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MEMBERS DISCUSSION AREA => General Discussion => Topic started by: OscarMike2.0 on March 14, 2014, 07:28:56 PM
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I havent purchased these parts yet but wanted to know if anyone had any thoughts on them
-RCV Ultimate Jeep JK Dana 30 CV Axles
-Dana 44 JK Rear Chromoly Axle Kit -Non Rubicon (10-Year Warranty)
-Synergy MFG Jeep JK Heavy Duty Front Ball Joint Complete Set (Driver and Passenger)
-Artec Industries JK Front Axle ARMOR KIT
-Artec Industries JK Rear Axle Truss
-Riddler Differential Cover D30
-Riddler Differential Cover D44
-Raceline RT231 Monster Premium Cast Aluminum Beadlock Wheel
-Toyo 37x13.50R17LT, Open Country M/T
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I havent purchased these parts yet but wanted to know if anyone had any thoughts on them
-RCV Ultimate Jeep JK Dana 30 CV Axles
-Dana 44 JK Rear Chromoly Axle Kit -Non Rubicon (10-Year Warranty)
-Synergy MFG Jeep JK Heavy Duty Front Ball Joint Complete Set (Driver and Passenger)
-Artec Industries JK Front Axle ARMOR KIT
-Artec Industries JK Rear Axle Truss
-Riddler Differential Cover D30
-Riddler Differential Cover D44
-Raceline RT231 Monster Premium Cast Aluminum Beadlock Wheel
-Toyo 37x13.50R17LT, Open Country M/T
1. Love the RCV's, run them in a D30 and D60
2. Go with a big name rear shaft so that if something happens will be easy to exchange them
3. Whats wrong with the factory? Reason they need to be changed? Spicer is fine IF they need to changed out.
4. Anything from Artec is good
5. Some of the aftermarket diff covers have clearance issue with the track bars. Do the research to see if those are an issue.
6. Raceline, they are one of my sponsors so good stuff
7. Tires, I like the nitto trail grapplers over those. Very similar design and I wanna say the nitto may be lighter.
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When running the RCV's in the Dana 30, what is the weak link? The ring gear? Driveshaft?
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I was under the idea that factory ball joints sucked am I wrong? And the rear axle shafts are by Ten I must have forgotten to mention that.
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When running the RCV's in the Dana 30, what is the weak link? The ring gear? Driveshaft?
Ring gear via carrier and housing deflection. I think RCV's in a 30 is plain silly, IMO.
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That would be some expensive polish. LOL.
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What do you guys recommend then I want to strengthen my axles or possibly just buy a new front one. Thoughts?
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Everything else with some chromos and u joints. You could consider all money and labor spent on all this compared to buying a 44 or 60 already built.
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You have likely stumbled into a religious discussion...everyone is correct in their own mind.
If you don't go with rcv, then a quality brand of chromoly axles. That will allow you to keep your factory axle shafts as spares, if you do not change the spline counts.
You may consider adding C supports to the d30 if they aren't included in the two Artec things you are planning to buy. I have an Artec truss on one of my axles...they are very nice.
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Sleeves or a truss.
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When running the RCV's in the Dana 30, what is the weak link? The ring gear? Driveshaft?
Ring gear via carrier and housing deflection. I think RCV's in a 30 is plain silly, IMO.
I don't think so, IMO. There is less bind when a front locker is engaged so therefore it's easier to turn. When it breaks, they won't take your ball joint out. I have given pure hell to mine. I will pick the front end of the jeep up with one 37" stickie tire and away they turn. U joint is stressed when it hard over and easier to break especially if it hits an undercut.
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I was under the idea that factory ball joints sucked am I wrong? And the rear axle shafts are by Ten I must have forgotten to mention that.
Ten Factory, good chromoly axles. They will warranty bent rear flanges...keep your receipt, if you go with that big Toyo you'll bend one eventually.
Artec trusses are super nice. Just make sure you use someone that knows what they are doing for the weld in install, a bad welder can bend your axles and end up doing more harm than good.
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When running the RCV's in the Dana 30, what is the weak link? The ring gear? Driveshaft?
Ring gear via carrier and housing deflection. I think RCV's in a 30 is plain silly, IMO.
I don't think so, IMO. There is less bind when a front locker is engaged so therefore it's easier to turn. When it breaks, they won't take your ball joint out. I have given pure hell to mine. I will pick the front end of the jeep up with one 37" stickie tire and away they turn. U joint is stressed when it hard over and easier to break especially if it hits an undercut.
Every time a u joint breaks it doesn't separate a ball joint. Cheaper to replace when they if/ do break, and you can have spares at every parts store ever.
I think they're awesome in a 44 or 60, but the 30 is so small that I don't a point. The ring gear is small compared to a 44.
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When running the RCV's in the Dana 30, what is the weak link? The ring gear? Driveshaft?
Ring gear via carrier and housing deflection. I think RCV's in a 30 is plain silly, IMO.
I don't think so, IMO. There is less bind when a front locker is engaged so therefore it's easier to turn. When it breaks, they won't take your ball joint out. I have given pure hell to mine. I will pick the front end of the jeep up with one 37" stickie tire and away they turn. U joint is stressed when it hard over and easier to break especially if it hits an undercut.
Every time a u joint breaks it doesn't separate a ball joint. Cheaper to replace when they if/ do break, and you can have spares at every parts store ever.
I think they're awesome in a 44 or 60, but the 30 is so small that I don't a point. The ring gear is small compared to a 44.
I agree. A nice set of chromo shafts like Ten Factory in a D30 is a smart play.
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When running the RCV's in the Dana 30, what is the weak link? The ring gear? Driveshaft?
Ring gear via carrier and housing deflection. I think RCV's in a 30 is plain silly, IMO.
I don't think so, IMO. There is less bind when a front locker is engaged so therefore it's easier to turn. When it breaks, they won't take your ball joint out. I have given pure hell to mine. I will pick the front end of the jeep up with one 37" stickie tire and away they turn. U joint is stressed when it hard over and easier to break especially if it hits an undercut.
Every time a u joint breaks it doesn't separate a ball joint. Cheaper to replace when they if/ do break, and you can have spares at every parts store ever.
I think they're awesome in a 44 or 60, but the 30 is so small that I don't a point. The ring gear is small compared to a 44.
I agree it doesn't but saying that it's a possibility.
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If you got the money, rcv is gonna be the best shaft upgrade regardless of the axle. Why go with something in the middle when you can afford the best. On that thought as long as you know that you won't go larger than 37s or swap to larger axle down the road, then nothing wrong with polishing a d30. Not a bad axle in real life when you treat them right. Most get replaced long before the owner ever breaks something serious.
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If you got the money, rcv is gonna be the best shaft upgrade regardless of the axle. Why go with something in the middle when you can afford the best. On that thought as long as you know that you won't go larger than 37s or swap to larger axle down the road, then nothing wrong with polishing a d30. Not a bad axle in real life when you treat them right. Most get replaced long before the owner ever breaks something serious.
Honestly I could afford to buy a d60 front and rear (not to be cocky) but I dont see the point. I will never run anything bigger than 37s or 38s and I dont really do an hardcore offroading. I would much rather put the money from a front and rear d60 into my porsche or a ripp supercharger
So enough rambling but I think I will stay with everything I had on my original list
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I thought 35's were seriously pushing the limits on a locked Dana 30. I've never seen your off road habits & driving style but if you think you'll ever want 38's you need to just go 1 tons. IMO.
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If you got the money, rcv is gonna be the best shaft upgrade regardless of the axle. Why go with something in the middle when you can afford the best. On that thought as long as you know that you won't go larger than 37s or swap to larger axle down the road, then nothing wrong with polishing a d30. Not a bad axle in real life when you treat them right. Most get replaced long before the owner ever breaks something serious.
Honestly I could afford to buy a d60 front and rear (not to be cocky) but I dont see the point. I will never run anything bigger than 37s or 38s and I dont really do an hardcore offroading. I would much rather put the money from a front and rear d60 into my porsche or a ripp supercharger
So enough rambling but I think I will stay with everything I had on my original list
If you can roll a 60, then do it. I can tell you know that a D30 or D44 really don't like 37's and bigger if you know how to use the skinny. If I'm backing down something, its usually coming back on at full speed. I would run the rock jock hp60 front and rock jock 60 rear. Sale your stock stuff. In the long run it won't break easily, the price won't be that different by the time you order all the trusses, lockers, steering, track bar, and on on for your current set up. That's me
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I was in a similar situation last year. I was getting ready to beef up my d30 with locker, shafts, truss, etc. I decided that long term it may be a bad decision since I will eventually go to 37s and resale on a built d30 is not great. I decided to spend a little more and go with a built pr44. Good luck with the decision.
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The 38" tires are typically real wide, 14.50. It's pretty much like running a 40 with the cutting/trimming, bump stops and weight. The 37" tire offers more selection, less money and it's a more "typical" size...if you ever needed to borrow a trail spare
It's much more likely someone will have a 37 than a 38.
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On the trail, could you compensate for the size difference with air pressure (over inflate the 37, under inflate the 38; obviously with enough pressure to hold a bad) and get through the trail?
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I'm sure you could just to get off the trail. I'd unlock the axle if it was selectable as well
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On the trail, could you compensate for the size difference with air pressure (over inflate the 37, under inflate the 38; obviously with enough pressure to hold a bad) and get through the trail?
You can run whatever size as long as the diff is open. If you cannot unlock it then they must be the same size or things will break.
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Rockjock D60 FTW
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I havent purchased these parts yet but wanted to know if anyone had any thoughts on them
-RCV Ultimate Jeep JK Dana 30 CV Axles
-Dana 44 JK Rear Chromoly Axle Kit -Non Rubicon (10-Year Warranty)
-Synergy MFG Jeep JK Heavy Duty Front Ball Joint Complete Set (Driver and Passenger)
-Artec Industries JK Front Axle ARMOR KIT
-Artec Industries JK Rear Axle Truss
-Riddler Differential Cover D30
-Riddler Differential Cover D44
-Raceline RT231 Monster Premium Cast Aluminum Beadlock Wheel
-Toyo 37x13.50R17LT, Open Country M/T
Solid list!
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Quote author=OscarMike2.0
I havent purchased these parts yet but wanted to know if anyone had any thoughts on them
-RCV Ultimate Jeep JK Dana 30 CV Axles
-Artec Industries JK Front Axle ARMOR KIT
-Synergy MFG Jeep JK Heavy Duty Front Ball Joint Complete Set (Driver and Passenger)
-Riddler Differential Cover D30
Great front axle build. Consider the Alloy Ball Joints. Have not heard anything bad about them and I think Allsouth keeps them in stock and has a better deal....
I prefer the Poison Spyder and ARB covers, but I think they are both more expensive than Riddler. I had Riddlers on my first JK. Good stuff.
-Dana 44 JK Rear Chromoly Axle Kit -Non Rubicon (10-Year Warranty)
-Artec Industries JK Rear Axle Truss
-Riddler Differential Cover D44
Great rear axle upgrades
-Raceline RT231 Monster Premium Cast Aluminum Beadlock Wheel
I have these and love them. Steel rings for a touch up and look new
-Toyo 37x13.50R17LT, Open Country M/T
I prefer the Goodyear MTR's for weight and off road performance. From what I've seen, the Toyo's are better on road, not as good off.
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Everyone should go check out my build thread its at the top of the projects page right now
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So you want to spend thousand of dollars on a Dana 30.... yea that's always a good idea.
Oh wait... nope.
If you're serious about upgrading your Dana 30, do the Dana 44 or Dana 60 mod. I thought I would be cute with Rubi44's and thousands of doll hairs of alloy this and 300M that and cryro treated those.
Yea. That was a big fail. All of that broke at some time or another. On 35's. 1 heavily modified 60 later, I can jump that sucker up down and sideways and never worry about it killing itself.
It's your money, I feel the only people who think polishing the Dana 30 turd are the people who sell you those parts. But it's your Jeep, mo power to ya.
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I don't think it will see the same abuse ;)
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So you want to spend thousand of dollars on a Dana 30.... yea that's always a good idea.
Oh wait... nope.
If you're serious about upgrading your Dana 30, do the Dana 44 or Dana 60 mod. I thought I would be cute with Rubi44's and thousands of doll hairs of alloy this and 300M that and cryro treated those.
Yea. That was a big fail. All of that broke at some time or another. On 35's. 1 heavily modified 60 later, I can jump that sucker up down and sideways and never worry about it killing itself.
It's your money, I feel the only people who think polishing the Dana 30 turd are the people who sell you those parts. But it's your Jeep, mo power to ya.
Relax broh.. No need to get all riled up
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So you want to spend thousand of dollars on a Dana 30.... yea that's always a good idea.
Oh wait... nope.
If you're serious about upgrading your Dana 30, do the Dana 44 or Dana 60 mod. I thought I would be cute with Rubi44's and thousands of doll hairs of alloy this and 300M that and cryro treated those.
Yea. That was a big fail. All of that broke at some time or another. On 35's. 1 heavily modified 60 later, I can jump that sucker up down and sideways and never worry about it killing itself.
It's your money, I feel the only people who think polishing the Dana 30 turd are the people who sell you those parts. But it's your Jeep, mo power to ya.
I agree to this. I have a polished hybrid 44/30 (rubi) axle. They are only so good and they have limits. Sometimes I think about that and sometimes I don't care.
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So you want to spend thousand of dollars on a Dana 30.... yea that's always a good idea.
Oh wait... nope.
If you're serious about upgrading your Dana 30, do the Dana 44 or Dana 60 mod. I thought I would be cute with Rubi44's and thousands of doll hairs of alloy this and 300M that and cryro treated those.
Yea. That was a big fail. All of that broke at some time or another. On 35's. 1 heavily modified 60 later, I can jump that sucker up down and sideways and never worry about it killing itself.
It's your money, I feel the only people who think polishing the Dana 30 turd are the people who sell you those parts. But it's your Jeep, mo power to ya.
Relax broh.. No need to get all riled up
I'm far from riled up hotrod. I found your build thread--I understand what's happening now. Carry on.
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What is that suppose to mean..
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So you want to spend thousand of dollars on a Dana 30.... yea that's always a good idea.
Oh wait... nope.
If you're serious about upgrading your Dana 30, do the Dana 44 or Dana 60 mod. I thought I would be cute with Rubi44's and thousands of doll hairs of alloy this and 300M that and cryro treated those.
Yea. That was a big fail. All of that broke at some time or another. On 35's. 1 heavily modified 60 later, I can jump that sucker up down and sideways and never worry about it killing itself.
It's your money, I feel the only people who think polishing the Dana 30 turd are the people who sell you those parts. But it's your Jeep, mo power to ya.
Relax broh.. No need to get all riled up
I'm far from riled up hotrod. I found your build thread--I understand what's happening now. Carry on.
Bro you need to chill out. I dont want to hear your opinion. Theres noting wrong with a d30 its a good axle.
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//popcorn//
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//LMAO// //popcorn//
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//popcorn// //popcorn//
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Plenty of people run d30 - doesn't mean it's the strongest axle out there, but he probably won't be beating it to death either...
go on //CHEESYPUFFS//
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I don't think I would want to ride anywhere near Charliticus. It sounds like there would be a lot of parts flying around from his wheel spin! If he spent all that money on his axle and still ripped it up I'd have to be the guy with the camera behind the tree hoping to get the money shot! //SLAMIN// //popcorn// //popcorn//
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Plenty of people run d30 - doesn't mean it's the strongest axle out there, but he probably won't be beating it to death either...
go on //CHEESYPUFFS//
What im trying to say.
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Stupid tapatalk with no cool popcorn emoticon.
Popcorn is all I got
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I don't think I would want to ride anywhere near Charliticus. It sounds like there would be a lot of parts flying around from his wheel spin! If he spent all that money on his axle and still ripped it up I'd have to be the guy with the camera behind the tree hoping to get the money shot! //SLAMIN// //popcorn// //popcorn//
Nothing wrong with knowing where the skinny is.
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I understand now my bad! You be master. //cheers2//
My name is Charlie, and I own a Jeep. I moved down this way for a job from Chesapeake Virginia. Now, why did I move from the beach to live in Ghetto Mountain? Well that's an entirely different story. Recently married to my second wife. Which, in it of itself, is another story. It's amazing what life is like when you're married to a woman who doesn't just suck at life. I am a lighting designer versed in Whole Hog, Chamsys, GrandMA, Jands (and I freaking hate it more than anything on the planet), and various ETC consoles. I'm also a rigger.
So what is it? Well it's a mega super extreme off road mall crawler with every JC Whitney chrome hinge and bolt in the catalogue. Add in the entire inventory of the chrome fender vents from Advance Auto parts. So you can say, I'm a pretty serious player in the off road community.
2005 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon. Pretty much the only thing left on it that's Rubicon is about a quarter of the hood decal. Don't ask me where I got the bumper, fenders, roll cage, anything metal. It's all custom.
This is it picking up maaaaaaad D on the OBX on it's maiden voyage.
This is a bit later in the season with the Jeep Brah Haaaaaay windshield modification
This is the actual shake down run at a buddy of mines family property in Western Virginia.
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1 wheeled wonder
This is me taking a nap and contemplating all of the poor choices I made that day and mentally counting up all of the money I broke.
And the video of that crappening
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After that foolishness I decided to sit on a pile of broken and unbroken Jeep parts for about a year while I got some life stuff sorted out. A buddy of mine agreed to keep it at his parent's house where it was out of everyone's way, under a tarp.
This is me recovering the Jeep from a "friends" house who "borrowed" parts off of it and "fixed" my super rare 42x15.50x20 TSL SX2 tires. All while he "borrowed" it to take to various wheeling trips without my knowledge and "modifying" [re: breaking] parts for me as he "finds weak points in the system."
Here's where it is as of a couple of weeks ago, getting un-friendified (don't worry, I don't talk to that dude anymore). It's still in Virginia waiting for me to go fetch it. I plan on going up there after Easter and then bombing it around here until my "custom" tires burn off of it. So I'll likely be begging to borrow a trella. I has gooseneck hitch in my truck and am willing to tow anyones junk so long as there's a trella I can holler at (for future reference).
2006 Truck that does truck stuff.
http://instagram.com/p/W2pBkSnt9_/
That tows beer apparatus to camp sites.
This is when I want to go fast
This is my 2011 dog, Camo, a Brittany Spaniel.
http://instagram.com/p/jkFH5nHtyt/
I smoke cigars, drink good beer, love NASCAR (#48), hunt, fish, and love the outdoors.
I'm looking for a club to go wheeling with, turn wrenches with, go hunting with (tell me about these Georgia hogs), and generally engage in typical shenaniganary with.
Will you be that club?
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I don't think I would want to ride anywhere near Charliticus. It sounds like there would be a lot of parts flying around from his wheel spin! If he spent all that money on his axle and still ripped it up I'd have to be the guy with the camera behind the tree hoping to get the money shot! //SLAMIN// //popcorn// //popcorn//
Nothing wrong with knowing where the skinny is.
Nothing wrong with it.... unless you are constantly breaking your junk - then it ends up at your buddies house for 6 months while he say's he's "fixing" it, but he's really wheeling it //LMAO// (Charliticus)
I find skinny pedal is usually a crutch if you can't make it up certain obstacles. We ride a lot of technical trails, if you don't watch out you could definitely break something.... or bend your rear axle (mortalis) //cheers2//
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Phantom knows the skinny pedal for sure.
Windrock trail 93 on the last little bit. When in doubt throttle out. Smh
No broken parts we good.
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Easy fellas. Cleaned the bad one and the 3 quotes.
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That is why I asked the question. I do love to see people poke a bear, even if the bear is not near them.
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Phantom knows the skinny pedal for sure.
Windrock trail 93 on the last little bit. When in doubt throttle out. Smh
No broken parts we good.
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That trail kicked my arse //nln//
Can't wait for Windrock!!
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You girls are a fun bunch. Crawling over curbs in the Kroger parking lot is fun. Screaming over boulders in the rain and climbing 100 yard 50 degree hills is a lot more fun. You need the big parts to have the big fun.
If you insist that your $5000 D30 is all you ever need, then you'll never do any big wheeling. It's as simple as that. You'll have fun, but you'll have the kind of fun that wont scratch the paint or make your butt pucker. I get it. You all enjoy a different sort of wheeling than I do, which is why I only see a handful of 1 ton trucks here. Looking back at some of your event pictures shows me what many of you guys are in to. And that's what makes everyone's affinity for the D30 so painfully obvious.
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Char, are you a rock bouncer? Any videos of you bouncing? What I saw looked pretty tame, assuming I have the correct association of vehicle video to person (pretty, red jeep -> you).
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Yes, no, false, yes. But we've hijacked this kids thread with my exploits long enough (isn't thread jacking a crime here?).
He asked his for everyone's opinion on stuff he was buying. I mistakingly misunderstood when the correct answer to his question was "aw yea those are shiny!" Instead I had my own opinion. Then everyone got all sorts of insecure because my big black tires are bigger than theirs. Then came the witch hunt. That's cool too. It's the internet where web wheelers run rampant.
I'm ready to go wheeling, wether it's watching the new girls on their first xxhardecorexx extreme gravel trail expedition or when the big kids go and do big things. Either way, I'm pretty hemmed up until after Easter.
But I digress. If we want to drink the Charliticus haterade, please start a new thread and I'd be happy to troll everyone who want's to play. Until then, I'm happy to tell you the things you don't want to hear.
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I don't think I would want to ride anywhere near Charliticus. It sounds like there would be a lot of parts flying around from his wheel spin! If he spent all that money on his axle and still ripped it up I'd have to be the guy with the camera behind the tree hoping to get the money shot! //SLAMIN// //popcorn// //popcorn//
Nothing wrong with knowing where the skinny is.
Nothing wrong with it.... unless you are constantly breaking your junk - then it ends up at your buddies house for 6 months while he say's he's "fixing" it, but he's really wheeling it //LMAO// (Charliticus)
I find skinny pedal is usually a crutch if you can't make it up certain obstacles. We ride a lot of technical trails, if you don't watch out you could definitely break something.... or bend your rear axle (mortalis) //cheers2//
I haven't bent an axle. I tore a locker up because of red labels, but that's me know those tires are too much for those axles. Stickies are unforgiving. Your parts give with stickies. No reason to troll me unless you are correct in doing so.
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If you insist that your $5000 D30 is all you ever need, then you'll never do any big wheeling. It's as simple as that. You'll have fun, but you'll have the kind of fun that wont scratch the paint or make your butt pucker.
How do you know what makes someone else's butt pucker? //LMAO//
Everyone is not like you, and some folks really take it easy and have all they can handle or want. Some folks have families and need a 4 door, and love the out doors, and have to drive 100 miles in their rig every day. Shouldn't they choose what's right for them?
Just let folks be who they want to be, and wheel at the rate they want to, and you just do your thing. We won't critize you,. I promise.
Everyone here knows a Dana 30, like everything on earth, has it limits. You're not telling us anything new here.
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My friend had a dana 30 once. He died.
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I knew somebody with a dana 30 once...
Webwheelers //LMAO//
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Wasn't following new posts on the forum for a few days
//LMAO// //LMAO// //LMAO//
Back to things, probably not worth the upgrades on D30 if you can do more. With all my webwheeling I see that 37's will be cracking the gears even if everything else is maxed out.
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If you insist that your $5000 D30 is all you ever need, then you'll never do any big wheeling. It's as simple as that. You'll have fun, but you'll have the kind of fun that wont scratch the paint or make your butt pucker.
How do you know what makes someone else's butt pucker? //LMAO//
Everyone is not like you, and some folks really take it easy and have all they can handle or want. Some folks have families and need a 4 door, and love the out doors, and have to drive 100 miles in their rig every day. Shouldn't they choose what's right for them?
Just let folks be who they want to be, and wheel at the rate they want to, and you just do your thing. We won't critize you,. I promise.
Everyone here knows a Dana 30, like everything on earth, has it limits. You're not telling us anything new here.
AMEN