Georgia Trail Riders Forum
MEMBERS DISCUSSION AREA => General Discussion => Topic started by: Cleveland99 on February 12, 2019, 08:08:40 PM
-
Pros and Cons between WTO and PSC
-
PSC system is super smooth and worth the money
WTO Offroad is cheaper works but not as smooth a least on a JK. A TJ could be different because a different gear box and pump.
I just did all the variations with my JK and started with WTO. Finished with the complete PSC.
-
I had the WTO kit. Great in the rocks, sucked for parking at the mall. In all seriousness, it was very tough to turn at low speeds such as when pulling in to a parking space. Off-road it was great though, I had 37s at 8 psi and it was a world of difference compared to stock.
If you can swing the PSC kit Id go for that
-
Hybrid here. Self-tapped box, stock pump, PSC ram. Parking at the mall is very easy with 37s.
-
Hybrid here. Self-tapped box, stock pump, PSC ram. Parking at the mall is very easy with 37s.
This is the same setup as Kevin's TJ had. Worked great.
-
Hybrid here. Self-tapped box, stock pump, PSC ram. Parking at the mall is very easy with 37s.
This is the same setup as Kevin's TJ had. Worked great.
Like David said.....mine worked great.
Make sure you mount the ram correct though.
-
Whatever you choose, makes sure the everything matches. Ram piston to flow of the pumps, hose sizes, filters, and cooling the fluid.
Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk
-
Hybrid here. Self-tapped box, stock pump, PSC ram. Parking at the mall is very easy with 37s.
Mine is a hybrid as well. Same set up.
Came with a stock diameter pump pulley. I purchased a PSC smaller diameter pulley to overdrive the pump. Night and day difference at low RPMs. Whoever built it didn't install a cooler. First trip in the woods on the overdriven pump, the fluid got really hot. Installed a cooler, everything is good so far. I'll know more when it gets hot outside.
-
I have the WTO kit, its a great price point but def. a good thing if you run 37's or larger. I like it, it was/is a good upgrade/investment for my rig. IMO
-
Hybrid here. Box was rebuilt and drill/tapped by WTO. They offer upgraded seals and bearings iirc. PSC rebuild was just too insanely expensive. Pump, ram, reservoir, and hoses are all PSC stuff. Hoping to test on Thursday night. Will update with performance soon...ish.
-
Ironic you posted this at 8:00... at 7:00 I was researching systems... I found the PSC is offering a gear box alone that has a larger sector shaft and piston (equal to a 2500/3500 Ram) and they claim the box and new pump could eliminate the need for the full hydro assist kit. Once you look at the pricing for the Box ($1350), Pump ($525), Cooler/PSI hose ($130) Return hose ($60) you are into it for $2065 vs the big bore PSC kit for $2584.
It certainly is a battle and I was thinking of going hybrid as well, which seems to be working well for many.
-
Just remember Shane has a TJ and JKs are a totally different animal
-
Ironic you posted this at 8:00... at 7:00 I was researching systems... I found the PSC is offering a gear box alone that has a larger sector shaft and piston (equal to a 2500/3500 Ram) and they claim the box and new pump could eliminate the need for the full hydro assist kit. Once you look at the pricing for the Box ($1350), Pump ($525), Cooler/PSI hose ($130) Return hose ($60) you are into it for $2065 vs the big bore PSC kit for $2584.
It certainly is a battle and I was thinking of going hybrid as well, which seems to be working well for many.
I have the WTO in my JK. Its good for the $$. I am sure the PSC is better. I looked at the Big Bore system too and went with the price performer.
-
Pros and Cons between WTO and PSC
You can get a jump start on a hybrid system:
http://www.gatrailriders.com/GTRForums/index.php/topic,18005.0.html
From what I found, regardless TJ or JK, the cylinders are all about the same. The guy at PSC even said the RNR and theirs were equals. All you would need is a pump, cooler and some mounting and you would just about be done.
-
Ironic you posted this at 8:00... at 7:00 I was researching systems... I found the PSC is offering a gear box alone that has a larger sector shaft and piston (equal to a 2500/3500 Ram) and they claim the box and new pump could eliminate the need for the full hydro assist kit. Once you look at the pricing for the Box ($1350), Pump ($525), Cooler/PSI hose ($130) Return hose ($60) you are into it for $2065 vs the big bore PSC kit for $2584.
It certainly is a battle and I was thinking of going hybrid as well, which seems to be working well for many.
Save $600...
https://www.pscmotorsports.com/garage-sale/07-18-jeep-jk-4-door-steering-gear-box-ported-for-cylinder-assist-delphi-version-21937.html
-
According to WTO a cooler is not needed.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
According to WTO a cooler is not needed.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
You can try it without a cooler, but while you're in there, may as well add one. It definitely can't hurt.
-
Thank you
I appreciate all the feed back !!!
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
Pros and Cons between WTO and PSC
You can get a jump start on a hybrid system:
http://www.gatrailriders.com/GTRForums/index.php/topic,18005.0.html
From what I found, regardless TJ or JK, the cylinders are all about the same. The guy at PSC even said the RNR and theirs were equals. All you would need is a pump, cooler and some mounting and you would just about be done.
The RNR is not the same stroke or diameter as the PSC. I would suggest they are not mixable as flow volume of components will potentially not match the stroke/bore diameter potentially causing the trouble at idle/slow speeds or at higher rpms.
Ironic you posted this at 8:00... at 7:00 I was researching systems... I found the PSC is offering a gear box alone that has a larger sector shaft and piston (equal to a 2500/3500 Ram) and they claim the box and new pump could eliminate the need for the full hydro assist kit. Once you look at the pricing for the Box ($1350), Pump ($525), Cooler/PSI hose ($130) Return hose ($60) you are into it for $2065 vs the big bore PSC kit for $2584.
It certainly is a battle and I was thinking of going hybrid as well, which seems to be working well for many.
Be careful, that big bore has been reported to interfere with a lot around it for clearance.
-
Pros and Cons between WTO and PSC
You can get a jump start on a hybrid system:
http://www.gatrailriders.com/GTRForums/index.php/topic,18005.0.html
From what I found, regardless TJ or JK, the cylinders are all about the same. The guy at PSC even said the RNR and theirs were equals. All you would need is a pump, cooler and some mounting and you would just about be done.
The RNR is not the same stroke or diameter as the PSC. I would suggest they are not mixable as flow volume of components will potentially not match the stroke/bore diameter potentially causing the trouble at idle/slow speeds or at higher rpms.
Ironic you posted this at 8:00... at 7:00 I was researching systems... I found the PSC is offering a gear box alone that has a larger sector shaft and piston (equal to a 2500/3500 Ram) and they claim the box and new pump could eliminate the need for the full hydro assist kit. Once you look at the pricing for the Box ($1350), Pump ($525), Cooler/PSI hose ($130) Return hose ($60) you are into it for $2065 vs the big bore PSC kit for $2584.
It certainly is a battle and I was thinking of going hybrid as well, which seems to be working well for many.
Be careful, that big bore has been reported to interfere with a lot around it for clearance.
This steering box does not work for my year TJ ! Mine is a 99
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
Pros and Cons between WTO and PSC
You can get a jump start on a hybrid system:
http://www.gatrailriders.com/GTRForums/index.php/topic,18005.0.html
From what I found, regardless TJ or JK, the cylinders are all about the same. The guy at PSC even said the RNR and theirs were equals. All you would need is a pump, cooler and some mounting and you would just about be done.
The RNR is not the same stroke or diameter as the PSC. I would suggest they are not mixable as flow volume of components will potentially not match the stroke/bore diameter potentially causing the trouble at idle/slow speeds or at higher rpms.
Ironic you posted this at 8:00... at 7:00 I was researching systems... I found the PSC is offering a gear box alone that has a larger sector shaft and piston (equal to a 2500/3500 Ram) and they claim the box and new pump could eliminate the need for the full hydro assist kit. Once you look at the pricing for the Box ($1350), Pump ($525), Cooler/PSI hose ($130) Return hose ($60) you are into it for $2065 vs the big bore PSC kit for $2584.
It certainly is a battle and I was thinking of going hybrid as well, which seems to be working well for many.
Be careful, that big bore has been reported to interfere with a lot around it for clearance.
This steering box does not work for my year TJ ! Mine is a 99
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Agreed. Didn't want anyone else to read this thread later and not hear that other information. Have a drink :) [cheers]
-
According to WTO a cooler is not needed.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Why not? Fluid does break down due to temperature. Same as filters for these systems. They should be changed out becuase wear metal floating around is the system isnt good.
Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk
-
According to WTO a cooler is not needed.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Why not? Fluid does break down due to temperature. Same as filters for these systems. They should be changed out becuase wear metal floating around is the system isnt good.
Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk
Just repeating what the rep at WTO said on the phone!
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
-
According to WTO a cooler is not needed.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Why not? Fluid does break down due to temperature. Same as filters for these systems. They should be changed out becuase wear metal floating around is the system isnt good.
Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk
Just repeating what the rep at WTO said on the phone!
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
It wasn't directed at you per say, but just an out loud thought / statement.
Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk
-
Pros and Cons between WTO and PSC
You can get a jump start on a hybrid system:
http://www.gatrailriders.com/GTRForums/index.php/topic,18005.0.html
From what I found, regardless TJ or JK, the cylinders are all about the same. The guy at PSC even said the RNR and theirs were equals. All you would need is a pump, cooler and some mounting and you would just about be done.
The RNR is not the same stroke or diameter as the PSC. I would suggest they are not mixable as flow volume of components will potentially not match the stroke/bore diameter potentially causing the trouble at idle/slow speeds or at higher rpms.
PSC did make a 1.5 bore, 6.75 stroke ram (same as wto uses) but has since switched to the 1.75 bore on the jk system. I was able to get one of the 1.5s by calling them. Probably only good for the bling factor, but I figured the seals etc... were likely higher quality
-
Pros and Cons between WTO and PSC
You can get a jump start on a hybrid system:
http://www.gatrailriders.com/GTRForums/index.php/topic,18005.0.html
From what I found, regardless TJ or JK, the cylinders are all about the same. The guy at PSC even said the RNR and theirs were equals. All you would need is a pump, cooler and some mounting and you would just about be done.
The RNR is not the same stroke or diameter as the PSC. I would suggest they are not mixable as flow volume of components will potentially not match the stroke/bore diameter potentially causing the trouble at idle/slow speeds or at higher rpms.
PSC did make a 1.5 bore, 6.75 stroke ram (same as wto uses) but has since switched to the 1.75 bore on the jk system. I was able to get one of the 1.5s by calling them. Probably only good for the bling factor, but I figured the seals etc... were likely higher quality
PSC designed and imports thier cylinders and supplies WTO theirs, or at least I know they used to.
-
I ran the WTO package and drilled stock pump on the JKU. Eventually my ram started to leak, so I switched to a PSC ram. No issues at all. I had the slight strating delay occasionally in parking lots, but it never bothered me.
-
According to WTO a cooler is not needed.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
You can try it without a cooler, but while you're in there, may as well add one. It definitely can't hurt.
I do not currently run a cooler.
-
I ran the WTO package and drilled stock pump on the JKU. Eventually my ram started to leak, so I switched to a PSC ram. No issues at all. I had the slight strating delay occasionally in parking lots, but it never bothered me.
Hey - we're talking about a 99 TJ here.
-
Hey - we're talking about a 99 TJ here.
Haha.
In that case, I'm running full PSC hydraulic steering. No issues.
-
Hey - we're talking about a 99 TJ here.
Haha.
In that case, I'm running full PSC hydraulic steering. No issues.
lmao lmao
-
I ran the WTO package and drilled stock pump on the JKU. Eventually my ram started to leak, so I switched to a PSC ram. No issues at all. I had the slight strating delay occasionally in parking lots, but it never bothered me.
Hey - we're talking about a 99 TJ here.
I didn't mean to convolute the topic or hijack a thread... I didn't realize the TJ was so much different from the JK... the fundamentals of hydraulics should be rather universal. The on road behaviors should be the only differences.
-
I ran the WTO package and drilled stock pump on the JKU. Eventually my ram started to leak, so I switched to a PSC ram. No issues at all. I had the slight strating delay occasionally in parking lots, but it never bothered me.
Hey - we're talking about a 99 TJ here.
You make sound so unworthy and shameful!!!!!
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
-
I was using a self ported 99 Durango box (non-snow plow box), PSC ram and stock tj pump with no problems at all before the LS swap. With the LS setup I will be using the same box and ram but with a GM type 2 pump, 1.25 quart remote reservoir and a dual pass cooler. I should have north of 2 quarts of fluid flowing through the system.