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OTHER INTERESTS => Guns & Self Defense => Topic started by: cru9 on July 12, 2016, 09:23:57 AM
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Tomorrow is the last day for Efile. I bet this is the governments way of shutting down people buying short Rifles and cans.
I also just heard they are trying to ban the sale of Armor Piercing rounds now
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Tomorrow is the last day for Efile. I bet this is the governments way of shutting down people buying short Rifles and cans.
I also just heard they are trying to ban the sale of Armor Piercing rounds now
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Serious question as my ignorance to the needs of gun owners is pretty high: Is there a need for civilians to have Armor Piercing rounds?
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Tomorrow is the last day for Efile. I bet this is the governments way of shutting down people buying short Rifles and cans.
I also just heard they are trying to ban the sale of Armor Piercing rounds now
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Serious question as my ignorance to the needs of gun owners is pretty high: Is there a need for civilians to have Armor Piercing rounds?
My question to you.
Why not?
It's just another way our Awesome government is trying to rule everything and takes guns and ammo out of everybody's hands. Not sure if you would call for sure call them armor piercing more than Steel core projectiles. That seem to fall in the same category.
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Tomorrow is the last day for Efile. I bet this is the governments way of shutting down people buying short Rifles and cans.
I also just heard they are trying to ban the sale of Armor Piercing rounds now
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Serious question as my ignorance to the needs of gun owners is pretty high: Is there a need for civilians to have Armor Piercing rounds?
My question to you.
Why not?
It's just another way our Awesome government is trying to rule everything and takes guns and ammo out of everybody's hands. Not sure if you would call for sure call them armor piercing more than Steel core projectiles. That seem to fall in the same category.
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Use of armor piercing rounds seems like an escalation that isn't needed (kind of like the concept of MAD), but I was hoping for a better reason than a question of, "Why not?".
I wonder if/why we should limit sales of military grade, or style, weaponry to civilians. If I have the cash, I should be able to have RPGs, full auto rifles (or three shot bursts), grenades, etc, based on the concern of being limited by our government.
I do not understand why certain things are considered legal, and others are not, even if a need has not been identified.
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Tomorrow is the last day for Efile. I bet this is the governments way of shutting down people buying short Rifles and cans.
I also just heard they are trying to ban the sale of Armor Piercing rounds now
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Serious question as my ignorance to the needs of gun owners is pretty high: Is there a need for civilians to have Armor Piercing rounds?
My question to you.
Why not?
It's just another way our Awesome government is trying to rule everything and takes guns and ammo out of everybody's hands. Not sure if you would call for sure call them armor piercing more than Steel core projectiles. That seem to fall in the same category.
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Use of armor piercing rounds seems like an escalation that isn't needed (kind of like the concept of MAD), but I was hoping for a better reason than a question of, "Why not?".
I wonder if/why we should limit sales of military grade, or style, weaponry to civilians. If I have the cash, I should be able to have RPGs, full auto rifles (or three shot bursts), grenades, etc, based on the concern of being limited by our government.
I do not understand why certain things are considered legal, and others are not, even if a need has not been identified.
Things like full auto rifles you can buy if you have the money and want to do all the paper work and wait to be ok'd by all the government authorities.
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Clark - do you really need a diesel? It's polluting the environment so I don't think you should have it. There are plenty of bikes you can buy.
Lol!
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Clark - do you really need a diesel? It's polluting the environment so I don't think you should have it. There are plenty of bikes you can buy.
No..you are correct...wait for my new thread.
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You going to recycle veggie oil?
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Just what we need... Clark distributing the smell of bacon all the way to Golden
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Just what we need... Clark distributing the smell of bacon all the way to Golden
Supposedly the DEF makes it smell
like baked goods
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I understand what Clark is saying because where do you draw the line between what the government allows you to own and at what point does it infringe on your Liberty. Why is beer/liquor legal and not pot or cocaine? I'm a staunch defender of Liberty and the 2nd Amendment but wouldn't like the idea of people being able to buy RPG's. People with enough money can literally get anything they want. There is private ownership of P51 Mustangs and Sherman tanks.
As citizens that (are supposed to) control the government, how much Liberty do we want to surrender? Everyone sees it differently and most don't stop to think about what it really means to give up their Liberty. If the government can restrict your Liberty for one thing, what is to stop them for doing for another thing?
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I understand what Clark is saying because where do you draw the line between what the government allows you to own and at what point does it infringe on your Liberty. Why is beer/liquor legal and not pot or cocaine? I'm a staunch defender of Liberty and the 2nd Amendment but wouldn't like the idea of people being able to buy RPG's. People with enough money can literally get anything they want. There is private ownership of P51 Mustangs and Sherman tanks.
As citizens that (are supposed to) control the government, how much Liberty do we want to surrender? Everyone sees it differently and most don't stop to think about what it really means to give up their Liberty. If the government can restrict your Liberty for one thing, what is to stop them for doing for another thing?
You do understand my point.
I was not trying to be provocative in my first response...I wasn't sure if there was an actual reason for armor piercing rounds...besides piercing armor (like bear hunting, hog hunting, etc.) if a civilian having armor piercing rounds is for 'just because' or 'piercing armor', I really didn't see the harm in making them unavailable to civilians, unless we fear a tyrannical government. If the reason is for stopping a tyrannical government, then I would push for their availability staying strong, and adding RPGs and other high level fire power to the list of things available.
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i think you also have to look at what point does the government redefine what is armor piercing thus taking other projectiles out of the hands of law abiding people who are going to give up such items for fear of being prosecuted. Its just like the no fly list making it so people cant have guns. When does the govt change the criteria for adding you to said list? When you speak out against the president because you don't agree with his opinion? I personally have never seen the need for green tips (armor piercing) and i think that when people go out and buy them just because some crooked politician says they are going to ban them is crazy.
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You never know when you will need to shoot a round through and engine block.
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You never know when you will need to shoot a round through and engine block.
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That's what the fiddy is for? :)
Very true!
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You don't have to shoot the block. Engine won't run long if you put several rounds in the radiator.
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You don't have to shoot the block. Engine won't run long if you put several rounds in the radiator.
That would be after it overheats... Busting the block is instant.
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You don't have to shoot the block. Engine won't run long if you put several rounds in the radiator.
Or we could just have @cru9 install his old radiator in them. Problem solved
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Actually M855 (green tip) is not true armor piercing. It was developed due to the M193 (lead core) not having enough penetration when dealing with vehicles. A true armor piercing round has a black tip and most of the time a tungsten core versus the steel core in the M855.
I have a supply of both as well as some other colored tip ammunition that can do some really cool stuff. All sealed up waiting for the zombie apocalypse. //BLASTEM'// //ZOMBIE2//
As for the heavy artillery I don't have any issues with ownership of planes, tanks, or ships, or any of the toys they come with. As long as you are a responsible citizen and do not infringe upon anothers rights. The Constitution was written for the civilian ownership of armaments to be deployed in case of war. Up until after the war of northern aggression all warships, cannons, and mortars were owned by private citizens. It was during that time period that we started seeing more mass production of weapons for military service.
I would love to have an M777 to launch softballs with out of my front yard.
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"soft balls", yeah right. LOL
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"soft balls", yeah right. LOL
OK, I'll put a daisy in the barrel and we'll call it a flower pot. //;D//
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Better.
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"soft balls", yeah right. LOL
OK, I'll put a daisy in the barrel and we'll call it a flower pot. //;D//
Better.
Funny! Made me think of Mortal Kombat peace mode
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