Post by: PyratM on July 08, 2014, 10:27:10 PM
76,000 miles
6 speed
79 Ford D60, 5.38, Yukon hubs, chromo shafts, ARB
14 bolt rear, 5.38, chromo shafts, ARB
Hydro assist
Chromo tie rod (can't remember brand)
High steer
RK lift (looks about 4") with 8" stretch
RK RRD coilovers front, Fox coilovers rear
Comp cut with corner armor
Tom Woods 1350 drive shafts
Rock Hard cage
Mastercraft seats
Professionally repainted orange crush last year
Ramsey 9k winch
Poison Spyder front bumper
Genright aluminum tire carrier
Spod
Viair onboard air
Jeep looks pristine, not just for the mileage, but pristine for almost new as well.
My phone wont upload pics, so I'll have to do that tomorrow.
What do you guys think the trade value should be? Also keep in mind that his trade value is with him paying the full $55,000 for mine.
Post by: kvom on July 09, 2014, 07:20:09 AM
Post by: tcdawg on July 09, 2014, 08:09:31 AM
I'd guess mid 20s, based on what I've seen on Pirate for 1-ton TJs. Depends on tires/wheels to some extent, and of course a road test.
It's a JK
Post by: Matt on July 09, 2014, 08:13:33 AM
I'd guess mid 20s, based on what I've seen on Pirate for 1-ton TJs. Depends on tires/wheels to some extent, and of course a road test.
It's a JK
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In that case mid teens //LMAO//
Post by: Raisinhead on July 09, 2014, 08:33:13 AM
Post by: bjeep on July 09, 2014, 08:59:51 AM
I saw your post on fb, I think he is valuing that too high. I'd definitely want more cash. High 30s for his is too much imo.
Some would think mid 50s is too high for his to. All it comes down to is what you can get and what he wants to give.
And at the end of the day they both are JK's.... //LMAO// //LMAO//
Post by: Raisinhead on July 09, 2014, 09:09:01 AM
And at the end of the day they both are JK's....so either will be unbelievable off road machines
Fixed
I agree though, its hard to value built jeeps. All depends on what its worth to you. Here is something that I always think about. (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/09/a2unubab.jpg)
Post by: cru9 on July 09, 2014, 09:10:58 AM
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Post by: Matt on July 09, 2014, 02:05:59 PM
Post by: PyratM on July 09, 2014, 02:14:53 PM
Looks sweet. I think if you walk away with 15-18k and that jeep it would be a sweet deal. Its very comparable to yours as far as add ons, so really what is the value difference between a stock 2 door and a stock 4 door with similar years & mileage?
He has more $$ in mods ~$5k or so. The difference would be between a 2013 JKUR with 8,500 miles and a 2008 JKR with 76,000 miles. Stock for stock that difference is around $15k +/- a few grand ($20k vs $35k).
Post by: cru9 on July 09, 2014, 04:26:10 PM
Will you be happy with 15 ro 18K cash on top of Jeep. I personally would stay with 4 door pay it off and build it more
Post by: tcdawg on July 09, 2014, 04:27:50 PM
Looks sweet. I think if you walk away with 15-18k and that jeep it would be a sweet deal. Its very comparable to yours as far as add ons, so really what is the value difference between a stock 2 door and a stock 4 door with similar years & mileage?
He has more $$ in mods ~$5k or so. The difference would be between a 2013 JKUR with 8,500 miles and a 2008 JKR with 76,000 miles. Stock for stock that difference is around $15k +/- a few grand ($20k vs $35k).
What intrigues you about the other rig?
Shorter wheel base is the only thing he has that you couldn't change on yours.
You have a better motor.
Personally, I wouldn't trade between those two unless it's a wheel base thing....
If it is, I would want at least $10k from the dude along with the trade.
Post by: Krawler00 on July 09, 2014, 04:34:16 PM
Post by: cru9 on July 09, 2014, 04:37:28 PM
Post by: 94xjsport94 on July 09, 2014, 04:51:25 PM
Post by: Mortalis5509 on July 09, 2014, 06:38:36 PM
45K yours and 25K his. Labor almost never counts in a sale. Only a few exceptions would I, and that would a Jimmy, Randy, or likes car.
Honest question, why don't you trade yours for a buggy that you can beat on? Something that's not a dig deal if it rolls over or gets a scratch.
Post by: kvom on July 09, 2014, 06:40:07 PM
Post by: PyratM on July 09, 2014, 06:57:03 PM
This is my thought:
45K yours and 25K his. Labor almost never counts in a sale. Only a few exceptions would I, and that would a Jimmy, Randy, or likes car.
Honest question, why don't you trade yours for a buggy that you can beat on? Something that's not a dig deal if it rolls over or gets a scratch.
Can't buy a buggy because this is my dd.
Post by: PyratM on July 09, 2014, 06:58:20 PM
Looks sweet. I think if you walk away with 15-18k and that jeep it would be a sweet deal. Its very comparable to yours as far as add ons, so really what is the value difference between a stock 2 door and a stock 4 door with similar years & mileage?
He has more $$ in mods ~$5k or so. The difference would be between a 2013 JKUR with 8,500 miles and a 2008 JKR with 76,000 miles. Stock for stock that difference is around $15k +/- a few grand ($20k vs $35k).
What intrigues you about the other rig?
Shorter wheel base is the only thing he has that you couldn't change on yours.
You have a better motor.
Personally, I wouldn't trade between those two unless it's a wheel base thing....
If it is, I would want at least $10k from the dude along with the trade.
I'd be getting $17k on top of his Jeep. I just sent him a message that if he is cool with my rocker damage from Golden and Chocco then we have a deal.
Post by: PyratM on July 09, 2014, 06:59:22 PM
Nice JK though. Clean and looks to have had some nice install work done. Keep what ya got! I would say this to you, you are used to a 4 door, the room of a 4 door, capability of a 4 door and if you went to a 2 door you would surely miss the room. That is my ONLY complaint about my TJ. NO ROOM!
I know that is the one thing I will miss, but I'm willing to give it a whirl.
Post by: PyratM on July 09, 2014, 07:00:18 PM
Even trade for my Jeep plus $10?
damn i wish I saw this before I told the guy ok. Why didn't you pipe up earlier Will?
Post by: Mortalis5509 on July 09, 2014, 07:03:06 PM
Post by: Danny Kinder on July 09, 2014, 07:46:59 PM
Plus your ground clearance and cog will improve dramatically. The 4 doors have a lot of belly pan to clear..
Post by: Big Dave on July 09, 2014, 08:58:51 PM
Post by: 94xjsport94 on July 09, 2014, 10:07:40 PM
Even trade for my Jeep plus $10?
damn i wish I saw this before I told the guy ok. Why didn't you pipe up earlier Will?
Thought the body damage would scare you away :D
I'll add $20 to boot.
Post by: PyratM on July 09, 2014, 10:32:39 PM
My question..... is the wife happy?
Yup
Post by: PyratM on July 09, 2014, 10:36:34 PM
What's your payoff? If you can end up with no car payment and a super capable jk then I do not see what the question is.
Plus your ground clearance and cog will improve dramatically. The 4 doors have a lot of belly pan to clear..
I'll still have a payment, but it will be half as much plus I can payoff a bunch of other stuff (ie new baby bills, moving houses, help on new house earnest money)
Post by: tcdawg on July 10, 2014, 07:01:59 AM
Looks sweet. I think if you walk away with 15-18k and that jeep it would be a sweet deal. Its very comparable to yours as far as add ons, so really what is the value difference between a stock 2 door and a stock 4 door with similar years & mileage?
He has more $$ in mods ~$5k or so. The difference would be between a 2013 JKUR with 8,500 miles and a 2008 JKR with 76,000 miles. Stock for stock that difference is around $15k +/- a few grand ($20k vs $35k).
What intrigues you about the other rig?
Shorter wheel base is the only thing he has that you couldn't change on yours.
You have a better motor.
Personally, I wouldn't trade between those two unless it's a wheel base thing....
If it is, I would want at least $10k from the dude along with the trade.
I'd be getting $17k on top of his Jeep. I just sent him a message that if he is cool with my rocker damage from Golden and Chocco then we have a deal.
Damn, if he is throwing in $17K with his jeep...I'd do it
Post by: Krawler00 on July 10, 2014, 09:26:33 AM
Post by: PyratM on July 13, 2014, 08:25:56 PM
Post by: 94xjsport94 on July 13, 2014, 08:45:39 PM
Post by: PyratM on July 13, 2014, 11:01:01 PM
Post by: Mortalis5509 on July 14, 2014, 12:55:08 AM
Post by: clark123456 on July 14, 2014, 03:19:54 AM
I believe that copper tj on hardline has a couple of issues: STAKS t case; no complete top. I could be wrong, but make sure it well meet your complete needs.
Good luck.
Post by: PyratM on July 14, 2014, 07:11:57 AM
I know the 4.0 is no powerhouse, but its proven and I really like i6's. The Jeep has a soft top and I also believe he just picked up a hardtop for it. Could be mistaken on that last bit though.
Post by: lt99ls1 on July 14, 2014, 08:33:54 AM
Post by: clark123456 on July 14, 2014, 08:37:10 AM
You can get turbos and superchargers for the I6s too.
I thought that was a myth!
Do you know anyone who has done it with success?
Post by: tcdawg on July 14, 2014, 08:43:55 AM
You can get turbos and superchargers for the I6s too.
I thought that was a myth!
Do you know anyone who has done it with success?
It's definitely not a myth, there are SC's and Turbos for the 4.0 but I don't know anyone that has ever installed and used one.
That Stak TC is an issue in my mind as well. If it ever needs a part or has to be rebuilt that will be a major issue. There is a long story behind Stak that Kirk can tell better than me but the current owner of the company does not offer much support at all.
But if it went out you could always just replace it I guess if everthing else on the rig was up to your specs
Post by: lt99ls1 on July 14, 2014, 09:01:51 AM
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Post by: Mortalis5509 on July 14, 2014, 10:13:58 AM
I wheel'd with a guy once that a turbo I6. It was in a Cherokee.You can get turbos and superchargers for the I6s too.
I thought that was a myth!
Do you know anyone who has done it with success?
Post by: kvom on July 14, 2014, 01:09:48 PM
I sold my old case as-is to Tim Kirk, who did a complete rebuild (e.g., replaced a broken gear and got all new bearings). He's going to run it in his buggy, which hopefully will be done this summer and we can see whether the pop-out problem still exists. At least now Tim knows all the internals if there would be a problem with someone's case.
I liked the Stak more than the new Atlas - much easier to shift and has 5-1 ratio, plus you could do front digs in high w/o breaking it, unlike the Atlas. Stak would also tolerate higher HP, although that's not much of an issue for the types of rigs we have.
As for the 4.0, I can tell you mine is pretty sluggish on the road on my TJ that's about 1000 lbs heavier than stock.
Post by: ranier1315 on July 17, 2014, 12:48:16 PM
Just sold buggy TJ with a turbo. Mitsubishi with 15 psi boost. The heads were studded and shaved to handle that much boost but it is definitely doable.You can get turbos and superchargers for the I6s too.
I thought that was a myth!
Do you know anyone who has done it with success?
Post by: Mortalis5509 on July 17, 2014, 04:35:49 PM
The 3spd Stak Monsterbox TC is/was a good product, much beefier than an Atlas. The one on mine was old and beat up, and popped out of gear a lot. The gear popping can normally be cured by replacing the center shaft with one sold by Trailworth Fab. My case was an earlu model where the shaft dimensions were different than the later models. I wouldn't be worried about buying a Jeep with a fairly recent Stak case if I found on a test wheeling ride that it stayed in gear.
I sold my old case as-is to Tim Kirk, who did a complete rebuild (e.g., replaced a broken gear and got all new bearings). He's going to run it in his buggy, which hopefully will be done this summer and we can see whether the pop-out problem still exists. At least now Tim knows all the internals if there would be a problem with someone's case.
I liked the Stak more than the new Atlas - much easier to shift and has 5-1 ratio, plus you could do front digs in high w/o breaking it, unlike the Atlas. Stak would also tolerate higher HP, although that's not much of an issue for the types of rigs we have.
As for the 4.0, I can tell you mine is pretty sluggish on the road on my TJ that's about 1000 lbs heavier than stock.
How in the world is a stack stronger than an atlas? I know of no one racing a stack (not saying there isn't) but atlas is the common choice.
Post by: kvom on July 17, 2014, 05:09:23 PM
Post by: Scott F. on July 17, 2014, 10:10:19 PM
Beefier case and innards.
I agree, much larger casing and internals, assuming similar material properties/strength between the two the stak should be stronger.....and a lot heavier
Either way atlas with all the upgrades is plenty strong enough IMO
Post by: Mortalis5509 on July 18, 2014, 04:01:47 PM
Post by: tcdawg on July 18, 2014, 07:57:30 PM
You can get atlas with 400m. Im looking into their race case now. Between a 3.0 or 2.0
Was it your TC or Tranny that went at Chocco?
Post by: Mortalis5509 on July 18, 2014, 07:59:05 PM