Post by: Trailabite on September 03, 2019, 09:09:12 AM
Post by: Chris36l on September 03, 2019, 09:16:53 AM
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Post by: Trailabite on September 03, 2019, 09:30:53 AM
To reopen as an off-road Park, or 80’s style resort retreat?
As an off road park
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Post by: BigMike on September 03, 2019, 09:31:09 AM
I heard others did due diligence and the numbers didn’t add up for a loan.
Post by: Trailabite on September 03, 2019, 09:31:40 AM
GMP?
Golden Mountain
Post by: Trailabite on September 03, 2019, 09:35:39 AM
Golden Mountain Park
I heard others did due diligence and the numbers didn’t add up for a loan.
She has dropped the price down to $850,000 for 326 acres, which is only $2,600 an acre. doesn't seem crazy. There are some issues, some of the property has been labeled as commercial by the county, which raises the taxes. Also, a lot of maintenance will need to be done up front.
Post by: Blue J on September 03, 2019, 09:39:17 AM
Several of those buildings could be fixed with a bulldozer though.
Post by: patman on September 03, 2019, 09:42:19 AM
To reopen as an off-road Park, or 80’s style resort retreat?
As an off road park
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I hope it pans out. One of my favorite places to wheel
Post by: Trailabite on September 03, 2019, 09:59:28 AM
I've seen a few deer there. Could lease a few tracts out for hunting or open the track back up.
Several of those buildings could be fixed with a bulldozer though.
I don't know if it would really make enough money on deer hunting. I would have to think the people in TN have plenty of places to hunt for free. And to attract people out of state you would have to have some sort of deer management program, which is another whole business.
With that huge pavilion on top I would think with the right marketing and advertisement a person could make decent money off of it. Advertise the hell out of for wedding venues. And by advertising I would just go buy a database dump of all the wedding planners in the US and start hitting them up. Let them do all of the work, just rent the pavilion out for $4k a pop. There is a huge market for this. Another idea would be to hit big time corporations for team building efforts. Build a few obstacle course for them to play on and do whatever or offer some sort of off-roading event. Either build a couple of buggies that can carry passengers or just make a deal with some of the locals to take them out on the trails. A couple of concerts through out the year. A big Halloween bash with some awesome hayrides through the trails at night.
The race track has all kinds of opportunity as well. Derbies, truck and tractor pulls, tough truck course. Running any actual races at night could pose a potential noise problem with the neighbors, being that it's at the bottom there.
Not that I have given this much thought lol.
Post by: clark123456 on September 03, 2019, 10:06:10 AM
The pavilion rental idea would require a good amount of paving to make it accessible by normal cars. Of course, the pavilion and the bathhouse need some love...it was really getting run down the last time I was there.I've seen a few deer there. Could lease a few tracts out for hunting or open the track back up.
Several of those buildings could be fixed with a bulldozer though.
I don't know if it would really make enough money on deer hunting. I would have to think the people in TN have plenty of places to hunt for free. And to attract people out of state you would have to have some sort of deer management program, which is another whole business.
With that huge pavilion on top I would think with the right marketing and advertisement a person could make decent money off of it. Advertise the hell out of for wedding venues. And by advertising I would just go buy a database dump of all the wedding planners in the US and start hitting them up. Let them do all of the work, just rent the pavilion out for $4k a pop. There is a huge market for this. Another idea would be to hit big time corporations for team building efforts. Build a few obstacle course for them to play on and do whatever or offer some sort of off-roading event. Either build a couple of buggies that can carry passengers or just make a deal with some of the locals to take them out on the trails. A couple of concerts through out the year. A big Halloween bash with some awesome hayrides through the trails at night.
The race track has all kinds of opportunity as well. Derbies, truck and tractor pulls, tough truck course. Running any actual races at night could pose a potential noise problem with the neighbors, being that it's at the bottom there.
Not that I have given this much thought lol.
Chuck...make it happen!
Post by: patman on September 03, 2019, 10:07:40 AM
Not that I have given this much thought, but I did inquire about buying it for the above reasons
FIFY
Post by: Trailabite on September 03, 2019, 10:16:00 AM
Not that I have given this much thought, but I did inquire about buying it for the above reasons
FIFY
Ha, well, Jayne is out of town this week. When she returns she is sending me an old business plan that her husband had put together and a couple of years worth of cash flows. I can't do it $850,000, but she did say that was open to offers. She just wants out of it asap. Her husband died back in 2013 and she has fully retired and has moved to Alabama.
Post by: patman on September 03, 2019, 10:25:47 AM
Not that I have given this much thought, but I did inquire about buying it for the above reasons
FIFY
Ha, well, Jayne is out of town this week. When she returns she is sending me an old business plan that her husband had put together and a couple of years worth of cash flows. I can't do it $850,000, but she did say that was open to offers. She just wants out of it asap. Her husband died back in 2013 and she has fully retired and has moved to Alabama.
I like where this is headed! Would love to see it reopen
Post by: 8lugLJ on September 03, 2019, 10:46:34 AM
Post by: j3ff3ry_j33p on September 03, 2019, 08:25:21 PM
potential there for a super park
Post by: Blue J on September 04, 2019, 08:50:59 AM
what a great dream . I believe if the right person(s) were to acquire that place , they could possibly surpass the financial success of AOP. It's quite unique, centrally located & vast.
potential there for a super park
Jeffery.....you could drain one of those ponds, add concrete and have a nice bowl to skate!
Post by: j3ff3ry_j33p on September 04, 2019, 09:30:10 AM
what a great dream . I believe if the right person(s) were to acquire that place , they could possibly surpass the financial success of AOP. It's quite unique, centrally located & vast.
potential there for a super park
Jeffery.....you could drain one of those ponds, add concrete and have a nice bowl to skate!
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Post by: BigMike on September 04, 2019, 09:39:17 AM
Post by: Raisinhead on September 04, 2019, 10:29:36 AM
Post by: Blue J on September 04, 2019, 10:35:00 AM
There may be interest in the local communities for other involvement.
Could the property be subdivided?
Post by: Trailabite on September 04, 2019, 11:59:58 AM
I have contacted an organization called National Off-Highway Vehicle Conservation Council (NOHVCC). They help provide information to folks starting off road clubs and parks.
Post by: BigMike on September 04, 2019, 12:15:32 PM
Other than financing, the biggest issue is insurance. Apparently, there have been a lot of changes just in the past year that is causing the prices to sky rocket to upwards of $20k or more annually. The more stuff that you have on the property the higher the insurance is. The no. 1 issue is alcohol on the trials. People need to be cognoscente of what they post on the internet picture and video wise. Issue no. 2 is lawyers. If someone dies from an accident their are lawyers that will reach out to family members or spouses that did not sign the park waiver, and will use them to try and sue the park. Even though the lawyer doesn't have a leg to stand on the insurance will usually settle just to close the case. Which in turn raises rates or forces a cancellation of insurance.
I have contacted an organization called National Off-Highway Vehicle Conservation Council (NOHVCC). They help provide information to folks starting off road clubs and parks.
Having a good lawyer draw up the waiver would be a good start. A big sign at the entrance announcing the risk (Death or Injury) from taking part in activities. Also, signs along all trails warning people and stating NO ALCOHOL ON TRAILS.
The second part, a properly run park will not have anyone inside that does not have a signed waiver and appropriate wrist band to match the area they paid to attend. AOP now states that if you do not have a signed waiver at the office and have paid to be there, you are trespassing. You can get sued no matter what, it’s reducing the risk.
Post by: 8lugLJ on September 04, 2019, 04:03:36 PM
Post by: j3ff3ry_j33p on September 05, 2019, 10:50:14 AM
Seems like anymore the risk vs. reward for ANY sort of business involving dealing with the general public is almost impossible to insure reasonably. Im paying north of $8k pr year just for the body shop and storage facility, and still had to jump through hoops and have multiple inspections. Still any lawyer worth their salt is going to find loopholes if enough money is involved in an accident, no matter the waiver or signage. Its a sad state we live in, and its just going to get worse Im afraid. Is there any advantage to some sort of clause stating you have to be a member, whether its a club membership or a member of the riding area itself? Like Rousch Creek, we had to "join" for an additional fee, that has to have some sort of advantage, if nothing else it helps pay for the insurance itself. Also, and I personally hate that it has come to this, but if you hire some sort of "security" to "check" people or keep an eye out for suspicious activity (like Windrock has), that would have to make a difference in the liability.
indeed, it is lame but has come-to that level of failed responsibility that there have to be security or trail-bosses for anything such as this. I was looking into the legal reqs & state regulations for trying to open a park up here & the liability was gonna be the bigger headache than land acquisitioin . Most of us saw Karen & the folks at AOP go thru the BS of what occurs - when that level of protection is not enforced thoroughly -when those two near-recipients of the Darwin Award during CFR19 decided to illegally crash the gate & slip their buggy or sidexside in w/out paying, ultimately costing the park and taxpayers for their stupidity, ntm being lucky to live. It is tough these days, to be sure.
(edit: dude. that is expensive insurance ..had no idea bodyshops had to pay that rate...ridiculous!)
Post by: Trailabite on September 05, 2019, 11:38:36 AM
They will also provide the release waiver for the park.
She made a comment that a lot of the smaller parks don't carry any insurance and rely on waivers alone. [no] I wouldn't go this route but, TN is one of those states that highly enforces waivers and they also have laws in place that provides protection for OHV areas, public and privately owned, against prosecution.
Post by: patman on September 05, 2019, 11:48:54 AM
Just curious
Post by: Trailabite on September 05, 2019, 12:09:27 PM
Chuck, you have any long term plan of retiring and living at the park?
Just curious
Absolutely!
Post by: patman on September 05, 2019, 12:15:03 PM
Chuck, you have any long term plan of retiring and living at the park?
Just curious
Absolutely!
Party at chuck's!
Post by: Trailabite on September 05, 2019, 02:51:30 PM
Slow down hot rod. lolChuck, you have any long term plan of retiring and living at the park?
Just curious
Absolutely!
Party at chuck's!
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Post by: patman on September 05, 2019, 03:19:12 PM
Slow down hot rod. lolChuck, you have any long term plan of retiring and living at the park?
Just curious
Absolutely!
Party at chuck's!
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Too late, I'm on my way
Post by: Raisinhead on September 05, 2019, 05:23:42 PM
Slow down hot rod. lolChuck, you have any long term plan of retiring and living at the park?
Just curious
Absolutely!
Party at chuck's!
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Wow, get it right Pat. Party at Sherry’s!
Post by: Big Dave on September 05, 2019, 06:20:33 PM
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Post by: Mortalis5509 on September 06, 2019, 03:30:58 AM
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Post by: Trailabite on September 06, 2019, 05:49:15 AM
My wife is a commerical real estate appraiser for Suntrust. I can get her to do a eval. Just gotta remember to ask.Cool, I'll let you know after this weekend.
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Post by: Mortalis5509 on September 06, 2019, 06:13:05 AM
Depending on the county she may have access to all the files online unless you have to go to the courthouse to pull info.My wife is a commerical real estate appraiser for Suntrust. I can get her to do a eval. Just gotta remember to ask.Cool, I'll let you know after this weekend.
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She should still be able to get an evaluation based on satellite info at the least.
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Post by: Trailabite on September 06, 2019, 08:29:48 AM
White County.Depending on the county she may have access to all the files online unless you have to go to the courthouse to pull info.My wife is a commerical real estate appraiser for Suntrust. I can get her to do a eval. Just gotta remember to ask.Cool, I'll let you know after this weekend.
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She should still be able to get an evaluation based on satellite info at the least.
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Post by: DOUG on September 06, 2019, 09:06:32 AM
Current interest rates should make this possible for you with low interest financing. Loan of 700,000 (you might have to establish residency) at $3340 a month. Incorporate, keep 51% for 100% control, you have all of the voting shares lol , start selling shares....You'll pay 51% of the payment ($1703, only 42 vehicle days @ $40/day)) and I'm sure 20 GATR members would like in and would pay $81.83 a month each for a 2.45% share! Split all other expenses. Hire a local manager.
What are the property taxes?
No income tax for you when you relocate in TN right?
Post by: patman on September 06, 2019, 09:24:43 AM
I'm sure 20 GATR members would like in and would pay $81.83 a month each for a 2.45% share! Split all other expenses. Hire a local manager.
I'm out.
$1k a year for a place that's 6 hours away, or ~$50 per weekend if I showed up and pay to wheel like everyone else. Doubt I'd make the drive 20 times a year to break even at that rate
Post by: Trailabite on September 06, 2019, 09:37:12 AM
Wish it was closer.
Current interest rates should make this possible for you with low interest financing. Loan of 700,000 (you might have to establish residency) at $3340 a month. Incorporate, keep 51% for 100% control, you have all of the voting shares lol , start selling shares....You'll pay 51% of the payment ($1703, only 42 vehicle days @ $40/day)) and I'm sure 20 GATR members would like in and would pay $81.83 a month each for a 2.45% share! Split all other expenses. Hire a local manager.
What are the property taxes?
No income tax for you when you relocate in TN right?
Doug, you need to change your logo to a minivan!
One of our thoughts is to relocate there. Set up a residence and Sherry would act as the Park Manager. I have a neighbor that has his basement completely finished for a live in, we would rent that to have a place here while I work during the week. Not sure if the park could ever generate enough cash to where it could be a full time job.
I haven't thought about selling shares. I was thinking on something like a deer lease. $1000 for 2 yrs and or $500 for one yr. That would include unlimited trips along with primitive camping. This would probably benefit the locals more than anyone. When you take into consideration, ATV's, motor cycles and SXS's this could generate a healthy cash flow up front.
Post by: patman on September 06, 2019, 09:45:19 AM
Wish it was closer.
Current interest rates should make this possible for you with low interest financing. Loan of 700,000 (you might have to establish residency) at $3340 a month. Incorporate, keep 51% for 100% control, you have all of the voting shares lol , start selling shares....You'll pay 51% of the payment ($1703, only 42 vehicle days @ $40/day)) and I'm sure 20 GATR members would like in and would pay $81.83 a month each for a 2.45% share! Split all other expenses. Hire a local manager.
What are the property taxes?
No income tax for you when you relocate in TN right?
Doug, you need to change your logo to a minivan!
One of our thoughts is to relocate there. Set up a residence and Sherry would act as the Park Manager. I have a neighbor that has his basement completely finished for a live in, we would rent that to have a place here while I work during the week. Not sure if the park could ever generate enough cash to where it could be a full time job.
I haven't thought about selling shares. I was thinking on something like a deer lease. $1000 for 2 yrs and or $500 for one yr. That would include unlimited trips along with primitive camping. This would probably benefit the locals more than anyone. When you take into consideration, ATV's, motor cycles and SXS's this could generate a healthy cash flow up front.
A huge benefit of a few locals that come often is being notified quickly if something is wrong, like burst pipes, structural damage from trees etc.
Gulches ORP has a few "rangers" that work part of a day then ride the rest for free. Usually they run through the trails and clear them and do some of the easy work that's just time consuming
Post by: Raisinhead on September 06, 2019, 09:47:58 AM
I'm sure 20 GATR members would like in and would pay $81.83 a month each for a 2.45% share! Split all other expenses. Hire a local manager.
I'm out.
$1k a year for a place that's 6 hours away, or ~$50 per weekend if I showed up and pay to wheel like everyone else. Doubt I'd make the drive 20 times a year to break even at that rate
Change up the numbers a bit and a membership or loyalty program might make sense for more people. It’d be cool to do a scaling membership fee based on location. For example $200/yr if you live X miles away, $500/yr for locals etc. It would be interesting to run the park for a bit and analyze the data rather than just handwritten sign-in.
I’d like to see the financials for Rousch. We happily paid $50 per day + membership and the place was packed....and it rained.
Post by: Big Dave on September 06, 2019, 09:52:01 AM
I'd level them all except the huge pavillion. Keep it for weddings.
I'd "allow" folks to bring in their own campers or tiny houses & let them leave them there in exchange for "lot rent". You could also rent them out for them & charge them a maintenance fee.
The owners of the camper/tiby house would cover the insurance on their own.
Post by: Blue J on September 06, 2019, 12:09:43 PM
Post by: BigMike on September 06, 2019, 12:12:04 PM
As far as a work around for the insurance on the "structures ".
I'd level them all except the huge pavillion. Keep it for weddings.
I'd "allow" folks to bring in their own campers or tiny houses & let them leave them there in exchange for "lot rent". You could also rent them out for them & charge them a maintenance fee.
The owners of the camper/tiby house would cover the insurance on their own.
That is some good thinking Dave!
The "lots" wouldn't cost much to build. Concrete or gravel pad with RV hook ups. You'd need water/septic for the tiny houses though.
Post by: Big Dave on September 06, 2019, 12:41:36 PM
The tiny houses could be strategically located near a bath house & either lock up the bathroom or turn it into a storage room/bedroom.As far as a work around for the insurance on the "structures ".
I'd level them all except the huge pavillion. Keep it for weddings.
I'd "allow" folks to bring in their own campers or tiny houses & let them leave them there in exchange for "lot rent". You could also rent them out for them & charge them a maintenance fee.
The owners of the camper/tiby house would cover the insurance on their own.
That is some good thinking Dave!
The "lots" wouldn't cost much to build. Concrete or gravel pad with RV hook ups. You'd need water/septic for the tiny houses though.
Post by: Scott F. on September 06, 2019, 02:45:56 PM
Chuck to help you with your down payment on the loan, I will gift you $50. That helps get you close enough to go through with the purchase right? lmao
Post by: Big Dave on September 06, 2019, 03:10:33 PM
Post by: clark123456 on September 06, 2019, 07:12:12 PM
As far as a work around for the insurance on the "structures ".The smaller pavilion we use is nice, if you don't worry about electrical issues.
I'd level them all except the huge pavillion. Keep it for weddings.
I'd "allow" folks to bring in their own campers or tiny houses & let them leave them there in exchange for "lot rent". You could also rent them out for them & charge them a maintenance fee.
The owners of the camper/tiby house would cover the insurance on their own.
The upper one needs some love...lots of love.
The crapper is better than Morris', but so are 99.9% of truck stop bathrooms.
For goodness sakes...if you put in new toilets, get the oblong ones!
I would have a hard time justifying $50/day for Golden. Rausch, after the fact, was worth every freaking penny...I wasn't pleased when I had to pay their crazy rates before knowing how awesome it was.
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Post by: patman on September 06, 2019, 07:30:03 PM
As far as a work around for the insurance on the "structures ".The smaller pavilion we use is nice, if you don't worry about electrical issues.
I'd level them all except the huge pavillion. Keep it for weddings.
I'd "allow" folks to bring in their own campers or tiny houses & let them leave them there in exchange for "lot rent". You could also rent them out for them & charge them a maintenance fee.
The owners of the camper/tiby house would cover the insurance on their own.
The upper one needs some love...lots of love.
The crapper is better than Morris', but so are 99.9% of truck stop bathrooms.
For goodness sakes...if you put in new toilets, get the oblong ones!
I would have a hard time justifying $50/day for Golden. Rausch, after the fact, was worth every freaking penny...I wasn't pleased when I had to pay their crazy rates before knowing how awesome it was.
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If you're referring to my $50, I meant for the weekend... so $25/day
Post by: Big Dave on September 06, 2019, 07:30:44 PM
Charge a flat fee per rig, camping included. Seatbelts must be worn at all times. Meaning, a rig with 5 sets of seatbelts will only hold 5 people.
Post by: clark123456 on September 06, 2019, 07:33:43 PM
Imagine that, a millennial thinking it's all himself.As far as a work around for the insurance on the "structures ".The smaller pavilion we use is nice, if you don't worry about electrical issues.
I'd level them all except the huge pavillion. Keep it for weddings.
I'd "allow" folks to bring in their own campers or tiny houses & let them leave them there in exchange for "lot rent". You could also rent them out for them & charge them a maintenance fee.
The owners of the camper/tiby house would cover the insurance on their own.
The upper one needs some love...lots of love.
The crapper is better than Morris', but so are 99.9% of truck stop bathrooms.
For goodness sakes...if you put in new toilets, get the oblong ones!
I would have a hard time justifying $50/day for Golden. Rausch, after the fact, was worth every freaking penny...I wasn't pleased when I had to pay their crazy rates before knowing how awesome it was.
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If you're referring to my $50, I meant for the weekend... so $25/day
I was following up on Jay's comment, without direct reference.
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Post by: Big Dave on September 06, 2019, 07:53:25 PM
Damn kids, get off my lawn!!!!Imagine that, a millennial thinking it's all himself.As far as a work around for the insurance on the "structures ".The smaller pavilion we use is nice, if you don't worry about electrical issues.
I'd level them all except the huge pavillion. Keep it for weddings.
I'd "allow" folks to bring in their own campers or tiny houses & let them leave them there in exchange for "lot rent". You could also rent them out for them & charge them a maintenance fee.
The owners of the camper/tiby house would cover the insurance on their own.
The upper one needs some love...lots of love.
The crapper is better than Morris', but so are 99.9% of truck stop bathrooms.
For goodness sakes...if you put in new toilets, get the oblong ones!
I would have a hard time justifying $50/day for Golden. Rausch, after the fact, was worth every freaking penny...I wasn't pleased when I had to pay their crazy rates before knowing how awesome it was.
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If you're referring to my $50, I meant for the weekend... so $25/day
I was following up on Jay's comment, without direct reference.
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Post by: Chris36l on September 07, 2019, 10:58:25 AM
Should have quoted it.........Imagine that, a millennial thinking it's all himself.As far as a work around for the insurance on the "structures ".The smaller pavilion we use is nice, if you don't worry about electrical issues.
I'd level them all except the huge pavillion. Keep it for weddings.
I'd "allow" folks to bring in their own campers or tiny houses & let them leave them there in exchange for "lot rent". You could also rent them out for them & charge them a maintenance fee.
The owners of the camper/tiby house would cover the insurance on their own.
The upper one needs some love...lots of love.
The crapper is better than Morris', but so are 99.9% of truck stop bathrooms.
For goodness sakes...if you put in new toilets, get the oblong ones!
I would have a hard time justifying $50/day for Golden. Rausch, after the fact, was worth every freaking penny...I wasn't pleased when I had to pay their crazy rates before knowing how awesome it was.
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If you're referring to my $50, I meant for the weekend... so $25/day
I was following up on Jay's comment, without direct reference.
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Post by: clark123456 on September 07, 2019, 11:02:52 AM
Yeah...good point...more quotes are better, don't you agree?Should have quoted it.........Imagine that, a millennial thinking it's all himself.As far as a work around for the insurance on the "structures ".The smaller pavilion we use is nice, if you don't worry about electrical issues.
I'd level them all except the huge pavillion. Keep it for weddings.
I'd "allow" folks to bring in their own campers or tiny houses & let them leave them there in exchange for "lot rent". You could also rent them out for them & charge them a maintenance fee.
The owners of the camper/tiby house would cover the insurance on their own.
The upper one needs some love...lots of love.
The crapper is better than Morris', but so are 99.9% of truck stop bathrooms.
For goodness sakes...if you put in new toilets, get the oblong ones!
I would have a hard time justifying $50/day for Golden. Rausch, after the fact, was worth every freaking penny...I wasn't pleased when I had to pay their crazy rates before knowing how awesome it was.
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If you're referring to my $50, I meant for the weekend... so $25/day
I was following up on Jay's comment, without direct reference.
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Post by: Chris36l on September 07, 2019, 11:07:45 AM
I do, the longer the betterYeah...good point...more quotes are better, don't you agree?Should have quoted it.........Imagine that, a millennial thinking it's all himself.As far as a work around for the insurance on the "structures ".The smaller pavilion we use is nice, if you don't worry about electrical issues.
I'd level them all except the huge pavillion. Keep it for weddings.
I'd "allow" folks to bring in their own campers or tiny houses & let them leave them there in exchange for "lot rent". You could also rent them out for them & charge them a maintenance fee.
The owners of the camper/tiby house would cover the insurance on their own.
The upper one needs some love...lots of love.
The crapper is better than Morris', but so are 99.9% of truck stop bathrooms.
For goodness sakes...if you put in new toilets, get the oblong ones!
I would have a hard time justifying $50/day for Golden. Rausch, after the fact, was worth every freaking penny...I wasn't pleased when I had to pay their crazy rates before knowing how awesome it was.
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If you're referring to my $50, I meant for the weekend... so $25/day
I was following up on Jay's comment, without direct reference.
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Post by: patman on September 07, 2019, 12:51:32 PM
Yeah...good point...more quotes are better, don't you agree?Should have quoted it.........Imagine that, a millennial thinking it's all himself.As far as a work around for the insurance on the "structures ".The smaller pavilion we use is nice, if you don't worry about electrical issues.
I'd level them all except the huge pavillion. Keep it for weddings.
I'd "allow" folks to bring in their own campers or tiny houses & let them leave them there in exchange for "lot rent". You could also rent them out for them & charge them a maintenance fee.
The owners of the camper/tiby house would cover the insurance on their own.
The upper one needs some love...lots of love.
The crapper is better than Morris', but so are 99.9% of truck stop bathrooms.
For goodness sakes...if you put in new toilets, get the oblong ones!
I would have a hard time justifying $50/day for Golden. Rausch, after the fact, was worth every freaking penny...I wasn't pleased when I had to pay their crazy rates before knowing how awesome it was.
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If you're referring to my $50, I meant for the weekend... so $25/day
I was following up on Jay's comment, without direct reference.
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Post by: clark123456 on September 07, 2019, 12:55:40 PM
That does make sense, and I think I've been burned by not quoting before.Yeah...good point...more quotes are better, don't you agree?Should have quoted it.........Imagine that, a millennial thinking it's all himself.As far as a work around for the insurance on the "structures ".The smaller pavilion we use is nice, if you don't worry about electrical issues.
I'd level them all except the huge pavillion. Keep it for weddings.
I'd "allow" folks to bring in their own campers or tiny houses & let them leave them there in exchange for "lot rent". You could also rent them out for them & charge them a maintenance fee.
The owners of the camper/tiby house would cover the insurance on their own.
The upper one needs some love...lots of love.
The crapper is better than Morris', but so are 99.9% of truck stop bathrooms.
For goodness sakes...if you put in new toilets, get the oblong ones!
I would have a hard time justifying $50/day for Golden. Rausch, after the fact, was worth every freaking penny...I wasn't pleased when I had to pay their crazy rates before knowing how awesome it was.
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If you're referring to my $50, I meant for the weekend... so $25/day
I was following up on Jay's comment, without direct reference.
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Post by: tjsahara00 on September 09, 2019, 09:39:04 AM
That does make sense, and I think I've been burned by not quoting before.Yeah...good point...more quotes are better, don't you agree?Should have quoted it.........Imagine that, a millennial thinking it's all himself.As far as a work around for the insurance on the "structures ".The smaller pavilion we use is nice, if you don't worry about electrical issues.
I'd level them all except the huge pavillion. Keep it for weddings.
I'd "allow" folks to bring in their own campers or tiny houses & let them leave them there in exchange for "lot rent". You could also rent them out for them & charge them a maintenance fee.
The owners of the camper/tiby house would cover the insurance on their own.
The upper one needs some love...lots of love.
The crapper is better than Morris', but so are 99.9% of truck stop bathrooms.
For goodness sakes...if you put in new toilets, get the oblong ones!
I would have a hard time justifying $50/day for Golden. Rausch, after the fact, was worth every freaking penny...I wasn't pleased when I had to pay their crazy rates before knowing how awesome it was.
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If you're referring to my $50, I meant for the weekend... so $25/day
I was following up on Jay's comment, without direct reference.
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All this does is take up space.....but don't quote me on that
Post by: Chris36l on September 09, 2019, 09:52:07 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190909/2175b91907150f2c1caa9619a5e1f620.jpg)That does make sense, and I think I've been burned by not quoting before.Yeah...good point...more quotes are better, don't you agree?Should have quoted it.........Imagine that, a millennial thinking it's all himself.As far as a work around for the insurance on the "structures ".The smaller pavilion we use is nice, if you don't worry about electrical issues.
I'd level them all except the huge pavillion. Keep it for weddings.
I'd "allow" folks to bring in their own campers or tiny houses & let them leave them there in exchange for "lot rent". You could also rent them out for them & charge them a maintenance fee.
The owners of the camper/tiby house would cover the insurance on their own.
The upper one needs some love...lots of love.
The crapper is better than Morris', but so are 99.9% of truck stop bathrooms.
For goodness sakes...if you put in new toilets, get the oblong ones!
I would have a hard time justifying $50/day for Golden. Rausch, after the fact, was worth every freaking penny...I wasn't pleased when I had to pay their crazy rates before knowing how awesome it was.
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If you're referring to my $50, I meant for the weekend... so $25/day
I was following up on Jay's comment, without direct reference.
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Post by: Big Dave on September 09, 2019, 11:40:56 AM
Starting small conversations with my banking friends today. I'm pretty sure this will be about as afar as it will go though. I played with the numbers all weekend and no matter how you look at it, it would be a tough haul. The lady that has it now owns the property out right and according to the P&L reports for the last 3 years the park was in the red, deep red I might add. So now you throw in the cost of the land, that mountain just got a whole lot steeper.Thank you for the updates & making a honest effort to keep this park alive.
I wonder how Ralph over at Black Moose keeps his shirt AND still allow people to use his park?
Minimum donations?
My pockets are deep but only full of lint.
Post by: tjsahara00 on September 09, 2019, 11:52:49 AM
If they want(?) to make a "donation" to help maintain....
Post by: Big Dave on September 09, 2019, 11:59:42 AM
He invites friends over.....Gotcha.
If they want(?) to make a "donation" to help maintain....
I'm pretty sure if someone bought GMP they'd have lots of friends too
Post by: Trailabite on September 09, 2019, 12:11:17 PM
I received an email from someone that offered to help connect me with different sponsors for events. Apparently, there is a list of folks looking to play at GMP.
Post by: DOUG on September 09, 2019, 01:48:42 PM
I wonder how Ralph over at Black Moose keeps his shirt AND still allow people to use his park?
Ralph has no worries, he's a very wealthy man and President of Skaltek. Great story, he's a high school drop out that worked for his dad in Sweden and grew their family business to a global power in their industry.
Post by: tjsahara00 on September 09, 2019, 01:52:49 PM
Post by: clark123456 on September 09, 2019, 02:02:52 PM
I wonder how Ralph over at Black Moose keeps his shirt AND still allow people to use his park?
Ralph has no worries, he's a very wealthy man and President of Skaltek. Great story, he's a high school drop out that worked for his dad in Sweden and grew their family business to a global power in their industry.
http://www.skaltek.se/skaltek-team/skaltek-team-america/
Post by: Big Dave on September 09, 2019, 02:17:16 PM
Wow! I had no idea. Cool dude.I wonder how Ralph over at Black Moose keeps his shirt AND still allow people to use his park?
Ralph has no worries, he's a very wealthy man and President of Skaltek. Great story, he's a high school drop out that worked for his dad in Sweden and grew their family business to a global power in their industry.
Post by: Trailabite on September 10, 2019, 09:55:12 AM
Post by: Will on September 10, 2019, 09:59:56 AM
Well, made a verbal offer last night, now it's a waiting game.
Say whhhuuuuuttttt???? Heck yea dude. Good luck!
Post by: Blue J on September 10, 2019, 10:08:49 AM
Well, made a verbal offer last night, now it's a waiting game.
Say whhhuuuuuttttt???? Heck yea dude. Good luck!
So how much are shares going for?
Post by: Raisinhead on September 10, 2019, 10:11:43 AM
Well, made a verbal offer last night, now it's a waiting game.
Whoop whoop!!
Post by: Mortalis5509 on September 10, 2019, 10:31:16 AM
Land value or income approach would be the lending value. She could not do the income approach without financial records. If it's in the red as you say, they will probably only lend on land value and comps sold around that.
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Post by: Trailabite on September 10, 2019, 10:41:07 AM
Well, made a verbal offer last night, now it's a waiting game.
Whoop whoop!!
Like I said earlier, I don't think it will go anywhere. I basically just told her where I would need to be, which is not close to her $850k asking price.
Her $850k asking price is not bad considering the appraisal value is $1.4M. Even with this much equity banks are leery on giving out loans for land and most of them want at least 30% down, some are 50%. Then on top of that most banks will only go 15 yrs, which is probably not a bad deal if you can afford the payments.
Post by: Trailabite on September 10, 2019, 10:49:00 AM
Post by: Mortalis5509 on September 10, 2019, 10:54:26 AM
My wife through a quick $1 million as land value with improvements from an aerial view. Said that was a ballpark number though.Well, made a verbal offer last night, now it's a waiting game.
Whoop whoop!!
Like I said earlier, I don't think it will go anywhere. I basically just told her where I would need to be, which is not close to her $850k asking price.
Her $850k asking price is not bad considering the appraisal value is $1.4M. Even with this much equity banks are leery on giving out loans for land and most of them want at least 30% down, some are 50%. Then on top of that most banks will only go 15 yrs, which is probably not a bad deal if you can afford the payments.
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Post by: Trailabite on September 10, 2019, 11:06:47 AM
My wife through a quick $1 million as land value with improvements from an aerial view. Said that was a ballpark number though.Well, made a verbal offer last night, now it's a waiting game.
Whoop whoop!!
Like I said earlier, I don't think it will go anywhere. I basically just told her where I would need to be, which is not close to her $850k asking price.
Her $850k asking price is not bad considering the appraisal value is $1.4M. Even with this much equity banks are leery on giving out loans for land and most of them want at least 30% down, some are 50%. Then on top of that most banks will only go 15 yrs, which is probably not a bad deal if you can afford the payments.
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She was spot on! Land = $1,051,423 and Buildings = $371,208.
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Post by: Trailabite on September 10, 2019, 01:05:01 PM
3k+ per ac in the middle of nowhere TN... guess I'll wait for the next recession before I buy more land
What if it was half that?
Post by: Trailabite on September 10, 2019, 01:43:02 PM
"Coalmont OHV Park Logo Contest
Background: The city of Coalmont, Tennessee purchased 1,330 acres of land in October 2017 using Federal Recreational Trail Program (RTP), motorized trail funds for an Off-Highway Vehicle Park located in southeast Grundy County. The intent and purpose for purchasing these tracts was for natural resource protection and the development of an off-highway vehicle park with a sustainable trail system.
. In January 2019 the City receiver an RTP construction grant to build the park. They are currently contracting an Engineering firm to design the trail head, obtain required permits, build a bath house and septic system. The parking area, most of the utility work, camping areas, the pavilion and trail construction will be done by SFWDA volunteers. We hope to start construction this summer. If you would like to see the exact location of the park enter “Coalmont OHV” into google maps."
Coalmont is 1 hour away from Sparta and 45 minutes from AOP!
Post by: TravisMac on September 10, 2019, 02:06:11 PM
Post by: Trailabite on September 10, 2019, 02:21:08 PM
Found this when looking for info on Coalmont. Page 93 includes their financial analysis - may be some assumptions in there that help you make a decision http://farmermorgan.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Coalmont_TN_OHV-Park_Business-Plan.pdf
Yep, I already copied for reference lol. 10k permits @ $16 a day. I can't imagine 10,000 rigs annually. I would say they are dreaming but I did talk with Brandon (owner of SMORR's) and he claims to have averaged 50k rigs coming through his gates for the past 3 years. SMORR's is also 2k acres.
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Post by: Big Dave on September 10, 2019, 04:16:52 PM
Post by: BigPrince on September 10, 2019, 05:00:46 PM
3k+ per ac in the middle of nowhere TN... guess I'll wait for the next recession before I buy more land
What if it was half that?
At face value, $1500/ac would be a good investment if you can float the payment as you mentioned, business or not.
Post by: Trailabite on September 10, 2019, 05:19:56 PM
Well, made a verbal offer last night, now it's a waiting game.
That didn't take long, she responded and is willing to negotiate!!!!!!! Heading up there Saturday to have a look around. STILL DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.
Post by: flashover101 on September 10, 2019, 05:44:32 PM
Good luck!Well, made a verbal offer last night, now it's a waiting game.
That didn't take long, she responded and is willing to negotiate!!!!!!! Heading up there Saturday to have a look around. STILL DOESN'T"T MEAN ANYTHING.
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Post by: tcdawg on September 10, 2019, 05:45:47 PM
Post by: clark123456 on September 10, 2019, 09:15:16 PM
I would worry about the competition, but not too much if you're park and their park are good. The crappy parks are the ones that need to worry. I have no need to go to a few of the parks because they're a waste of my time. I could always trade Morris for a better park, even if it is a bit further of a drive...except this month ;)
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Post by: j3ff3ry_j33p on September 11, 2019, 08:14:22 AM
you got no shortage of help , to be sure.
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Post by: patman on September 11, 2019, 09:31:57 PM
Does anyone happen to have an old trail map for GMP?It got a little wet... date on bottom left says October 2014, but they were still handing this version out at their final ride last summer(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190912/3bd5e87a0ecfa1347931aa246ed0597f.jpg)
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Post by: Trailabite on September 13, 2019, 09:43:28 AM
I'm still heading down there tomorrow to have a look around and will keep moving forward though.
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Post by: Big Dave on September 13, 2019, 10:49:51 AM
Supposed to be a bunch of stuff stolen off the property. That could be a good bargaining element.
Honestly, I would not care. Bulldoze everything or convert them to bath houses. Keep the bunkhouse at the racetrack. Use it as free housing for the employee working there plus shitty pay. Only have RV spots. Its close enough to town to get a hotel or camp.
Good luck Chuck n Sherry
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Post by: Big Dave on September 13, 2019, 12:07:05 PM
@Trailabite May have to just take a quick run through the Jungle and Razorback as part of your due diligence. ;-) Good luck.Yrs, it would not be sufficient evaluation if you could not see the condition of existing trails & the lay of the land.
BRING A CHAINSAW!!!!!
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Post by: patman on September 13, 2019, 08:26:45 PM
Checking out the local drag strip(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190914/410d7e5223df0c4664182d080e855f8c.jpg)
@tcdawg I didnt know you were going to be there!
Post by: tcdawg on September 14, 2019, 08:55:02 AM
Checking out the local drag strip(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190914/410d7e5223df0c4664182d080e855f8c.jpg)
@tcdawg I didnt know you were going to be there!
That’s Sherry’s dad. He’s a bad ass. We are basically the same age though, the way you can tell us apart is that I’m taller
Post by: TravisMac on September 14, 2019, 08:56:12 AM
http://www.hardlinecrawlers.com/forums/index.php?topic=59570.300
Post by: Trailabite on September 14, 2019, 03:29:28 PM
Apparently, the rain washed out an area on the side of the main blacktop road that exposed the water line and someone ran over it during the Dixie run and crushed it. The line was fixed but it is still exposed and the run off damage still needs to be repaired.
There's a ton of upfront maintenance needed!
Met with the guy that has been working the park for years. He said I was the 4th person in the last 3 weeks to come look at it. He thought one of them was supposed reach out to Jayne today and make an offer.
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Post by: patman on September 14, 2019, 03:37:35 PM
It's amazing how tall grass and weeds can grow. The area kind of looks like a walking dead episode lol.
Apparently, the rain washed out an area on the side of the main blacktop road that exposed the water line and someone ran over it during the Dixie run and crushed it. The line was fixed but it is still exposed and the run off damage still needs to be repaired.
There's a ton of upfront maintenance needed!
Met with the guy that has been working the park for years. He said I was the 4th person in the last 3 weeks to come look at it. He thought one of them was supposed reach out to Jayne today and make an offer.
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Where does that leave you? Too much work or still interested?
Post by: xjcrawler on September 14, 2019, 03:50:40 PM
He said I was the 4th person in the last 3 weeks to come look at it. He thought one of them was supposed reach out to Jayne today and make an offer.
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Did he say if the other interested parties were going to keep it an off-road park?
Post by: Trailabite on September 14, 2019, 04:02:54 PM
@xjcrawler- he said they all were asking if he would stay on so I'm assuming all interest is to keep it for off road use.
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Post by: clark123456 on September 14, 2019, 06:57:44 PM
@patman - it depends in what I can get from the bank.He's a nice guy.
@xjcrawler- he said they all were asking if he would stay on so I'm assuming all interest is to keep it for off road use.
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Post by: Trailabite on September 15, 2019, 12:09:49 AM
When the Randolph's bought it, it was popular for its baseball fields. For some reason, the Randolph's, decided to get rid of them and put in the race track. The race track was in business a little over a year. Due to lack of maintenance the racers stopped coming.
A few years later they (Randolph's) purchased the upper section, which is where all the trails are.
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Post by: clark123456 on September 15, 2019, 10:26:19 AM
Does anyone have experience with what it might cost to redo a blacktop road? I would say the road leading to the top is about 1/4 mile long.Chuck, I think a two lane street costs about a million per mile for a government. I'm sure that includes surveys, studies, under the table payoffs, etc.
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I'd actually see if you can get a quote via takl.
Here's some more info: https://www.angieslist.com/articles/how-much-does-it-cost-install-asphalt-driveway.htm
Driveways on a slope or ones with odd shapes or lengths can add to the cost, contractors say. For example, an asphalt driveway that runs a quarter-mile long can cost up to $50,000, according to CostHelper
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Post by: Mortalis5509 on September 15, 2019, 03:44:24 PM
Does anyone have experience with what it might cost to redo a blacktop road? I would say the road leading to the top is about 1/4 mile long.Ashley said: ballpark $0.75 - $1 a square foot. Rough estimate
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Post by: clark123456 on September 15, 2019, 04:53:20 PM
So, 1,250 x 10 x $1? $12k...not anywhere close to what the internet said...the internet tells lies!Does anyone have experience with what it might cost to redo a blacktop road? I would say the road leading to the top is about 1/4 mile long.Ashley said: ballpark $0.75 - $1 a square foot. Rough estimate
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Post by: Mortalis5509 on September 15, 2019, 04:56:23 PM
I just asked for a guess. A lot of variables come into play honestly.So, 1,250 x 10 x $1? $12k...not anywhere close to what the internet said...the internet tells lies!Does anyone have experience with what it might cost to redo a blacktop road? I would say the road leading to the top is about 1/4 mile long.Ashley said: ballpark $0.75 - $1 a square foot. Rough estimate
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Post by: Blue J on September 15, 2019, 05:56:30 PM
So, 1,250 x 10 x $1? $12k...not anywhere close to what the internet said...the internet tells lies!Does anyone have experience with what it might cost to redo a blacktop road? I would say the road leading to the top is about 1/4 mile long.Ashley said: ballpark $0.75 - $1 a square foot. Rough estimate
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The internet adds for extras like curbs and permits. .75-$1 is what it will cost if you hire a contractor.
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Post by: patman on September 16, 2019, 03:44:39 PM
What's the scoop on windrock? 72k acres and over 300 miles of trails seems like it should be our MOAB of the East coast.
Nice cabins, lots of trails. Huuuge park, and you can spend all day driving in between the decent trails. You really need someone who's been there before to help guide or you'll miss all the good stuff
Post by: jc79 on September 16, 2019, 03:49:12 PM
What's the scoop on windrock? 72k acres and over 300 miles of trails seems like it should be our MOAB of the East coast.
Chuck's buying Windrock, too.
Post by: Trailabite on September 16, 2019, 03:59:50 PM
What's the scoop on windrock? 72k acres and over 300 miles of trails seems like it should be our MOAB of the East coast.
Chuck's buying Windrock, too.
lol, nope. Just researching and trying to understand the difference between parks.
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Post by: DOUG on September 16, 2019, 06:08:29 PM
Is it privately owned?
owned by a Coal Company. The entire place is a coal and gas mine. They close sections when they need to mine it or blast.
http://www.coalcreekcompany.com/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.entrepreneur.com/amphtml/224266
Post by: clark123456 on September 16, 2019, 06:36:39 PM
Post by: Trailabite on September 17, 2019, 10:22:45 AM
Is it privately owned?
owned by a Coal Company. The entire place is a coal and gas mine. They close sections when they need to mine it or blast.
http://www.coalcreekcompany.com/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.entrepreneur.com/amphtml/224266
Blasting would be fun! I wonder what kind of trails we could make using dynamite?
Post by: Trailabite on September 17, 2019, 11:40:28 AM
Post by: Raisinhead on September 17, 2019, 11:42:42 AM
Not really sure what's going on with that FB group. Per Jayne, no one has made an official offer yet. My offer was verbal and so far seems to be the only one made. Oh, and I submitted my paper work to the bank yesterday!
Dude, that’s awesome! Good luck!
Post by: patman on September 17, 2019, 11:44:02 AM
Not really sure what's going on with that FB group. Per Jayne, no one has made an official offer yet. My offer was verbal and so far seems to be the only one made. Oh, and I submitted my paper work to the bank yesterday!
What fb group?
Post by: Trailabite on September 17, 2019, 12:03:06 PM
Not really sure what's going on with that FB group. Per Jayne, no one has made an official offer yet. My offer was verbal and so far seems to be the only one made. Oh, and I submitted my paper work to the bank yesterday!
What fb group?
https://www.facebook.com/groups/387172528077795/2161234840671546/?comment_id=2227697790691917¬if_id=1568378111001250¬if_t=group_comment_follow
Post by: Trailabite on September 17, 2019, 12:10:34 PM
This is for this forum only, please do not share outside of here.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190917/38d4c6d6ca2a3507496a932eba93178e.jpg)
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Post by: Mortalis5509 on September 17, 2019, 12:14:06 PM
Good luck.
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Good luck! 👍
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Post by: j3ff3ry_j33p on September 18, 2019, 08:14:31 AM
I'm super excited for you ,Chuck. All of us are pulling for you on this amazing prospect. DO IT ,man!
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Post by: Trailabite on September 27, 2019, 07:02:57 PM
Since she already shut it down the bank will not consider the business side of it. They will only provide a loan based on a purchase price and then because it's mostly land the bank wants 35% down of the purchase price.
Its fading away!
The biggest issue with it is, as a business, the return on it sucks. Very high risk with very little return.
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Post by: Big Dave on September 27, 2019, 08:32:25 PM
Post by: Raisinhead on September 27, 2019, 10:31:02 PM
Post by: clark123456 on September 27, 2019, 10:38:15 PM
Post by: Trailabite on September 29, 2019, 11:01:50 AM
Here's a section from the appraisal. This is not the kind of language a bank likes to see.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190929/e0b348faa8f588a7520f37ad51183780.jpg)
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Post by: Trailabite on October 08, 2019, 01:45:59 PM
Post by: patman on October 08, 2019, 01:54:03 PM
I just received a text message from the FB group letting me know they just pulled out as well. I'm trying to talk hem in to making her a low ball offer lol.
Cant you make a lowball offer?
Joking aside, it sucks this place isn't really going anywhere. Think it will ever be saved? Foreclosed? Or is it doomed to be overgrown and wait to be bought for 30 years?
Post by: Trailabite on October 08, 2019, 03:00:55 PM
I just received a text message from the FB group letting me know they just pulled out as well. I'm trying to talk hem in to making her a low ball offer lol.
Cant you make a lowball offer?
Joking aside, it sucks this place isn't really going anywhere. Think it will ever be saved? Foreclosed? Or is it doomed to be overgrown and wait to be bought for 30 years?
I'm going to watch it and if nobody shows up I might throw in a low ball offer next spring. Of course, the upfront maintenance will be worst, especially if we have a wet winter.
Post by: Anvilsam on October 08, 2019, 03:14:00 PM
I just received a text message from the FB group letting me know they just pulled out as well. I'm trying to talk hem in to making her a low ball offer lol.
Cant you make a lowball offer?
Joking aside, it sucks this place isn't really going anywhere. Think it will ever be saved? Foreclosed? Or is it doomed to be overgrown and wait to be bought for 30 years?
I'm going to watch it and if nobody shows up I might throw in a low ball offer next spring. Of course, the upfront maintenance will be worst, especially if we have a wet winter.
Just curious. What do you think the number will be for her to sell?
Post by: patman on October 08, 2019, 03:19:33 PM
Post by: Cannonballkev on October 08, 2019, 03:34:26 PM
Tell her you have a 30 member REIT who wish to tour the property for one weekend to sample the goods before making a decision
31!
Post by: 8lugLJ on October 08, 2019, 03:39:02 PM
I just received a text message from the FB group letting me know they just pulled out as well. I'm trying to talk hem in to making her a low ball offer lol.
Cant you make a lowball offer?
Joking aside, it sucks this place isn't really going anywhere. Think it will ever be saved? Foreclosed? Or is it doomed to be overgrown and wait to be bought for 30 years?
I'm going to watch it and if nobody shows up I might throw in a low ball offer next spring. Of course, the upfront maintenance will be worst, especially if we have a wet winter.
no worries there, between a few of us i think we could gather the equipment and spend a weekend getting it in shape pretty easy.
Post by: Trailabite on October 08, 2019, 03:55:42 PM
I just received a text message from the FB group letting me know they just pulled out as well. I'm trying to talk hem in to making her a low ball offer lol.
Cant you make a lowball offer?
Joking aside, it sucks this place isn't really going anywhere. Think it will ever be saved? Foreclosed? Or is it doomed to be overgrown and wait to be bought for 30 years?
I'm going to watch it and if nobody shows up I might throw in a low ball offer next spring. Of course, the upfront maintenance will be worst, especially if we have a wet winter.
Just curious. What do you think the number will be for her to sell?
Right now, she has dropped her price from $850k to $575k. To make it work as a business it needs to be around $375k
Post by: patman on October 08, 2019, 03:57:07 PM
I just received a text message from the FB group letting me know they just pulled out as well. I'm trying to talk hem in to making her a low ball offer lol.
Cant you make a lowball offer?
Joking aside, it sucks this place isn't really going anywhere. Think it will ever be saved? Foreclosed? Or is it doomed to be overgrown and wait to be bought for 30 years?
I'm going to watch it and if nobody shows up I might throw in a low ball offer next spring. Of course, the upfront maintenance will be worst, especially if we have a wet winter.
Just curious. What do you think the number will be for her to sell?
Right now, she has dropped her price from $850k to $575k. To make it work as a business it needs to be around $375k
That's honestly a lot cheaper than I expected
Post by: Trailabite on October 08, 2019, 04:01:50 PM
Post by: Raisinhead on October 08, 2019, 09:09:23 PM
Tell her you have a 30 member REIT who wish to tour the property for one weekend to sample the goods before making a decision
I'm gonna need to go once or twice a year for a few years to see if I'm ready to invest.
Post by: Danny Kinder on December 12, 2019, 12:58:33 PM
I just received a text message from the FB group letting me know they just pulled out as well. I'm trying to talk hem in to making her a low ball offer lol.
Cant you make a lowball offer?
Joking aside, it sucks this place isn't really going anywhere. Think it will ever be saved? Foreclosed? Or is it doomed to be overgrown and wait to be bought for 30 years?
I'm going to watch it and if nobody shows up I might throw in a low ball offer next spring. Of course, the upfront maintenance will be worst, especially if we have a wet winter.
Just curious. What do you think the number will be for her to sell?
Right now, she has dropped her price from $850k to $575k. To make it work as a business it needs to be around $375k
Wow, that's a lot less than I would have thought. It needs some maintenance for sure, but the off-road park will supplement a little income while the rest of the place is updated. Especially if you can get the bouncers up there drawing in crowds like AOP did at first. The circle track is there, just needs some cleaning and probably a new intercom system and such. The real work will be the wedding and events sections. But a good (cheaper) carpenter can knock most of that out.
Post by: Big Dave on December 12, 2019, 03:57:14 PM
The uge pavilion would be the only building I'd leave erect.
Post by: Trailabite on January 10, 2020, 09:26:23 AM
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/6338-Golden-Mountain-Rd-Sparta-TN-38583/219784994_zpid/
Post by: lt99ls1 on February 21, 2020, 06:33:16 AM
Post by: patman on February 21, 2020, 07:01:38 AM
According to Hardline, GMP was bought and going to reopen! I hope this is for real.
Excellent news!
Post by: Trailabite on February 21, 2020, 08:38:58 AM
According to Hardline, GMP was bought and going to reopen! I hope this is for real.
Excellent news!
I contacted Jayne last night and she did confirm that the property is under contract.
Post by: clark123456 on February 21, 2020, 09:01:27 AM
boo, and yea!According to Hardline, GMP was bought and going to reopen! I hope this is for real.
Excellent news!
I contacted Jayne last night and she did confirm that the property is under contract.
Post by: Scott F. on February 21, 2020, 09:02:13 AM
Post by: Big Dave on February 21, 2020, 01:32:00 PM
Post by: tcdawg on February 21, 2020, 07:58:24 PM
Excited to wheel there again. Not so excited about the drive.
The drive? 3 hours basically.
Post by: Big Dave on February 21, 2020, 08:46:09 PM
3 hours & 40 minutes for me.Excited to wheel there again. Not so excited about the drive.
The drive? 3 hours basically.
I swear it was 4 to 4.5 in the bus.
Post by: Raisinhead on February 21, 2020, 08:56:49 PM
Post by: patman on February 21, 2020, 10:04:57 PM
One of the best parks in southeast IMO. Stoked that’s it’s reopening.
Ditto
And quality parks are worth the drive!
Post by: Big Dave on February 21, 2020, 11:18:18 PM
You have a farther drive than I do. I'll be quite.One of the best parks in southeast IMO. Stoked that’s it’s reopening.
Ditto
And quality parks are worth the drive!
Post by: steve.workman on February 26, 2020, 12:45:50 PM
Post by: tjsahara00 on February 26, 2020, 12:56:28 PM
Post by: jd30005 on February 26, 2020, 02:36:50 PM
Great news.....just wish I had a rig to ride there (like I used to)You can always fix that. ;-)
Post by: Raisinhead on February 26, 2020, 03:11:36 PM
Great news.....just wish I had a rig to ride there (like I used to)You can always fix that. ;-)
Yup, lots of comments lately about missing it. Time to come back to the dark side.
Post by: tjsahara00 on February 27, 2020, 03:59:13 AM
Great news.....just wish I had a rig to ride there (like I used to)You can always fix that. ;-)
Yup, lots of comments lately about missing it. Time to come back to the dark side.
Wife just retired at 55 and I got 3 more years
so just let all that retirement $$$ keep growing.
I'm definitely old enough my wants won't kill me!
Post by: lt99ls1 on February 27, 2020, 08:54:14 AM
You already have a truck and trailer, Buy a beater trail rig.Great news.....just wish I had a rig to ride there (like I used to)You can always fix that. ;-)
Yup, lots of comments lately about missing it. Time to come back to the dark side.
Wife just retired at 55 and I got 3 more years
so just let all that retirement $$$ keep growing.
I'm definitely old enough my wants won't kill me!
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Post by: Jeepster1407 on February 27, 2020, 11:14:30 AM
You already have a truck and trailer, Buy a beater trail rig.
[imwstupid]
Post by: tjsahara00 on February 27, 2020, 11:27:45 AM
Post by: Big Dave on February 27, 2020, 04:24:16 PM
I'll sail you a 2 door XJ fer cheap. You know what it will do.You already have a truck and trailer, Buy a beater trail rig.Great news.....just wish I had a rig to ride there (like I used to)You can always fix that. ;-)
Yup, lots of comments lately about missing it. Time to come back to the dark side.
Wife just retired at 55 and I got 3 more years
so just let all that retirement $$$ keep growing.
I'm definitely old enough my wants won't kill me!
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Post by: clark123456 on February 27, 2020, 05:03:38 PM
to tight with my $ now daysGotta be tighter if the Coronavirus keeps mucking with the markets.
Post by: tjsahara00 on February 28, 2020, 03:36:48 AM
I'll sail you a 2 door XJ fer cheap. You know what it will do.You already have a truck and trailer, Buy a beater trail rig.Great news.....just wish I had a rig to ride there (like I used to)You can always fix that. ;-)
Yup, lots of comments lately about missing it. Time to come back to the dark side.
Wife just retired at 55 and I got 3 more years
so just let all that retirement $$$ keep growing.
I'm definitely old enough my wants won't kill me!
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Actually I thought about asking if you wanted
to trade for the camper in the beginning.....
Post by: Big Dave on February 28, 2020, 07:31:19 AM
Eww....I'll sail you a 2 door XJ fer cheap. You know what it will do.You already have a truck and trailer, Buy a beater trail rig.Great news.....just wish I had a rig to ride there (like I used to)You can always fix that. ;-)
Yup, lots of comments lately about missing it. Time to come back to the dark side.
Wife just retired at 55 and I got 3 more years
so just let all that retirement $$$ keep growing.
I'm definitely old enough my wants won't kill me!
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Actually I thought about asking if you wanted
to trade for the camper in the beginning.....
Not THAT cheep
Post by: steve.workman on March 03, 2020, 08:45:19 AM
this was on hardline
Post by: clark123456 on March 03, 2020, 09:18:55 AM
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Post by: Danny Kinder on March 04, 2020, 05:08:22 PM
Post by: TravisMac on July 18, 2020, 11:59:46 PM
Post by: patman on July 19, 2020, 12:09:42 AM
Do dirt tracks run 52 weekends a year?
Post by: Raisinhead on July 19, 2020, 01:27:16 AM
Post by: TravisMac on July 19, 2020, 07:45:55 AM
Post by: tcdawg on July 19, 2020, 12:53:32 PM
Sorry bros.That’s a buzz kill right there.
Post by: Trailabite on September 09, 2023, 02:12:02 PM
https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/6338-Golden-Mountain-Rd-Sparta-TN-38583/219784994_zpid/
Post by: extremetownie on September 10, 2023, 08:09:17 AM
Post by: patman on September 10, 2023, 09:21:32 AM
Well they actually worked on the dirt track. Ran a couple races with very low attendance and then closed it and put it up for sale. I personally know someone who had a 1.8 million dollar contract on the place. They went to closing and the owner backed out wanting another $500,000.00. Word around is he is not a respectable fellow.
That sucks. I'd love to see it open back up as an offroad park but that might be difficult at a $2MM+ price tag