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Title: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: tjsahara00 on June 21, 2016, 04:17:27 AM
Flip, flop and roll over situations....
After my flop, Clarks flip and seeing the picture
of Jared. I want us to us to give tips and thoughts
about safety in certain situations we may encounter.



https://youtu.be/FRZ1jYMBVLI (https://youtu.be/FRZ1jYMBVLI)

This picture scares the hell out of me......
looking at that rock and if they went over on Jays side!!
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160620/751fb835bc0739b09b56445022a39352.jpg)
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: tjsahara00 on June 21, 2016, 04:42:28 AM
I flop over several years ago onto the passenger side
of my Jeep. It was a slow motion flop over on a dirt bank.
My daughter and her friend was in the jeep. We had the top
and doors off. I remember seeing the ground coming at us
and then landed. It wasn't a hard hit but it was scary. My
daughter started screaming let me out felling claustrophobic.
She and her friend was able to crawl out the back. I had never
thought about giving instructions on keeping hands or limbs
inside the Jeep. Never thought I would flip either......

So when I started over (on drivers side) at AOP in October
I tucked my hands into my harness and actually looked at
where I was going to land. Thank the Lord the rock was not
inline with my head.

I know Jason, Todd and Randy have all went over at
Gulches and I believe Kirk went over at Moab once.
Wasn't it Chocco where Chris went over into some trees?
(The tree falling on Jareds Jeep is a whole different story!)

What are some do's and don'ts or tips for these situations?


 
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: clark123456 on June 21, 2016, 06:32:41 AM
Safety for mine was the lap belt portion of the harnesses being tightened down sufficiently.  I think a factory roll bar would have survived the impact, and maybe factory seat belts would have held fine, but I know my cage and harnesses worked great.

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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: BigMike on June 21, 2016, 09:05:57 AM
Good to think about these things.  Reminds me of my ex brother in law and his business partner when one had a Ferarri 308 and the other one a 930 turbo and they started club racing.  They soon realized that in order to continue with that "sport" they needed to purchase the proper equipment.  Having lots of expendable income and living in NC, they would buy Terry Labonte's previous year NASCAR (without running gear) and build their own running gear.  They started racing in the Walter Middie <sp?> series and they knew they were in the safest cars on the road courses.

I think everyone needs to play to their own level of risk.  I don't have a cage and don't want to scar up my rig so I stay away for the big stuff.  I could stop flip or flop on any trail but the changes and risk are mitigated.  I feel comfortable that the factory cage will get me through one of those.  Maybe, maybe not. 

If you want to play with the big boys, get big boy equipment.  If I decide to do that, I'll either mod my current JKR or buy/build something that I won't have to worry about it. 
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: kvom on June 21, 2016, 10:17:09 AM
I've owned 3 Jeeps and all have had cages.  When I rolled in Moab I just had the stock seatbelt, and it was fine for a slow roll, but I put in a harness right afterwards.
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: jc79 on June 21, 2016, 11:41:31 AM
Good topic. Just good to keep it in everyone's mind.

The pic of me above isn't as bad as it looks. I think the passenger rear shock still has some travel so the tire was firmly planted. 


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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: tcdawg on June 21, 2016, 12:06:01 PM
This picture scares the hell out of me......
looking at that rock and if they went over on Jays side!!
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160620/751fb835bc0739b09b56445022a39352.jpg)

Good thread and good pic but just a comment,  I thought JC was stable through that if that is on Upper Heldorado.  I didn't have that back angle to see the tire droop but he seemed perfectly fine.


yep, Helderado.  That Boulder field after the offcamber section through the big rocks.

I was spotting/picture taking...he really was not that tippy at all, that LJ works well. 
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: cosimpson on June 21, 2016, 12:34:45 PM
When I rolled at Choocoo ( 3 rolls) I had new cage and factory seatbelts. Ridding with others is one of the best safety equipment.

Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: tjsahara00 on June 21, 2016, 12:54:58 PM
This picture scares the hell out of me......
looking at that rock and if they went over on Jays side!!
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160620/751fb835bc0739b09b56445022a39352.jpg)

Good thread and good pic but just a comment,  I thought JC was stable through that if that is on Upper Heldorado.  I didn't have that back angle to see the tire droop but he seemed perfectly fine.

I was spotting/picture taking...he really was not that tippy at all, that LJ works well. 

Glad he wasn't.....good picture for people to see how it could
happen and what might happen when you hit the ground.

It still scares me when I look at it because 2 more feet and my
head would have landed on a rock when I flopped over. Just
trying to raise awareness on the possibility's.


Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: jc79 on June 21, 2016, 01:18:29 PM
Its good to talk about this.  The more it comes up, the better chance we have to react with the right instinct (hands in, harness tight) should it happen to us.
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Krawler00 on June 21, 2016, 01:25:12 PM
Only laid mine over on the side of escalator at moab. No body damage but was completely sideways. I just reversed out. My next mod is a cage of some sort. Either bolt in or welded. I have been rolling the dicxe for far too many years now. My wheeling style is not crazy but I pick some crazy lines sometimes which leave very little room for error. If you have a wheeling rig I would go look at optic armour for windshields. Lexan won't break in a roll.
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: jd30005 on June 21, 2016, 01:26:02 PM
So building on all of the points discussed. Would it make sense to have a helmet and wear it?  If so, what type of helmet would be sufficient? 
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: tjsahara00 on June 21, 2016, 01:31:57 PM
I've thought about it for sure.....hadn't done anything yet.
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Raisinhead on June 21, 2016, 01:48:50 PM
Good topic. Just good to keep it in everyone's mind.

The pic of me above isn't as bad as it looks. I think the passenger rear shock still has some travel so the tire was firmly planted. 


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It was an extremely conservative line. I'm surprised this one was used for a potm. :)


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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Cleveland99 on June 21, 2016, 02:01:07 PM
So building on all of the points discussed. Would it make sense to have a helmet and wear it?  If so, what type of helmet would be sufficient?
Axel off road at one time made helmets not sure of any one else and they are not around anymore

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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Michigunman on June 21, 2016, 02:02:30 PM
I wanted to buy one of these but he quit making them to work on a new design.  Now the new design seems to be taking infinity

Pretty sure @Scott F. carries one, but never seen him where it  //;D//. 

http://axeloffroad.com/shop-2-2/gear/trail-helmet-matte-charcoal/ (http://axeloffroad.com/shop-2-2/gear/trail-helmet-matte-charcoal/)

I haven't really found anything else I like.
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Raisinhead on June 21, 2016, 02:21:52 PM
When the Moab Locals put on a helmet, we usually didn't even attempt it.
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: jc79 on June 21, 2016, 02:37:20 PM
Good topic. Just good to keep it in everyone's mind.

The pic of me above isn't as bad as it looks. I think the passenger rear shock still has some travel so the tire was firmly planted. 


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It was an extremely conservative line. I'm surprised this one was used for a potm. :)


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I'm just hoping the voters reward me for taking a sensible and safe line.
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Blue J on June 21, 2016, 03:07:37 PM
I have looked at Pro Tec Skate board helmets and have been taking my white water helmet with me on rides. I feel like as long as I don't have lockers I'm safe from the scary stuff. But the off camber stuff is scary anyways. I am currently looking at Cage options and possibly welding part of it myself. And using the Poison Spyder Bolt in kit.
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: jd30005 on June 21, 2016, 03:56:49 PM
When the Moab Locals put on a helmet, we usually didn't even attempt it.
Any idea the helmet brand/type the Moab locals were using?
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Cleveland99 on June 21, 2016, 04:48:04 PM
Axel off road says mid august for helmets so who knows with that company

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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Cleveland99 on June 21, 2016, 05:57:20 PM
10 4

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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Raisinhead on June 21, 2016, 06:25:06 PM
When the Moab Locals put on a helmet, we usually didn't even attempt it.
Any idea the helmet brand/type the Moab locals were using?


No idea


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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: cru9 on June 21, 2016, 07:54:58 PM
Axel helmets look just like Protec helmets that people use for biking and skate boards


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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Scott F. on June 21, 2016, 08:38:13 PM
I wanted to buy one of these but he quit making them to work on a new design.  Now the new design seems to be taking infinity

Pretty sure @Scott F. carries one, but never seen him where it  //;D//. 

http://axeloffroad.com/shop-2-2/gear/trail-helmet-matte-charcoal/ (http://axeloffroad.com/shop-2-2/gear/trail-helmet-matte-charcoal/)

I haven't really found anything else I like.

I have one of the Axel helmets, pretty sure it's the old style he first came out with.  It has a sticker inside it from whoever the manufacturer is that says something like "not for motorized use". It looks like a skateboard/freeride bike helmet from the material and construction.

 I have been carrying it and never put it on. When I get back from a ride I have often thought that I should have been wearing it.  This thread may just be the reminder I needed to put it on. I got it because I am a tall guy in a small cab, so even though my cage is padded it's likely I could hit that or another part of the cab and get hurt pretty bad. It better than nothing but its not going to protect like a Snell certified helmet.
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: clark123456 on June 21, 2016, 08:40:07 PM
I wanted to buy one of these but he quit making them to work on a new design.  Now the new design seems to be taking infinity

Pretty sure @Scott F. carries one, but never seen him where it  //;D//. 

http://axeloffroad.com/shop-2-2/gear/trail-helmet-matte-charcoal/ (http://axeloffroad.com/shop-2-2/gear/trail-helmet-matte-charcoal/)

I haven't really found anything else I like.

I have one of the Axel helmets, pretty sure it's the old style he first came out with.  It has a sticker inside it from whoever the manufacturer is that says something like "not for motorized use". It looks like a skateboard/freeride bike helmet from the material and construction.

 I have been carrying it and never put it on. When I get back from a ride I have often thought that I should have been wearing it.  This thread may just be the reminder I needed to put it on. I got it because I am a tall guy in a small cab, so even though my cage is padded it's likely I could hit that or another part of the cab and get hurt pretty bad. It better than nothing but its not going to protect like a Snell certified helmet.
Do you have race padding, or the stuff that will melt into your skin if it catches fire?

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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Scott F. on June 21, 2016, 08:43:28 PM
The front crossbar is actual race padding with a pleather cover. The sides and main hoop are melt your face off stuff.
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Scott F. on June 21, 2016, 09:21:44 PM
When talking about hand placement, don't forget to not grab around a part of the cage itself. Instead have some type of grab handle mounted on the cage or dash.  If I were to put my hand around my cage the sheetmetal roof would probably collapse down and crush my fingers between the tubing and sheetmetal.  For open top jeeps that means your fingers are going to be in between the cage and ground. 

Here is an example of a bad situation:

Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Scott F. on June 21, 2016, 09:37:10 PM
Next time I go to Moab I have told myself I will try at least once to climb rockpile and/or the waterfall at the end of Helldorado. I will for sure have a helmet on for that.

We will see though. Internet talk and on the trail are two very different things. The first trip to Moab when I made one attempt on rockpile I decided real quick to change my mind.

Gary on rockpile

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And a successful try:

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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Raisinhead on June 21, 2016, 10:07:32 PM
When talking about hand placement, don't forget to not grab around a part of the cage itself. Instead have some type of grab handle mounted on the cage or dash.  If I were to put my hand around my cage the sheetmetal roof would probably collapse down and crush my fingers between the tubing and sheetmetal.  For open top jeeps that means your fingers are going to be in between the cage and ground. 

Here is an example of a bad situation:

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Justin welded mine angled in a little just for that reason. I know it's not the choice placement during a roll, but nice adjustment to have just in case someone accidentally grabs it anyway
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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: clark123456 on June 21, 2016, 10:18:27 PM
Information I posted after the 2015 Moab trip:

I don't recall this topic being covered in this thread, so if it is a duplicate, forgive me.

Gary educated us on a couple of safety factors to consider after a rollover:

1)  as the occupant of the rolled vehicle, you should not attempt to immediately undo your seatbelt/harness.   In fact, you should wait for other wheelers to come to your rescue before attempting to get out of the situation.  The reason is that the vehicle may not be stable and either your movement or the vehicles position may put you in a more dangerous position.  Obviously there could be exceptions, such as the vehicle being on fire, but in general, wait for help.

2)  safety harnesses are superior to factory seat belts, especially if after being right-sided your vehicle is positioned in a manner where the seat belt cannot be buckled again.  In Gary's case, he rolled on an obstacle, was right-sided, and then he decided to attempt the obstacle again; however, he was in a position where he couldn't fasten the factory belt and then he rolled again.  Yep, not smart to attempt to continue without the belt being fastened, but a situation can be envisioned where even getting off an obstacle could present a perilous situation.

- Carl


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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: kvom on June 22, 2016, 07:52:50 AM
WRT Gary's flip on Rockpile and Clark's in Mickey's, either might have been recoverable with an auto slammed into reverse.  With a manual transmission that's likely impossible.

When doing something like the hot tubs it's crucial to not apply the brakes, but just to roll back when you don't make it.  Again, reflexes can make that difficult.

Many people I've talked to suggest grabbing the wheel with both hands during a roll or flop.
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: clark123456 on June 22, 2016, 08:31:49 AM
WRT Gary's flip on Rockpile and Clark's in Mickey's, either might have been recoverable with an auto slammed into reverse.  With a manual transmission that's likely impossible.

When doing something like the hot tubs it's crucial to not apply the brakes, but just to roll back when you don't make it.  Again, reflexes can make that difficult.

Many people I've talked to suggest grabbing the wheel with both hands during a roll or flop.
I think grabbing the steering wheel could end badly in a roll where the steering wheel is jerked from side to side as the wheels/tires get banged around.  I'll be grabbing my harness, if my mind works fast enough.  I can't remember what I grabbed when I flipped.

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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: clark123456 on June 22, 2016, 08:54:18 AM
WRT Gary's flip on Rockpile and Clark's in Mickey's, either might have been recoverable with an auto slammed into reverse.  With a manual transmission that's likely impossible.

When doing something like the hot tubs it's crucial to not apply the brakes, but just to roll back when you don't make it.  Again, reflexes can make that difficult.

Many people I've talked to suggest grabbing the wheel with both hands during a roll or flop.
I think grabbing the steering wheel could end badly in a roll where the steering wheel is jerked from side to side as the wheels/tires get banged around.  I'll be grabbing my harness, if my mind works fast enough.  I can't remember what I grabbed when I flipped.

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Driver, I'll try to keep my hands on the steering wheel (thumbs and fingers outside) and turtle. 
Passenger, I'l grabbing my harness or the oh-shit bar directly in front of me if there is one and turtling.

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I agree on turtle!  Am I crazy in thinking the steering wheel will over power my grip on it and increase risk of harm to my appendages?  What benefit do you think comes from holding onto the steering wheel versus grabbing the harness?

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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: kvom on June 22, 2016, 09:32:21 AM
At least one hand is already on the wheel; doesn't require thought to move it.  YMMV
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: lt99ls1 on June 22, 2016, 09:51:02 AM
You should never have your "thumbs in" on the wheel when offroad, unless you like risking a broken thumb.
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: BigMike on June 22, 2016, 10:41:03 AM

Here is an example of a bad situation:

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I can't tell exactly what happened there.  And who is the idiot that has the baby in his arms down by the rolled buggy?
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Cannonballkev on August 05, 2016, 11:33:58 PM
I've seen several videos where Jeeps flip over, freaks me out.  My truck isn't capable of getting in a position to flip (I think)
Curious, is it the wheel base, to high a lift, wrong line, freak accident?  Which model is (if any) "least likely " to flip .  I've never been in or drove any kind of Jeep, so I don't know how one handles compared to the other.  I'm sure there are many variables to my questions.

Thanks
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: patman on August 06, 2016, 09:38:04 AM
Curious, is it the wheel base, to high a lift, wrong line, freak accident?

Yes.
I would say freak accident is the least likely cause though. With enough experience and a good spotter, you shouldn't have anything unexpected happen
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: tjsahara00 on August 06, 2016, 01:58:01 PM
Or to much skinny pedal, a bounce and kick sideways
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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: bear991 on August 22, 2016, 08:49:04 PM
Hey guys,been away for a bit but I'm back.
When I flopped at Choccolocco Park I slid backwards and the left rear tire hit the corner of one of those water run off cut outs and it flipped me right over on my top. I laid over in the passenger seat
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: cru9 on August 22, 2016, 08:52:11 PM
^^^ that was crazy that day.


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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Blue J on March 25, 2017, 09:47:06 PM
That could have ended worse but should serve as a good reminder to always have and escape plan when watching someone attempt an obstacle.
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: DOUG on March 25, 2017, 09:54:29 PM
Wow skinny pedal
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Big Dave on March 25, 2017, 10:05:44 PM
Wow skinny pedal
Yeap
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: patman on March 25, 2017, 10:19:05 PM
When in doubt, throttle out
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: jc79 on March 25, 2017, 11:45:44 PM
Damn

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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Danny Kinder on October 11, 2017, 03:56:38 PM
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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: DOUG on October 11, 2017, 03:59:31 PM
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Ah I know that skid @jc79
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Krawler00 on October 12, 2017, 02:12:50 PM
If it would have went over I am positive it would have kicked AJs jeep out of gear and down the hill and possibly followed it. It was super steep on that spot. We joked about dukes of hazard jump but it would have done it for I bet.
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: tjsahara00 on October 12, 2017, 05:39:19 PM
We need to pair that picture with the one Pat holding me from going over...LOL
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: jc79 on October 12, 2017, 06:03:11 PM
Tony had a sketchy situation, too, on Mason Jar... anybody else?
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: tjsahara00 on October 12, 2017, 06:42:11 PM
Several of us got a little light on
White Tail Crawl
Lower Damnation
Bobby what was the short trail you 4 doors did
but justin and me got really light on and had to winch out
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: tcdawg on October 12, 2017, 07:03:46 PM
Tony had a sketchy situation, too, on Mason Jar... anybody else?

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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: tcdawg on October 12, 2017, 07:05:32 PM
Several of us got a little light on
White Tail Crawl
Lower Damnation
Bobby what was the short trail you 4 doors did
but justin and me got really light on and had to winch out

Steel Hill maybe?

The short one w the big rocks near the entrance to Little Jagger
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Anvilsam on October 12, 2017, 07:32:03 PM
Several of us got a little light on
White Tail Crawl
Lower Damnation
Bobby what was the short trail you 4 doors did
but justin and me got really light on and had to winch out

Steel Hill maybe?

The short one w the big rocks near the entrance to Little Jagger
I bet that’s it. That was a fun trail for the 4 doors.


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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: cru9 on October 12, 2017, 08:29:06 PM
Several of us got a little light on
White Tail Crawl
Lower Damnation
Bobby what was the short trail you 4 doors did
but justin and me got really light on and had to winch out
Yeah I think it was steel hill


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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Scott F. on October 12, 2017, 09:24:55 PM
Sort of a flop situation. The passenger side tire was wedged against a rock keeping it from going further over. The slider may have been on the ground as well.

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And this one counts as a flop. If I had gone slower I don't think it would have gone over. I tried to let it roll out of it and turn away from the ditch which was a mistake. It just pulled me back in with the speed and when it caught the other side of the ditch the momentum sent me over.

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(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp147/stf0412/Mobile%20Uploads/9244EAC4-8F29-42CE-8BDD-B1D0A8360B00_zpsgbkjgmgz.jpg) (http://s406.photobucket.com/user/stf0412/media/Mobile%20Uploads/9244EAC4-8F29-42CE-8BDD-B1D0A8360B00_zpsgbkjgmgz.jpg.html)

Here are two successful drive outs with the rear end coming up.

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp147/stf0412/851F32C7-4D40-439C-BB41-F0A93AAF7A73-10493-000001233D8F59FD_zpsaa17bcc6.jpg) (http://s406.photobucket.com/user/stf0412/media/851F32C7-4D40-439C-BB41-F0A93AAF7A73-10493-000001233D8F59FD_zpsaa17bcc6.jpg.html)

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp147/stf0412/Mobile%20Uploads/moab%202015/b7992f21e1ae2870d8d2f07fc2f68fb4_zpsnotocaqd.jpg) (http://s406.photobucket.com/user/stf0412/media/Mobile%20Uploads/moab%202015/b7992f21e1ae2870d8d2f07fc2f68fb4_zpsnotocaqd.jpg.html)


I don't think this one counts, but it made for an interesting picture.

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp147/stf0412/cabf3107f3bd6cd24251639d92f35afc_zpsddd9e5a4.jpg) (http://s406.photobucket.com/user/stf0412/media/cabf3107f3bd6cd24251639d92f35afc_zpsddd9e5a4.jpg.html)

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp147/stf0412/7d0f9a4177e261b0651f75603f78b9f1_zpsb4198601.jpg) (http://s406.photobucket.com/user/stf0412/media/7d0f9a4177e261b0651f75603f78b9f1_zpsb4198601.jpg.html)

Here is a video from Choccolocco of a close call for a backflip. If it had popped back quicker of the ledge I was stuck on or if I gave it more gas it could have been interesting. This was the first time Katie had ever been 4wheeling with me.

(http://rs406.pbsrc.com/albums/pp147/stf0412/9BC169BB-A5BA-4C82-99D0-F4FFFF55AAD9-1536-000001216E11FA05.mp4?w=160&h=160&fit=clip) (http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp147/stf0412/9BC169BB-A5BA-4C82-99D0-F4FFFF55AAD9-1536-000001216E11FA05.mp4)
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Scott F. on October 12, 2017, 09:32:16 PM
Gulches back to back flops. I think @Ranryn and Todd were trying to one up each other on flops.

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp147/stf0412/DA5B5DEB-63C0-4ABE-BD0B-962565D0D40A-10493-000001238EFC12B8_zps8c35e584.jpg) (http://s406.photobucket.com/user/stf0412/media/DA5B5DEB-63C0-4ABE-BD0B-962565D0D40A-10493-000001238EFC12B8_zps8c35e584.jpg.html)

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp147/stf0412/AF640F0E-9B5D-4226-BEFB-91A2DC133512-10493-0000012385B2F1CC_zps57fec0c5.jpg) (http://s406.photobucket.com/user/stf0412/media/AF640F0E-9B5D-4226-BEFB-91A2DC133512-10493-0000012385B2F1CC_zps57fec0c5.jpg.html)

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp147/stf0412/AF3EA68A-8B61-4A0E-93AE-56626B270FDA-10493-000001235ADA1A6B_zpsc617b1ef.jpg) (http://s406.photobucket.com/user/stf0412/media/AF3EA68A-8B61-4A0E-93AE-56626B270FDA-10493-000001235ADA1A6B_zpsc617b1ef.jpg.html)

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp147/stf0412/0B7C1C12-7E4C-458F-A5E1-A000432E47A8-10493-000001236CD8AED5_zpsaa48a260.jpg) (http://s406.photobucket.com/user/stf0412/media/0B7C1C12-7E4C-458F-A5E1-A000432E47A8-10493-000001236CD8AED5_zpsaa48a260.jpg.html)

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp147/stf0412/567A57F6-FF14-47EC-9129-8CE778049AE5-10493-000001236343DA2D_zps36bf1981.jpg) (http://s406.photobucket.com/user/stf0412/media/567A57F6-FF14-47EC-9129-8CE778049AE5-10493-000001236343DA2D_zps36bf1981.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: cru9 on October 12, 2017, 09:40:14 PM
I remember the Jeepfest trail day. Your truck went over quick


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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Big Dave on October 12, 2017, 09:42:28 PM
That's the same spot that got me.
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: jc79 on October 12, 2017, 09:52:13 PM
Jason flopped at the top if I am seeing the location right.


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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Big Dave on October 12, 2017, 10:24:25 PM
(http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af204/granthousehold/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-10/e9c4fce99eef4ff062de3db06fb16fbf_zpsoyuxam62.jpg) (http://s1008.photobucket.com/user/granthousehold/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-10/e9c4fce99eef4ff062de3db06fb16fbf_zpsoyuxam62.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Scott F. on October 12, 2017, 10:42:03 PM
Jason flopped at the top if I am seeing the location right.


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Yep, think it broke his side window out as well.
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: patman on October 12, 2017, 11:11:38 PM
Only had 1 flop and 1 complete roll so far. I have had a tree or or wall save me a few times though :)

3rd image is the roll, I hit the driver side first(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171013/4d58606032fb28c7862dce58f4de9b18.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171013/680672fb16ab938be377d94cea5a0288.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171013/084ff6626c9cbbddb832ec8cbde30ece.jpg)

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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Big Dave on October 12, 2017, 11:25:56 PM
I came damn close to flopping it on V Notch too.
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: tjsahara00 on October 13, 2017, 03:31:30 AM

April 2012 Gulches
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4504/23815246578_a75385c32f_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Chtn6C)

August 2017 GATR-FEST Golden Mtn
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4482/37618757986_c5e690a6d2_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/ZjeY8C)




Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Krawler00 on October 13, 2017, 09:50:07 AM
I sense a trend here Kevin  //LMAO//
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Chris36l on October 13, 2017, 10:50:14 AM
I sense a trend here Kevin  //LMAO//
Yea........


He DGAF!!!!! Lol


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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Blue J on October 13, 2017, 11:19:01 AM
Are some rigs/drivers more prone?
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: patman on October 13, 2017, 11:21:06 AM
Are some rigs/drivers more prone?

Probably more-so line selection. I never flipped or flopped my JKU. Also never would have tried the obstacles i do now
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Krawler00 on October 13, 2017, 11:21:25 AM
Are some rigs/drivers more prone?

uh, can O worms... ha ha.
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Big Dave on October 13, 2017, 03:29:10 PM
I think it has to more with wheelbase



& line selection.
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: 8lugLJ on October 13, 2017, 04:50:07 PM
Several of us got a little light on
White Tail Crawl
Lower Damnation
Bobby what was the short trail you 4 doors did
but justin and me got really light on and had to winch out

wait wait wait... i didnt winch.. i just had to have a little @Anvilsam help with some weight on the front left..
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Anvilsam on October 13, 2017, 05:10:24 PM
Several of us got a little light on
White Tail Crawl
Lower Damnation
Bobby what was the short trail you 4 doors did
but justin and me got really light on and had to winch out

wait wait wait... i didnt winch.. i just had to have a little @Anvilsam help with some weight on the front left..
Is that a fat joke?


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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: patman on October 13, 2017, 05:26:42 PM
Several of us got a little light on
White Tail Crawl
Lower Damnation
Bobby what was the short trail you 4 doors did
but justin and me got really light on and had to winch out

wait wait wait... i didnt winch.. i just had to have a little @Anvilsam help with some weight on the front left..
Is that a fat joke?


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No, he's just thin-shaming
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: tjsahara00 on October 13, 2017, 05:33:47 PM
Several of us got a little light on
White Tail Crawl
Lower Damnation
Bobby what was the short trail you 4 doors did
but justin and me got really light on and had to winch out

wait wait wait... i didnt winch.. i just had to have a little @Anvilsam help with some weight on the front left..

Oh yeah that was someone else tree saver that was left.....rightttt
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: tcdawg on October 13, 2017, 06:46:08 PM
Several of us got a little light on
White Tail Crawl
Lower Damnation
Bobby what was the short trail you 4 doors did
but justin and me got really light on and had to winch out

wait wait wait... i didnt winch.. i just had to have a little @Anvilsam help with some weight on the front left..
Is that a fat joke?


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What I saw in real life was no joke
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: 94xjsport94 on October 15, 2017, 10:27:41 PM
Are some rigs/drivers more prone?


Yes. I've seen lot of rigs roll/flop... suspension, center of gravity, and definitely drivers all play a part. I know a few people who can't drive worth a flip and use a bigger motor as their way to bounce up a trail or spot. Best thing is seat time. Knowing how your rig feels/ sounds/ looks when it's getting close to going and what to do when it acts like it. I ground my shifter gate in order to slam reverse from 1st and have used it several times.


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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: 8lugLJ on October 16, 2017, 11:06:55 AM
Several of us got a little light on
White Tail Crawl
Lower Damnation
Bobby what was the short trail you 4 doors did
but justin and me got really light on and had to winch out

wait wait wait... i didnt winch.. i just had to have a little @Anvilsam help with some weight on the front left..

Oh yeah that was someone else tree saver that was left.....rightttt


it actually was mine, that was what Sam was using for leverage..
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: tjsahara00 on October 16, 2017, 11:28:22 AM
Yeah your right
you only had a strap on....no winch
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: j3ff3ry_j33p on August 24, 2018, 06:53:23 PM
Sort of a flop situation. The passenger side tire was wedged against a rock keeping it from going further over. The slider may have been on the ground as well.

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp147/stf0412/Mobile%20Uploads/BB8C79DB-A6FC-4CC6-81C1-92B5ABB4DC07_zps57clvdgq.jpg) (http://s406.photobucket.com/user/stf0412/media/Mobile%20Uploads/BB8C79DB-A6FC-4CC6-81C1-92B5ABB4DC07_zps57clvdgq.jpg.html)

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp147/stf0412/Mobile%20Uploads/F1684E34-B321-405A-AE6E-F9F54EC05E28_zpsyc9cskxy.jpg) (http://s406.photobucket.com/user/stf0412/media/Mobile%20Uploads/F1684E34-B321-405A-AE6E-F9F54EC05E28_zpsyc9cskxy.jpg.html)

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp147/stf0412/Mobile%20Uploads/99608393-D2ED-429A-9641-C074FD386667_zpstap1sbla.jpg) (http://s406.photobucket.com/user/stf0412/media/Mobile%20Uploads/99608393-D2ED-429A-9641-C074FD386667_zpstap1sbla.jpg.html)





And this one counts as a flop. If I had gone slower I don't think it would have gone over. I tried to let it roll out of it and turn away from the ditch which was a mistake. It just pulled me back in with the speed and when it caught the other side of the ditch the momentum sent me over.

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp147/stf0412/Mobile%20Uploads/1ED89C2B-6483-441D-9AE7-3EFF0165E981_zps9elpthjz.jpg) (http://s406.photobucket.com/user/stf0412/media/Mobile%20Uploads/1ED89C2B-6483-441D-9AE7-3EFF0165E981_zps9elpthjz.jpg.html)

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp147/stf0412/Mobile%20Uploads/9244EAC4-8F29-42CE-8BDD-B1D0A8360B00_zpsgbkjgmgz.jpg) (http://s406.photobucket.com/user/stf0412/media/Mobile%20Uploads/9244EAC4-8F29-42CE-8BDD-B1D0A8360B00_zpsgbkjgmgz.jpg.html)

Here are two successful drive outs with the rear end coming up.

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp147/stf0412/851F32C7-4D40-439C-BB41-F0A93AAF7A73-10493-000001233D8F59FD_zpsaa17bcc6.jpg) (http://s406.photobucket.com/user/stf0412/media/851F32C7-4D40-439C-BB41-F0A93AAF7A73-10493-000001233D8F59FD_zpsaa17bcc6.jpg.html)

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp147/stf0412/Mobile%20Uploads/moab%202015/b7992f21e1ae2870d8d2f07fc2f68fb4_zpsnotocaqd.jpg) (http://s406.photobucket.com/user/stf0412/media/Mobile%20Uploads/moab%202015/b7992f21e1ae2870d8d2f07fc2f68fb4_zpsnotocaqd.jpg.html)


I don't think this one counts, but it made for an interesting picture.

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp147/stf0412/cabf3107f3bd6cd24251639d92f35afc_zpsddd9e5a4.jpg) (http://s406.photobucket.com/user/stf0412/media/cabf3107f3bd6cd24251639d92f35afc_zpsddd9e5a4.jpg.html)

(http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp147/stf0412/7d0f9a4177e261b0651f75603f78b9f1_zpsb4198601.jpg) (http://s406.photobucket.com/user/stf0412/media/7d0f9a4177e261b0651f75603f78b9f1_zpsb4198601.jpg.html)

Here is a video from Choccolocco of a close call for a backflip. If it had popped back quicker of the ledge I was stuck on or if I gave it more gas it could have been interesting. This was the first time Katie had ever been 4wheeling with me.

(http://rs406.pbsrc.com/albums/pp147/stf0412/9BC169BB-A5BA-4C82-99D0-F4FFFF55AAD9-1536-000001216E11FA05.mp4?w=160&h=160&fit=clip) (http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp147/stf0412/9BC169BB-A5BA-4C82-99D0-F4FFFF55AAD9-1536-000001216E11FA05.mp4)


every time I see this truck I like it more. It is really cool, man
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: jc79 on August 24, 2018, 06:57:53 PM
every time I see this truck I like it more. It is really cool, man

^^ this



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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Big Dave on August 24, 2018, 07:12:12 PM
Yes. Defiantly a bad azz truck.

My question is....
Who told over more....Pat or Scott??
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: bjeep on August 25, 2018, 07:32:47 PM
Here is one from my last trip to harlan.  [pissed] [pissed]
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: patman on August 25, 2018, 07:37:49 PM
Here is one from my last trip to harlan.  [pissed] [pissed]
I flipped the 2nd time out with the new hood and paint job... smashed my custom hood lol

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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: patman on August 25, 2018, 07:41:38 PM
Yes. Defiantly a bad azz truck.

My question is....
Who told over more....Pat or Scott??
I resemble that remark.


Probably me

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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: tcdawg on August 25, 2018, 10:04:57 PM
Here is one from my last trip to harlan.  [pissed] [pissed]

Cooler is safe, nicely strapped. 

Where is that in the park?
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: bjeep on August 26, 2018, 10:24:37 AM
Here is one from my last trip to harlan.  [pissed] [pissed]

Cooler is safe, nicely strapped. 

Where is that in the park?

That is Crawford’s cry. I was told that I lifted and that is why it rolled. So next time I will not lift.  [no]
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: tcdawg on August 26, 2018, 04:07:35 PM
Here is one from my last trip to harlan.  [pissed] [pissed]

Cooler is safe, nicely strapped. 

Where is that in the park?

That is Crawford’s cry. I was told that I lifted and that is why it rolled. So next time I will not lift.  [no]

Man, that trail is gnarly.  I have only walked it, but it was steep and rough.  Some water too I think
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: patman on August 13, 2019, 10:42:32 AM
That's no bueno.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190813/6a66c67a988a56ce107f1f7f3cc6bc49.jpg)

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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: clark123456 on August 13, 2019, 10:50:15 AM
That's no bueno.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190813/6a66c67a988a56ce107f1f7f3cc6bc49.jpg)

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Yep...but I don't see blood...whew

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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: tcdawg on August 13, 2019, 11:21:25 AM
That's no bueno.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190813/6a66c67a988a56ce107f1f7f3cc6bc49.jpg)

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damn

That is a worst case scenario right there.  Super scary.
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: patman on August 13, 2019, 11:29:00 AM
That's no bueno.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190813/6a66c67a988a56ce107f1f7f3cc6bc49.jpg)

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Yep...but I don't see blood...whew

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Yep. The guy standing there is the owner, he said his leg hurt for a while lol
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: patman on August 13, 2019, 11:30:25 AM
That's no bueno.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190813/6a66c67a988a56ce107f1f7f3cc6bc49.jpg)

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damn

That is a worst case scenario right there.  Super scary.

That's the reason I added a door bar to mine instead of leaving it open like it originally was. Just something to be cognizant of when you wheel without doors
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Trailabite on August 13, 2019, 12:47:02 PM
He could have easily got his hand caught up in that or his face. I'm guessing that it was a slow flop and he a few seconds to look and think.

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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: tjsahara00 on August 13, 2019, 01:16:59 PM
Bought my helmet after this incident
rock is not as big but could have been
bad if it had been over a couple feet
instead of hitting the windshield

Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Trailabite on August 13, 2019, 01:20:51 PM
Ouch that could have been a bigger ouch!
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Blue J on August 13, 2019, 01:28:27 PM
Ouch that could have been a bigger ouch!
[no2]
That deer was a bigger Ouch.
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: tjsahara00 on August 13, 2019, 01:49:21 PM
True that Jimbo
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Ronnie j on July 02, 2021, 07:43:34 AM
Low speed flop at Harlan , forgot the trail name.
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: tcdawg on July 02, 2021, 11:58:44 AM
Low speed flop at Harlan , forgot the trail name.
Grapevine maybe ?
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: tjsahara00 on July 04, 2021, 09:23:46 PM
Some reason I was thinking that was the slab up on middle rock garden.
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Anvilsam on July 04, 2021, 10:14:23 PM
Some reason I was thinking that was the slab up on middle rock garden.
That’s exactly where it is. I got bound up in that same tree our last trip and nearly suffered the same fate


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Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: tjsahara00 on July 05, 2021, 06:04:05 PM
I believe everyone who has went up that has gotten a little tippy at some point. There has been a lot of good photo's and videos from that slab.
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: tcdawg on July 05, 2021, 07:08:27 PM
Some reason I was thinking that was the slab up on middle rock garden.
That’s exactly where it is. I got bound up in that same tree our last trip and nearly suffered the same fate


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Good call.  Just up from Grapvine.  Those are some tough trails in that area of the park.
Title: Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
Post by: Anvilsam on July 05, 2021, 11:27:07 PM
I believe everyone who has went up that has gotten a little tippy at some point. There has been a lot of good photo's and videos from that slab.
I’ve done the slabs a few times but last time I hugged that tree too much and about flopped it over into the slab


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