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MEMBERS DISCUSSION AREA => General Discussion => Topic started by: Anvilsam on August 03, 2016, 04:12:20 AM
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Hey guys. Please see the link below and let me know if y'all think the jeep would be worth it. I've found every time I go out I am dragging my 4 door over progressively harder stuff and I'm going to eventually get some form of damage. I figure I can get something cheap and wheel it and upgrade as I go. Take a look at the link and let me know what you think.http://nwga.craigslist.org/cto/5664267369.html (http://nwga.craigslist.org/cto/5664267369.html)
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I think you will have so much more capability, and less financial risk, with that rig...but it's a project jeep for sure; He has already mentioned the steering and brakes...what else looms.
If not that rig, I'd definitely find another rig to build if you want to do hard blues or blacks.
The creature comforts will go away, so you may lose the wife on future trips.
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Looks like a lot a wrench time in the future
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I think you will have so much more capability, and less financial risk, with that rig...but it's a project jeep for sure; He has already mentioned the steering and brakes...what else looms.
If not that rig, I'd definitely find another rig to build if you want to do hard blues or blacks.
The creature comforts will go away, so you may lose the wife on future trips.
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She's country so I think she would be fine. First thing would be to fix any known issues before I take it out then change the cage so we can put a single seat for saydee back there. I also think if it's not just falling apart I could wheel it and just upgrade as I brake. Shoot I could prob fully build this thing for what it would cost to put tons under my 4 door.
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I think you will have so much more capability, and less financial risk, with that rig...but it's a project jeep for sure; He has already mentioned the steering and brakes...what else looms.
If not that rig, I'd definitely find another rig to build if you want to do hard blues or blacks.
The creature comforts will go away, so you may lose the wife on future trips.
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She's country so I think she would be fine. First thing would be to fix any known issues before I take it out then change the cage so we can put a single seat for saydee back there. I also think if it's not just falling apart I could wheel it and just upgrade as I brake. Shoot I could prob fully build this thing for what it would cost to put tons under my 4 door.
Oh, hell, then get it; Country girl don't care...lol!
It looks like you'll have to muck with going back to a carbed engine, if I'm seeing things correctly. You definitely want to upgrade to fuel injection if you pull the propane to make room for Saydee.
Then you have the situation where you're kind of stuck on 37s max due to the axles...which I'd be surprised if that would satisfy you long term, especially for a trail dedicated rig.
"I" would pass on this particular rig, and plan to get an old rig "i" could ton and 40, that had fuel injection, and room for the family. Oh, air conditioning would be a must, for southeast wheeling, for me...but I'm old and fat!
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I've also looked on daveys jeeps and they have later model tjs w all you mentioned for around the same price. Then I could build it how I want
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I've also looked on daveys jeeps and they have later model tjs w all you mentioned for around the same price. Then I could build it how I want
That's the path I'd go..if you can't find an LJ.
The other thing to consider is whether you want it to be street worthy (tagged). If you're not in an emissions county, then I'd get whatever you want, but if you're in an emissions county, and you're not getting an LJ, then consider a YJ with the 4.0l. The manual transmissions aren't great in the YJ, though, relative to the TJ ax15.
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If you look on the Georgia Trail Riders Facebook page, someone has this for sale $6500 obo
For sale 1980 cj5 Laredo 304 v8 4 speed 4 in lift 34 x 10.50 15 tires 411 gears with lockers chromoly axels power steering and breaks 6500 obo
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I think you will have so much more capability, and less financial risk, with that rig...but it's a project jeep for sure; He has already mentioned the steering and brakes...what else looms.
If not that rig, I'd definitely find another rig to build if you want to do hard blues or blacks.
The creature comforts will go away, so you may lose the wife on future trips.
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She's country so I think she would be fine. First thing would be to fix any known issues before I take it out then change the cage so we can put a single seat for saydee back there. I also think if it's not just falling apart I could wheel it and just upgrade as I brake. Shoot I could prob fully build this thing for what it would cost to put tons under my 4 door.
Oh, hell, then get it; Country girl don't care...lol!
It looks like you'll have to muck with going back to a carbed engine, if I'm seeing things correctly. You definitely want to upgrade to fuel injection if you pull the propane to make room for Saydee.
Then you have the situation where you're kind of stuck on 37s max due to the axles...which I'd be surprised if that would satisfy you long term, especially for a trail dedicated rig.
"I" would pass on this particular rig, and plan to get an old rig "i" could ton and 40, that had fuel injection, and room for the family. Oh, air conditioning would be a must, for southeast wheeling, for me...but I'm old and fat!
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So basically you're saying for him to keep wheeling the JKU. :)
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I'd check the welding on the cage pretty closely.
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Hard to beat that price for a rig that is ready to play with.
Seeing as you are looking at it as a project, I don't think it would be a bad start if you are looking for a trail only rig.
If those are red lable Krawlers, those Waggy 44's probably won't last long but the sooner they go, the sooner you can upgrade.
Shoot I could prob fully build this thing for what it would cost to put tons under my 4 door.
This is true and something I think about all the time, which is why I have a serious hardline/pirate classified ad dependency. Upgrading the JKU with big axles sure does make it capable, with all the creature comforts, but damn it comes with a price tag.
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Hard to beat that price for a rig that is ready to play with.
Seeing as you are looking at it as a project, I don't think it would be a bad start if you are looking for a trail only rig.
If those are red lable Krawlers, those Waggy 44's probably won't last long but the sooner they go, the sooner you can upgrade.
Shoot I could prob fully build this thing for what it would cost to put tons under my 4 door.
This is true and something I think about all the time, which is why I have a serious hardline/pirate classified ad dependency. Upgrading the JKU with big axles sure does make it capable, with all the creature comforts, but damn it comes with a price tag.
i would really like to find a fully built and stretched tj that somebody needs to get out of for around 8 to 10. That would be ideal but those are few and far betweeen. I don't really care to ever drive this on the street as it would eventually be full hydro and super flexy suspension. It is a good price if i could go out and wheel it for a while and as i find a good deal on parts start building it up. What gets me though at that point im basically paying 3500 to 4000 for a frame and a beat up body. The roll cage would def get replaced as saydee would need a safe place to ride. Hopefully i could get the propane tanks moved around to make room for her seat (is that even safe?)to go in between them.
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I had the same line of thinking awhile back, which is why I built my buggy and sold my JKU
I do miss being able to drive a jeep on the road, but if you're keeping the JKU then this shouldn't matter. Having a dedicated trail rig is awesome!
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that cage is ugly. Looks like a stock roll bar with supports added to it. I'd take that out and start over for both safety and aesthetics. Fitting a kids seat may pose an issue, but hard to tell without more pictures
Propane works good, and is a great system of you can conveniently refill the tanks. The downside is that two tanks take up quite a bit of space, and only carrying 1 isn't the best idea seeing as no one usually has "extra" on the trail if you run out. I run propane since I can refill easily, and the cost of going fuel injected wasn't worth it to me. (I may still do it one day if my 304 craps out on me). Most people sell their propane systems bc they get tired of trying to refill tanks.
For the price, that isn't too bad if you want something you can wheel now and fix as you go. A/C is overrated... //SLAMIN//
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Id keep checking Davey's daily for a TJ or LJ! I love having AC on a hot day. Or armor up the body of your JK some more. I know when we were at Beasley's at the top of 93B if you had something you wouldn't have cared about smacking that tree you would have made that climb for sure
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I had the same line of thinking awhile back, which is why I built my buggy and sold my JKU
I do miss being able to drive a jeep on the road, but if you're keeping the JKU then this shouldn't matter. Having a dedicated trail rig is awesome!
IMO....
that cage is ugly. Looks like a stock roll bar with supports added to it. I'd take that out and start over for both safety and aesthetics. Fitting a kids seat may pose an issue, but hard to tell without more pictures
Propane works good, and is a great system of you can conveniently refill the tanks. The downside is that two tanks take up quite a bit of space, and only carrying 1 isn't the best idea seeing as no one usually has "extra" on the trail if you run out. I run propane since I can refill easily, and the cost of going fuel injected wasn't worth it to me. (I may still do it one day if my 304 craps out on me). Most people sell their propane systems bc they get tired of trying to refill tanks.
For the price, that isn't too bad if you want something you can wheel now and fix as you go. A/C is overrated... //SLAMIN//
i had been thinking about it for a while but your jeep at hale really got me thinking about it. i've got a local place that can fill the tanks so that isn't an issue. I agree on the cage. Looks like a piece of junk and would be the first thing i did. I think with my machine shop skills i could probably do a pretty nice cage and it gives me an excuse to purchase a tubing bender (which i've been wanting to do).
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Id keep checking Davey's daily for a TJ or LJ! I love having AC on a hot day. Or armor up the body of your JK some more. I know when we were at Beasley's at the top of 93B if you had something you wouldn't have cared about smacking that tree you would have made that climb for sure
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hey you weren't supposed to tell anybody i didn't make it!!! you are correct though the more i drag my jeep across the rocks the sicker i get when i inspect it when i get home. i also see my skill level (pretty much a pro race car driver) and my nerve getting more and more. Would be nice to have something i could safely flop or bang into a tree and not have to take to the body shop.
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I think you will have .... less financial risk with that rig
That is the only reason to buy another rig. I spent a lot of money on my JKU and going tons cost me more than I thought but now that I'm on the other side of it and everyone involved has had two passes at figuring out all the small stuff, you could have tons for less than 8-10k including the wheel change. Your skillset, probably less. The one thing you have to be ok with is that you do have to run more lift. You've already got coilovers so you're good there for adjusting the height.
I still think about buying and building an LJ myself for less financial risk but it's a dream and the grass is always greener on the other side.
how did your brakes turn out? I've heard alot of bad things about big brakes and the jk. did you change the master cylinder?
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I believe him and Doug did. Same one that us TJ/LJ folks use if I recall... Dodge 2500
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I believe him and Doug did. Same one that us TJ/LJ folks use if I recall... Dodge 2500
I used the part number referenced by Dana for the UD60 axles and think that is the BR6 J8 master cylinder but I haven't looked at it in months.
thanks for the offer. I may just do that. I also want to check out your windshield tie ins on the cage.
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Did you see this....down to $10500
http://www.gatrailriders.com/GTRForums/index.php/topic,14454.0.html (http://www.gatrailriders.com/GTRForums/index.php/topic,14454.0.html)
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Did you see this....down to $10500
http://www.gatrailriders.com/GTRForums/index.php/topic,14454.0.html (http://www.gatrailriders.com/GTRForums/index.php/topic,14454.0.html)
if it had tons and a v8 i would be all over it.
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Tons and a V8 for $10k would be a super find.
My JK on tons stops like a dang go kart.
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Going to trail only rig is a good idea. You could always buy something and upgrade to a different rig along the way until you get where you want. Building will cost more than buying.
Ripping control arm mounts and bending body frame mounts are all possible on a jeep. What about rolling it? Stuff happens. Body armour or not, body damage will occur.
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It's all about knowing your limits. Anything could happen but we're a good group at doing our best mitigating the risk.
very true.
I think our group does a damn good job at pushing the limits safely and without much damage.
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It's all about knowing your limits. Anything could happen but we're a good group at doing our best mitigating the risk.
very true.
I think our group does a damn good job at pushing the limits safely and without much damage.
one thing i've learned so far is that you guys seem to know the limits of my jeep better than i do. The feel in the seat is always alot worse than from spotting. My main purpose of this is to get something that is i do flop it or bang into a tree i wont care. If i break it beyond an easy repair i've always got my 4 door to fall back on until i get it up and going. Im going to go check it out tonight and look at it. My main thing is that the frame is good. That will give me something solid to build off of. Anything else i need to look out for?
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Is the bolt pattern the same for front and rear? You don't have to answer, but that would be key for me.
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Is the bolt pattern the same for front and rear? You don't have to answer, but that would be key for me.
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thats one thing i will look for.
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Looks like the rear of the frame was cut off and raised to accommodate the 4 link. Check the front leaf brackets and motor mounts for any cracks where they attach to the frame. Easy to fix, you just don't want them to get worse
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Going to trail only rig is a good idea. You could always buy something and upgrade to a different rig along the way until you get where you want. Building will cost more than buying.
Ripping control arm mounts and bending body frame mounts are all possible on a jeep. What about rolling it? Stuff happens. Body armour or not, body damage will occur.
It's all about knowing your limits. Anything could happen but we're a good group at doing our best mitigating the risk.
Yea, you are correct. Not exactly what I was referring to
I'm referring to that rock that your tub finds when you slide off a line on accident. That tree that eats a top or dents the windshield frame. I would rather wheel and not worry about body damage. Would rather go out and have fun then worry about denting the body or something to that efdect.
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Waggy 44s with chromos are pretty stout. I think they'd hold up to 37 reds and a 4.0 engine just fine.
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Here is my thought also. If they are red labels then right there is a good chunk of change for just tires. Supposedly the axles were just put in this thing when the new owner (who i know) purchased it. I don't know any details though as far as what shafts they have or gearing or lockers. Hopefully just welded. If the motor is decent then there is another quality item to add to the list. Also i know from purchasing propane tanks for our forklift that they go for around 200 each.
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Waggy 44s with chromos are pretty stout. I think they'd hold up to 37 reds and a 4.0 engine just fine.
I agree. I took rubi axle with rcv shafts on 37" reds and lived just fine. Wasn't very nice sometimes.
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Here is my thought also. If they are red labels then right there is a good chunk of change for just tires. Supposedly the axles were just put in this thing when the new owner (who i know) purchased it. I don't know any details though as far as what shafts they have or gearing or lockers. Hopefully just welded. If the motor is decent then there is another quality item to add to the list. Also i know from purchasing propane tanks for our forklift that they go for around 200 each.
Those aren't red labels, blue labels, or black labels..they're km2s.
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I still think about buying and building an LJ myself ... the grass is always greener on the other side.
Sometimes the grass looks greener because it is...... like when you walk into your garage and see an LJ! //SLAMIN//
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Here is my thought also. If they are red labels then right there is a good chunk of change for just tires. Supposedly the axles were just put in this thing when the new owner (who i know) purchased it. I don't know any details though as far as what shafts they have or gearing or lockers. Hopefully just welded. If the motor is decent then there is another quality item to add to the list. Also i know from purchasing propane tanks for our forklift that they go for around 200 each.
Those aren't red labels, blue labels, or black labels..they're km2s.
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i will find out for sure tonight but they look an awful lot like krawlers to me.
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Pics look like Krawlers to me as well.
As for the propane, there's no need to carry two large tanks like that. One large and a small to get back to camp to swap out. Remove one and there's room to modify for a child seat. There are lots of propane buggies around that work well. Can't say I've seen any on Jeep engines --- more on Toys.
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Here is my thought also. If they are red labels then right there is a good chunk of change for just tires. Supposedly the axles were just put in this thing when the new owner (who i know) purchased it. I don't know any details though as far as what shafts they have or gearing or lockers. Hopefully just welded. If the motor is decent then there is another quality item to add to the list. Also i know from purchasing propane tanks for our forklift that they go for around 200 each.
Those aren't red labels, blue labels, or black labels..they're km2s.
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i will find out for sure tonight but they look an awful lot like krawlers to me.
Upon further inspection, I think I agree. At first I thought the treads looked too thin (like 1" instead of 2"), but then I noticed I can't see the split in them like you get on km2s.
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You are not allowed to buy that buggy unless you have a brother on the forum that you can fight with about it. //LMAO//
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Well we don't have to worry about me buying that jeep. The brakes were locked up and he said the tranny would prob have to be replaced. I guess I will just have to keep wheeling my jeep until a better deal comes along
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You could go full restore or race buggy either way.
Man, you are determined to have strife on the forum, even in someone else's thread. I approve!
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There is an almost complete tj with a 6.0 and tons for sale on a fb group. 15k under rock crawler/ ultra 4/ for sale group.
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Here is the Jeep Tripp mentioned earlier. It is a project that needs to be finished.
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LOL, you guys are killing me I keep having to aprove you guys joining my facebook group.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/208454209324301/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/208454209324301/)
FYI there is some pretty cool off road stuff for sale in that group.
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I thought that was your page but wasn't 100% sure
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Great post Larry!!
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LOL, you guys are killing me I keep having to aprove you guys joining my facebook group.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/208454209324301/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/208454209324301/)
FYI there is some pretty cool off road stuff for sale in that group.
Oh yeah I'm part of that already
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^^requested :)
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^^requested :)
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Done. If any of you don't get added let me know. I do try and screen all the users before I add them.
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^^requested :)
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Done. If any of you don't get added let me know. I do try and screen all the users before I add them.
I just sent a request - John Deeran.
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@Anvilsam
http://www.hardlinecrawlers.com/forums/index.php?topic=52737.0 (http://www.hardlinecrawlers.com/forums/index.php?topic=52737.0)
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im going to text him
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@Anvilsam
http://www.hardlinecrawlers.com/forums/index.php?topic=52737.0 (http://www.hardlinecrawlers.com/forums/index.php?topic=52737.0)
That's Donny Crawford.... surprised he's selling
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Hadn't looked on there in a while...
didn't know Kirk had his TJ on there
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im going to text him
If you buy it, my finders fee is 1/2 hour of seat time at AOP
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@Anvilsam
http://www.hardlinecrawlers.com/forums/index.php?topic=52737.0 (http://www.hardlinecrawlers.com/forums/index.php?topic=52737.0)
That's Donny Crawford.... surprised he's selling
@patman is he a straight up guy? Know any history on the rig?
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@Anvilsam
http://www.hardlinecrawlers.com/forums/index.php?topic=52737.0 (http://www.hardlinecrawlers.com/forums/index.php?topic=52737.0)
That's Donny Crawford.... surprised he's selling
@patman is he a straight up guy? Know any history on the rig?
I think he is, but my interaction is limited to a few times at gulches
The jeep performed well when I last saw him. I see his wheeling pics all the time on facebook, and know that he just back-halved the frame a few weeks ago. I've never seen him broke down.
I wouldn't consider my review an expert opinion, it's just my observations
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im going to text him
If you buy it, my finders fee is 1/2 hour of seat time at AOP
if i buy it you can drive it all you want.
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i sent this to my wife and she asked if it had leather or cloth seats.... Women
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damn, nice find, so it seems.
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@Anvilsam don't let donny lie to you, I told him you were a chump and that he could probably get away with raising the asking price if you drive over there, just FYI //LMAO//
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no doubt. I don't think he knew what to say when i asked him that.
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Well i talked to donny friday night and he went over everything that was wrong with it. He sent me a ton of pics of it and its pretty rough. No doubt the axles and suspension are nice but it was rough. I approached him friday night about meeting me halfway saturday in hartwell (actually 2.5 hours for me and 1.5 hours for him). I said if i buy the jeep then good deal but if we cant come to an agreement then i will give you 100 bucks cash for your time. He agreed. Needless to say the jeep was in pretty rough condition. Lots of rust covered up by rattle can paint on the frame. He was super nice though. I didn't even want to make an offer on the jeep. I just pulled 100 bucks out and gave it to him. He said damn not even an offer? I said no i don't want to insult you. To me its just not worth what you said you have to have. He says well if you were going to make an offer what would it be? I reluctantly said 7000. He said no i couldn't take that. (i was thinking thank the lord!!!). i offered to help him load it back up and he said no thanks i got it. We shook hands and i left. The search continues.