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MEMBERS DISCUSSION AREA => General Discussion => Topic started by: Alex on September 08, 2008, 03:46:44 PM
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Well i decided i would show you how to make your on for under $150. This was way cheaper than any other kit.
1) I spent about 2 hours calling different places trying to get the best price on a tank. I was trying to get a 15 or 20 pound tank. I got prices from $35 to $235 for the tanks. I purchased mine from a fire and safety store in Anderson SC. I couldn't find a 20 lb tank for under $100. I got the used 10 lb steel tank filled for $60. Just ask for a CO2 tank. I wanted an aluminum tank but the cheepest i could find one was $125.
2) Trying to find a CO2 regulator was a pain. I finally found one on a clearance rack at a local welding supply shop for $63.00.
3) I bought a hose and all the connectors from Big lots and auto zone. It was 15 for all the parts.
4) I have a guy who will refill my tank so i dont have to swap it out (this means i get to customize mine)
Total $138.00
Now do make you one ;D
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Custom is always the best! Good job!
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Alex, you will love it when you need it. That's about what I have in mine, but I have a 20lb tank and a fixed 150 psi regulator. It will run the heck out of some air tools. ;D Just make sure you stand the tank up when you use it.
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Alex, you will love it when you need it. That's about what I have in mine, but I have a 20lb tank and a fixed 150 psi regulator. It will run the heck out of some air tools. ;D Just make sure you stand the tank up when you use it.
So how do you keep track of exactly how much air you have? I know that the regulator will show the psi entering it, but how do you know if you have enough air to refill all your tires? My experience with regulators on similar tanks; argon, nitrogen, and also smaller CO2 tanks for paint ball guns, is that the regulator won't show you how much air you actually have. The needle doesn't even move until the tank is almost completely out.
So is that how your regulator works? I would hate to air up a tire, have the regulator start to show, and then only get one more tire filled up. That would just piss me off. So tell me that you can get a regulator that shows you exactly how much air you got left cause I really wanna do this. :)
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The right gauge tells you how much air is in the tank. the left one is what psi you have coming out 0-200. I have no clue if the gauge on the left will read true or not. I haven't tested it yet.
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Just count how many fill ups you get out of your tank if you just use it for strictly tires. Then you will have an idea in the future.
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Just count how many fill ups you get out of your tank if you just use it for strictly tires. Then you will have an idea in the future.
that would be my guess as well. Chris gets quite a few tires out of his tank. I remember the ride at tellico when you filled the one guys tire like 4 times and had plenty left. ::)
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10lbs of C02 should generally air up (30) 35x12.50's from 10lbs to 30lbs.
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That is freakin nuts! I will eventually get a set up like this. My air compressor takes too long. But I am patient. Just no freakin room in the Jeep for ANYTHING!
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That is freakin nuts! I will eventually get a set up like this. My air compressor takes too long. But I am patient. Just no freakin room in the Jeep for ANYTHING!
Do you have an air tank with your compressor?
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My high dollar tank holder! nln
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Larry, an air tank is useless when airing up tires. :)
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Larry, an air tank is useless when airing up tires. :)
Your telling me an air tank hooked to a compressor with a 120 psi already in the tank is useless?
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120psi is irrelevant because you can have 120psi in a 1 gallon tank or a 100 gallon tank. But yes, a small air tank is useless for airing up tires. :) Unless you have a 30-50 gallon tank you are not storing enough air to even begin re-inflating. It's all about volume when you are talking about an air tank. I tell you what. You air down one of your 40's to 10psi then start airing back up. If your tank is not empty and your compressor running within 20 seconds, I will buy your lunch. :) I would say 10 seconds, but I need w small window. ;D
Also, unless your compressor has the duty cycle to keep up with the rate you are sending air out, you are working against yourself and over working the compressor.
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Ah, but the CFM on my York 210 and 4gal tank sure makes short work of my 35s. And the only upkeep is occasional oil for the York. The only thing that takes up any room in my jeep is the coiled up hose. "Pump all you want we'll make more!" (as long as we still have gasoline)
Hmmmmm, maybe some kid of retractable contraption for the hose....................................
Although I have to admit, the CO2 setups will actually keep the regulated pressure going until the tank is spent. And the custom tank does look nice.
Paul
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Ah, but the CFM on my York 210 and 4gal tank sure makes short work of my 35s. And the only upkeep is occasional oil for the York. The only thing that takes up any room in my jeep is the coiled up hose. "Pump all you want we'll make more!" (as long as we still have gasoline)
Hmmmmm, maybe some kid of retractable contraption for the hose....................................
Although I have to admit, the CO2 setups will actually keep the regulated pressure going until the tank is spent. And the custom tank does look nice.
Paul
Did you buy the bracket for your york? I haven't looked into it much, but if I went this route I'd be making my own. I lost interest in this because of those ridiculous prices of the mounting bracket.
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Paul, your York OBA compressor is 100% duty and would blow a hole in the house if you needed to. See, you got the right compressor. ;D
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120psi is irrelevant because you can have 120psi in a 1 gallon tank or a 100 gallon tank. But yes, a small air tank is useless for airing up tires. :) Unless you have a 30-50 gallon tank you are not storing enough air to even begin re-inflating. It's all about volume when you are talking about an air tank. I tell you what. You air down one of your 40's to 10psi then start airing back up. If your tank is not empty and your compressor running within 20 seconds, I will buy your lunch. :) I would say 10 seconds, but I need w small window. ;D
Also, unless your compressor has the duty cycle to keep up with the rate you are sending air out, you are working against yourself and over working the compressor.
I forgot the CO2 is in liquid form in the tank. But an air tank does help you to have some volume on hand already.
My need is to reseat a broken bead and fil back up to a wopping 7 psi. :)
I want a york but it the $$$ thats stop me.
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I just picked up a YORK 210 from a 240 Volvo at pull-a-part last Thursday. It was like $27 with a 30 day warranty. I was able to cut the hoses long so this should help during the install. It had a double V-Belt clutch, I took it to work and modified that so it will work with a serpentine. Just finished fabbing a mount tonight that is adjustable so I don't have to fight the adjustment on the power steering pump for the belt anymore, it will all be up top and easy to adjust/change belts as needed. The engine I put in during the swap was out of an XJ and had a/c on it, I made the mount were it just bolts up where the POS compressor mounted. The york is a right hand suction so I can lay it on it's side and the suction line is up top. I also fabbed up an aluminum tank out of some 6061 pipe, pressure tested it to 250 lbs., might not use it if I can't find a place to mount it. I hope to have it all in before RR, but not sure I'm going to have time to slap the ARB I have had sitting around for my 30 though. Long winded I know but what I was trying to get at is don't be scared to grab a beer and some tools and fab something up. DIY is always more fun, not always cheaper, but it's the way you wanted it.
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Did you buy the bracket for your york? I haven't looked into it much, but if I went this route I'd be making my own. I lost interest in this because of those ridiculous prices of the mounting bracket.
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Will,
I did buy the Kilby bracket. And yes I agonized over it for a long time while my York sat on my workbench. I HATE to spend money without good reason.
Before anyone judges cost vs value, let's look at the big picture. I work in a steel mill. I really like to build stuff. The only other person that has wrenched on my Jeep is the guy that set up my gears. I have welders and torch at the house here. I have done some fab work, and am not scared of failure. My Jeep is an 05 LJ.
To mount the York cleanly in a 4Liter 05 Jeep with air, there is one place that I could see to mount it. That place is right where the alternator is. The Kilby bracket relocates the alternator to a lower spot and locates the York right on top. You use ONE serpentine belt just like stock. The bracket also serves as adjustment mechanism since the tensioner is lost in the squeeze play. And it comes with hardware and serpentine belt.
I know my time is worth what Kilby wants for this "bracket". It lines up two pulleys with the rest of the engine accessories. I haven't been riding with you guys yet, but I sure don't want to be the one to hold up a ride because my pulleys were out of line enough to ruin a belt at a bad time. The bracket is also about 1/4" thick.
How much do you guys make an hour? Fabbing up a bracket, ACCURATELY, with everything square is going to take quite a few of those hours. How much does a 1'x2' piece of plate cost? Don't forget to zinc plate it afterwards. Get the hardware and belt too.
Now if you have a model that can utilize a salvaged bracket (ie: CJs), then who needs an "expensive" bracket. I know that $260 I spent for Mr Kilby's bracket isn't the most foolish money I have spent on this money pit!
YMMV, but despite my doubts, I am satisfied with the bracket I bought.
{toast}Paul
Oh, if I can be of help, I did learn some stuff putting this thing in.
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MDO,
That bracket looks great. I agree with you about the pride in building your own, but also agree that sometimes cost s can get out of hand.
Paul
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I actually thought it was more than that. I really want a York setup. It will be a little further down the road for me I think. I need to regear and get 35s this Christmas.
I may buy a CO2 regulator and use my two 5 pound paintball tanks until then. I get those filled for $5 a piece. {toast}
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I just picked up a YORK 210 from a 240 Volvo at pull-a-part last Thursday. It was like $27 with a 30 day warranty. I was able to cut the hoses long so this should help during the install. It had a double V-Belt clutch, I took it to work and modified that so it will work with a serpentine. Just finished fabbing a mount tonight that is adjustable so I don't have to fight the adjustment on the power steering pump for the belt anymore, it will all be up top and easy to adjust/change belts as needed. The engine I put in during the swap was out of an XJ and had a/c on it, I made the mount were it just bolts up where the POS compressor mounted. The york is a right hand suction so I can lay it on it's side and the suction line is up top. I also fabbed up an aluminum tank out of some 6061 pipe, pressure tested it to 250 lbs., might not use it if I can't find a place to mount it. I hope to have it all in before RR, but not sure I'm going to have time to slap the ARB I have had sitting around for my 30 though. Long winded I know but what I was trying to get at is don't be scared to grab a beer and some tools and fab something up. DIY is always more fun, not always cheaper, but it's the way you wanted it.
How much for you to fab up another bracket?
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I just picked up a YORK 210 from a 240 Volvo at pull-a-part last Thursday. It was like $27 with a 30 day warranty. I was able to cut the hoses long so this should help during the install. It had a double V-Belt clutch, I took it to work and modified that so it will work with a serpentine. Just finished fabbing a mount tonight that is adjustable so I don't have to fight the adjustment on the power steering pump for the belt anymore, it will all be up top and easy to adjust/change belts as needed. The engine I put in during the swap was out of an XJ and had a/c on it, I made the mount were it just bolts up where the POS compressor mounted. The york is a right hand suction so I can lay it on it's side and the suction line is up top. I also fabbed up an aluminum tank out of some 6061 pipe, pressure tested it to 250 lbs., might not use it if I can't find a place to mount it. I hope to have it all in before RR, but not sure I'm going to have time to slap the ARB I have had sitting around for my 30 though. Long winded I know but what I was trying to get at is don't be scared to grab a beer and some tools and fab something up. DIY is always more fun, not always cheaper, but it's the way you wanted it.
How much for you to fab up another bracket?
;D X2
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I just picked up a YORK 210 from a 240 Volvo at pull-a-part last Thursday. It was like $27 with a 30 day warranty. I was able to cut the hoses long so this should help during the install. It had a double V-Belt clutch, I took it to work and modified that so it will work with a serpentine. Just finished fabbing a mount tonight that is adjustable so I don't have to fight the adjustment on the power steering pump for the belt anymore, it will all be up top and easy to adjust/change belts as needed. The engine I put in during the swap was out of an XJ and had a/c on it, I made the mount were it just bolts up where the POS compressor mounted. The york is a right hand suction so I can lay it on it's side and the suction line is up top. I also fabbed up an aluminum tank out of some 6061 pipe, pressure tested it to 250 lbs., might not use it if I can't find a place to mount it. I hope to have it all in before RR, but not sure I'm going to have time to slap the ARB I have had sitting around for my 30 though. Long winded I know but what I was trying to get at is don't be scared to grab a beer and some tools and fab something up. DIY is always more fun, not always cheaper, but it's the way you wanted it.
How much for you to fab up another bracket?
x3! ;D
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Just remember to make sure that bracket orientation will work with your engine/ac setups. I do know there are different brackets for TJs.
KE-1000 1991-1998 Wrangler with AC KE-2000 2000-2006 4.0 Wrangler with AC
KE-1550-5 1991-1995 Wrangler without AC KE-2100 2000-2006 4.0 Wrangler without AC
KE-1550-6 1995-1998 Wrangler without AC KE-2200 '07 Jeep JK
KE-1900 1999 Wrangler with AC KE-8000 1978-1986 CJ 304-360 without AC
KE-1950 1999 Wrangler without AC KE-8004 Fits Jeep V-belt 258 engine without AC
KE-1975 1999 Jeep Wrangler 4.0 & 2.5, and 2000 2.5 only non-AC
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Kilby would probably be cheaper!!! They have everything figured out for most models and engine setups, they also make very high quality stuff. I spent a good bit of time making sure my pulleys would line up, being a machinist I kind of have a habit of doing stuff with tolerances a lot tighter than they need to be. Thanks for the buisiness offer though, I think when I get closer to retirement I will purchase a lathe and a mill to put in my shop to make some side money like that.
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Kilby would probably be cheaper!!! They have everything figured out for most models and engine setups, they also make very high quality stuff. I spent a good bit of time making sure my pulleys would line up, being a machinist I kind of have a habit of doing stuff with tolerances a lot tighter than they need to be. Thanks for the buisiness offer though, I think when I get closer to retirement I will purchase a lathe and a mill to put in my shop to make some side money like that.
I like how yours has an adjuster built into. Did you make that bracket for a jeep with AC or without?
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It's made for a jeep with a/c but not running the a/c, I removed the old a/c compressor and made the base of my mount to bolt up to the two holes that used to hold the old compressor, if that makes since.
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I just picked up a YORK 210 from a 240 Volvo at pull-a-part last Thursday. It was like $27 with a 30 day warranty. I was able to cut the hoses long so this should help during the install. It had a double V-Belt clutch, I took it to work and modified that so it will work with a serpentine. Just finished fabbing a mount tonight that is adjustable so I don't have to fight the adjustment on the power steering pump for the belt anymore, it will all be up top and easy to adjust/change belts as needed. The engine I put in during the swap was out of an XJ and had a/c on it, I made the mount were it just bolts up where the POS compressor mounted. The york is a right hand suction so I can lay it on it's side and the suction line is up top. I also fabbed up an aluminum tank out of some 6061 pipe, pressure tested it to 250 lbs., might not use it if I can't find a place to mount it. I hope to have it all in before RR, but not sure I'm going to have time to slap the ARB I have had sitting around for my 30 though. Long winded I know but what I was trying to get at is don't be scared to grab a beer and some tools and fab something up. DIY is always more fun, not always cheaper, but it's the way you wanted it.
WOW good work 8) i 100% agree DIY is much more sat then off the shelf stuff. i built my own York bracket also and yours puts mine to shame. i might have a few years behind mine but yours tips the scale on the cool factor. mine has zero adjustment just drilled a plate and hoped for the best.
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Here is quick shot of it bolted in, now time for plumbing.
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Thats going to be a sweet set up. That bracket looks good and beefy.
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Alex, I am going to start piecing together a CO2 set up soon. Did you have any problems finding a place that would fill your tank rather than swapping out tanks? How much does it cost to fill yours up?
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NO i didnt have any trouble finding a place just call around to fire extinguisher safety and welding supply places. I think they told me it would be $14 to fill it. Mine can full when i bought it.
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I am going to see if our welding supplier at work can hook me up, I don't think anyone would notice a 15# tank thrown in with tanks for a dozen huge MIGs. I am excited, according to the site that sells PowerTank CO2 set ups, a 15# tank of CO2 is comparable to a 960 gallon compressed air tank, which is probably a little high but close enough - I am too lazy to check the math. The site also says a 15# tank contains 126 cubic feet of gas, so, I should be able to run an impact gun for about 40 minutes on a tank.
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I should be able to run an impact gun for about 40 minutes on a tank.
Continuous? No way. Prove it college boy. Show your math. ;D
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I should be able to run an impact gun for about 40 minutes on a tank.
Continuous? No way. Prove it college boy. Show your math. ;D
Not continuous, total time based on cubic feet of gas in the tank and cfm of an impact. I'm pretty sure the regulator would freeze if you tried to run any air tool for 40 minutes on co2, lol.
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Btw, that 40 minutes was for the cheapest Harbor Freight 3/8" impact wrench with 60 ft-lbs of torque which requires 3 cfm @ 90 psi. For their cheapest 1/2" impact wrench with 250 ft-lbs it requires 5 cfm @ 90 psi. That would be around 25 minutes of total use. I'm sure you could get a lower cfm wrench with more torque, but I wouldn't want to carry a $150 Craftsmen tool onto the trail.
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I should be able to run an impact gun for about 40 minutes on a tank.
Continuous? No way. Prove it college boy. Show your math. ;D
Not continuous, total time based on cubic feet of gas in the tank and cfm of an impact. I'm pretty sure the regulator would freeze if you tried to run any air tool for 40 minutes on co2, lol.
Your hand would be frozen off too!!! :D
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Your hand would be frozen off too!!! :D
(Light Bulb) I think we just found a new way to keep beer ice cold at camp {toast}
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Your hand would be frozen off too!!! :D
(Light Bulb) I think we just found a new way to keep beer ice cold at camp {toast}
A kegirator air tank?
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Your hand would be frozen off too!!! :D
(Light Bulb) I think we just found a new way to keep beer ice cold at camp {toast}
There's our little engineers!!! ;)
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Jimmy I seen a regulator at Harbor Freight for 29.99 and if you still have that coupon............
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(Light Bulb) I think we just found a new way to keep beer ice cold at camp
We used to cool beer at the fire station when we were getting off work with CO2 Ext. Not a cheap way but very quick.
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(Light Bulb) I think we just found a new way to keep beer ice cold at camp
We used to cool beer at the fire station when we were getting off work with CO2 Ext. Not a cheap way but very quick.
They did that on a mythbusters show too.
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Gotta go to Harbor Freight tomorrow to get a bunch of little couplings and crap. I also need to try to find a place in Augusta that will fil it up so I can test it out.
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Hey Jimmy, if you can find a gun or sportsman shop that sells paintball stuff, they will usually have a CO2 tank for refilling the paintball tanks. The one in Lagrange fills my 10 lb tank for like $5. That was 2 years ago. I wish I could figure out who I let borrow my tanks. >:(
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I found a fire extinguisher place that I am going to bring it to on Monday.
Also, I made my high dollar mount. Hope you don't mind that I copied your idea, Alex:
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Looks good man.
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Jimmy, can you spit out one more of those? ;D
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lol, sorry Doug, but I made it using the scrap from the fold-flat floor I made for the truck, no materials left.
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I work for a fire alarm installation company that used to do fire extinguishers / suppression systems before we started subbing that work out. I know we have some old tanks in the back of the warehouse so I will see if there is anything worth while. Maybe I can get a few free tanks! ;)
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Got the tanked filled up today. First thing I did was plug in the impact, and it spun right up ;D This thing is awesome, can't wait to use it for real.
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I work for a fire alarm installation company that used to do fire extinguishers / suppression systems before we started subbing that work out. I know we have some old tanks in the back of the warehouse so I will see if there is anything worth while. Maybe I can get a few free tanks! ;)
If you do I'll take one...haha.
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If you do I'll take one...haha.
I looked this morning and the only tanks we have left are 100-150lbs. >:(
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If you do I'll take one...haha.
I looked this morning and the only tanks we have left are 100-150lbs. >:(
Strap one to the roof of the Jeep. You'll have plenty of air then ;D
Til you roll over, break off the valve, and your Jeep flies off the mountain :-X
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Til you roll over, break off the valve, and your Jeep flies off the mountain :-X
"Just bump it!"
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If you do I'll take one...haha.
I looked this morning and the only tanks we have left are 100-150lbs. >:(
Strap one to the roof of the Jeep. You'll have plenty of air then ;D
Til you roll over, break off the valve, and your Jeep flies off the mountain :-X
Remember, he has a Yota truck. Just mount it in the bed, that way he has a huge tank and the weight will help provide extra traction.
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If you do I'll take one...haha.
I looked this morning and the only tanks we have left are 100-150lbs. >:(
Ill take one for my welder ;D
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I asked about getting a couple of the old tanks and they still have some Halon in them which is very expensive and costs plenty of $$$ to "safely and legally" remove.