Georgia Trail Riders Forum
MEMBERS DISCUSSION AREA => General Discussion => Topic started by: Krawler00 on April 16, 2008, 02:11:01 PM
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I give up on trying to help people out on that site! I know it's a terrible site anyway but I have been trying to explain to these idiots that running a 4" lift with 35's is gonna tear up your front fenders. Guy posted up hey for those of you who thought you can't put 35's on a Jeep here is the proof. Yeah, you can do it but you ain't gonna wheel it! I posted up saying you will have issues with full flex and turning but if you are a mall krawler than ok. So the guy comes back and talks about bumpstops helping. I for one do not get the point in limiting the flex with bump stops! So then you get this moron on there who comes on with I don't know why people associate low lifts and big tires with mall krawling. HELLO! How many of these guys have flexed out on rocks or anything much less a freakin curb!!?? Then he says maybe I am bitter because I spent so much on my lift. WWWWHHHHAAAATTTTT? Freakin morons over there. I wanna see some guy with a 4" lift running 35's actually wheel a Jeep and try turning the wheel while flexed out. NOT GONNA HAPPEN. I know I had to trim my fenders flat to clear my true 33's at full flex and full turning radious. I know every tire is different too. Most are not true heights. I have had 33's that were 32.5" tall so I understand that part. Bunch of freakin morons!! Here is the post as I am done commenting on this!
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=546835
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I ran 35's on my 4" lifted TJ. ???
But I am with you on hating JF.
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Yeah, I know you had it on your TJ. Did you also have a BL? I know if you flex out it will rub, no big deal. What I was trying to get across to these guys is that if you wheel it flex it and try to turn your wheel at full flex it will cause problems. My lift is more than 3.5", probably a 4" plus my 1"BL and if I had not trimmed my fenders i would have never been able to turn the wheel more than one full turn while flexed. I cut into my tires the first time I tried flexin out. Now it will work for going straight and flexing, but not turned while under a full discoed flex. Just don't get the bumpstop thing either. Why limit the flex? Just go down a tire size! Size is not always better! :D
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I did have a 1" body lift. I never had any problems rubbing bad enough to mess anything up. Just the sound of the tire rubbing the soft plastic fender flare. It had to be flexed to the max to do it, but truthfully, you will rarely find yourself turned full lock at full flex. I know it sounds fishy, but it is rare. Heck, I know guys running 35's on 3" lifts and wheeling successfully. ;D
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Alex does. Adams jeep worked great, 35" and 3.5" springs. Bumpstops do help. It just limits the up travel not the flex. Once you hit the bumpstop with the one side the other side of the axles can still fall to full droop. If you have to much bumpstop you limit the up travel on the suspension and on bumpy roads you may feel it alittle more when the suspension bottoms out. I hate JF as well.
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I just bring to the table my expierience with my situation. I must have some serious flex then! I would have torn my fender off if I had not trimmed. When I was running my 2"BB and 33's I bent that lip under the fender with the plastic trim up about 2 inches after full flex. So I guess I have a real good flexin Jeep. Need to get it scored someday. But I give on offering advice to the JF. Yes, rarely do you full flex and full turn... but I like to know if it were to happen I will clear without any problems. I just like to make sure I get the max flex and still am able to run without problems. That is another reason why I have not and probably will not move up to 35's. That and axles, gears etc.
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Sounds like you don't have enough bump stop.
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x2^
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I am good now. No rubbing at all. Happy with my 33's too. Other than the warranty sucks. >:( I guess I figure I bought the lift as is to run 33's so no need to adjust bump stops etc. I like my setup. Now I could probably run a 35 with little to no problems but I do not choose to alter the setup I have. If it works for me that's all that matters. And that goes for everyone elses setups too. Love to go to a 35" but not on a dana 35 and 30. Maybe one day. I just choose not to rub! :D
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I have 3 inches and 35s ;D
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Any issues? I just can't see it working, but everybody is different.
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I am good now. No rubbing at all. Happy with my 33's too. Other than the warranty sucks. >:( I guess I figure I bought the lift as is to run 33's so no need to adjust bump stops etc. I like my setup. Now I could probably run a 35 with little to no problems but I do not choose to alter the setup I have. If it works for me that's all that matters. And that goes for everyone elses setups too. Love to go to a 35" but not on a dana 35 and 30. Maybe one day. I just choose not to rub! :D
If its not broke dont fix it. ;D
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I have 3 inches.
T............M.............I :D
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Well my jeep dpesnt have any fenders so i dont have any problems. I to hate jeep forum. I had one of my thread for my 44 closed because they are idiots. I tell them to not post unless they are interested. They ask what do you mean interested?
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Any issues? I just can't see it working, but everybody is different.
Ben, remember one thing. As I said at Tellico when we were all discussing the ORO Swayloc, flex isn't all what it's cracked up to be. Most people think because they can drop an axle to China that they are accomplishing something impressive. More importantly than flex is traction. A disconnected swaybar equals a loss of traction (or force of traction). Most folks overlook good traction for the ability to drop an axle and look cool. Thats why an offroad swaybar does wonders for traction, even if it does limit the flex a small bit.
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I understand that. Just not sure as to how less travel is better in that sense. Unless the wheel dropped to "China" :D is the loss of traction. Then I can understand. Yes, flex looks cool but if it hinders somewhat what is the best correction?
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What Chris said it right. I don't have a sway bar in the front but flex isn't everything. I also don't think the up travel has anything to do with flex. The guy in that thread has more problems with 4.5" of backspacing that the lift IMO.
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I have to say when I see that pic of his Jeep and look at those flares I think... no way that will flex. It looks like a mall crawler to me. But hey, to each his own.
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I also just like it as low as can be nln. When i go 37's i will not have anymore lift. Shoot the guy who is helping me build the links jeep isnt any higher that mine and it is on 40's. Yes his fenders have been modified buy it is still low and works great.
(http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=346757&stc=1&d=1200270976)
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The guy in that thread has more problems with 4.5" of backspacing that the lift IMO.
Bingo.
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Sweet rig! I agree lower is better. I like a low center of gravity for sure! I am hoping to get my belly up real soon. I may add a 3/4" spacer all around and that will be it.
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Sweet rig! I agree lower is better. I like a low center of gravity for sure! I am hoping to get my belly up real soon. I may add a 3/4" spacer all around and that will be it.
The belly up is one of the best mods for a Jeep hands down. HURRY UP, "Mr. IGOTHUNGUPFRONTCENTERANDREAR" :D ;D
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Krawler00 take a deep breath, the guy who started that thread agreed with you. The other guy is just an Ass hat.
I like highline type setups as well as moderate lift setups.
I will be putting a rear sway bar (broke the stocker) on Tj asap, my TJ is too loose .
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Sweet rig! I agree lower is better. I like a low center of gravity for sure! I am hoping to get my belly up real soon. I may add a 3/4" spacer all around and that will be it.
I sometimes wished I was on 37's but the 60's demand 40's. Well ok the truth is I bulldoze rocks with the 60's on anything less than a 40.
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Shave them.
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Shave them.
Won't help. There is a problem located somewhere between the steering wheel, driver seat and gas/brake pedals.
I just have to keep telling myself that 60's will break too. ;D
I knocked a dent out (mostly) of my front cover this last maintenance session. :o Got to buy the 3/16 cover soon.
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Speaking of which, when will the TJ be trail ready again? Wanna hit Aetna next Saturday the 26th?
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Krawler00 take a deep breath, the guy who started that thread agreed with you. The other guy is just an Ass hat.
I like highline type setups as well as moderate lift setups.
I will be putting a rear sway bar (broke the stocker) on Tj asap, my TJ is too loose .
Yeah, that guy agreed with me. That was the part I was happy about. The ASS HAT is the one who got me pissed. Idiot. I bet he wheels over alot of curbs in Kansas somewhere!
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Speaking of which, when will the TJ be trail ready again? Wanna hit Aetna next Saturday the 26th?
Wheeling is out for a week or two. :(
Waiting on shocks and T-case bracket to show up.
Running (Makes me laugh too) in a 3k marathon on the 26th and I will be leaving for http://www.kingandprince.com/ early on the 27th for a week.
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Join the club! :D
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Ha, ya'll are thinking too small. 3/16", 1/4" pfft. Get the 3/8" thick one.
http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/dana-60-d70-375-one-piece-differential-cover-p-87.html
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I know this thread has slightly changed topics, but back to the original topic: limiting up travel doesn't limit droop very much, if it all from what I've seen in my short year of wheeling. I can see it being more of a limiting factor if you have short arms, but with long arms I don't think a lack of up travel would affect droop at all. Hell, I have a 4.5" short arm lift on 35's (which is fairly low in XJ land - 3" can be done on 35's though) and I can still drop the front springs off the upper spring perch. Alex completely lost a spring at River Rock in February and as discussed already, his rig is low, even though it seriously needs some spring retainers ;D