV Trail
Rocky Flats OHV Trail
Oakey Mountain OHV Trail "vehicles with less than 48" axle width."
Chattahoochee-Oconee
National Forests
http://www.gulchesorvpark.com/
are some of the things i have found after just 10mins of googling the net
I just found that some that I posted are in the same area.. my bad
Mike
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I did Rocky Falts this weekend and its nothing to go crazy for. Yes a nice path way in the forrest going along the ride of a mountain but not technical at all. Only reason I had it in 4wd was to get the front sway disco'd other than that I didnt need 4wd.
Most forest trails are gravel roads very will maintained except for a few like Old Bucktown Road, Amicola Mtn road, etc.