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MEMBERS DISCUSSION AREA => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rubidozer on May 16, 2007, 10:13:15 PM
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If you are interested, I can tell you how to use 87 octane and it will act just like 93 octane. You will also get a boost to your Gas-mileage, Horsepower, and Torque. Plus, your oil will stay cleaner longer, you won't have to change your sparkplugs, and it will keep your injectors and combustion-chambers clean.... Oh, and it will also reduce your emissions by something like 20%....
Here's the website: www.fitchfuelcatalyst.com
This thing is not hype, like the Tornado or the Fuel-magnets.... NASCAR and other race-groups have been using them for years.
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Spammer?
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Many of these "Magic" pellets that you put in your gas tank are basically moth balls.
Honestly, if there was a cheap, easily installed, risk-free method to increase power and gas mileage at the same time, why wouldn't GM, Ford, Toyota, etc be putting it in cars from the factory to increase their CAFE numbers and also drive up EPA numbers (and Sales numbers).
In these days of $3+ a gallon gas, if a manufacturer could get an additional 3 mpg on their vehicle at a reasonable cost/return investment, they'd be all over it.
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I think I've seen this on horsepower tv (SPIKETV) and it is supposedly legit. I think it was AutoWeek, but they did testing on the tornado, something that looked like an electric blower to go on the intake and the fuel catalyst. The fuel catalyst results showed the thing actually worked but all the other stuff was bogus. There were also some articles on their website about a lot of companies in australia that put these on their fleet trucks. I don't have one, but the principle does seem plausible. (Basically it's supposed to allow a cleaner burn of the fuel you are using so you extract more energy per gallon rather than losing it in unburned byproducts)
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It's not going inside my motor, saving gas or not.
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Call the Mythbusters (and their very attractive assistant :P) on this one.
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I was trying to share what I found to be helpful. This thing is legit. I'm not some shadetree mechanic who doesn't know what he's talking about. I've been an ASE-certifed mechanic in Brakes, Steering, Suspension, and Alignment for almost 10 years. I've rebuilt countless different engines over that time and rebuilt transfer-cases and tachometers just to learn something different.
Anyway, I don't care if you give a crap or not. You just won't know what you could gain. I don't make money from these things, just wanted to pass along info on a great product.
The reason the Auto Manufacturers don't use them, is that they are about making money. They build cheap and bare minimum to pass regulations. And EPA means Environmental Protection Agency.
And it doesn't go inside of your engine. It's like an inline fuel filter, but it is made-up of an alloy mixture that stabilizes gas. This is what the refineries use to filter gas in order to make Indolene. That's the gas that the auto manufacturers use to give you mileage estimates. But real-world gas is full of crap and old by the time we get it.
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Do you have it installed on your "Boobicon"?
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I will be getting it within a few weeks. Got to pay some bills.
I've had it on other vehicles, and it works. I got 5mpg boost on my Tacoma and a lot of power. Way more power than an intake, muffler, and voltage coil upgrade with plugs gapped to the max. I tried different combinations to see what gave the most improvement, and this was it. I also used it on my '87 Chevy longbed with 36x14.50s and 6" lift with a 2001 LS1 crate motor. That thing was insanely powerful after installing the catalyst. Original Dyno was at 310 stock. After the catalyst, the dyno was 375. I ended-up installing Jacobs Off-road Ignition kit with it and a high-flow airfilter kit with my plugs gapped to .075, and with all that and the catalyst I was up around 490!
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Jeff, you've lost your mind. I have modded cars for years, several very fast cars......and a couple of very fast LS1's. 180rwhp with an ignition kit, filter, gapped plugs and fuel catalyst? Put the crack pipe down or I am gonna smack you!
A. A big spark ignition is useless unless you are blowing out spark via forced induction. I have owned 3 supercharged Mustangs that made over near or over 500rwhp and a turbo'd 99 Cobra that made almost 600rwhp and none of them yielded spark blow by.
B. A free flowing air intake (ie: K&N, Air Raid, AEM, etc) on an N/A LS1 will only yield about 5-8rwhp max.....unless your already hosing, running and SC or Turbo on an OEM paper filter, then it would yield a larger gain due to the restriction it has been causing.
C. .075 gap increasing power? Run that much gap with any power adder and you have had a nad day.
Again, put that crack pipe down. ;D
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Spammer?
LOL! Did you even look to see who the poster was Steven?
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Yes lol
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Jeff, you've lost your mind. I have built and modded cars for years, very fast cars......and a couple of very fast LS1's. 180rwhp with an ignition kit, filter, gapped plugs and fuel catalyst? Put the crack pipe down or I am gonna smack you!
Again, put that crack pipe down. ;D
What year mustangs?
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1993 302 coupe with Bennett Racing Heads, Cam and S-trim on 14lbs of boost. Made 515rwhp
2001 2 valve GT w/intake/exhaust S-trim, intercooler on 156 lbs of boost, made almost 414rwhp
1999 Cobra, described above. Made 588rwhp
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And EPA means Environmental Protection Agency.
The EPA is who rates automobiles for fuel economy.
They've just recently changed their rating method to reflect more real-world numbers and the manufacturers aren't happy about it.
Here, a brand new Dodge Charger loses 2 mpg across the board.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculatorCompareSideBySide.jsp?column=1&id=23610
That's a big hit.
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And EPA means Environmental Protection Agency.
The EPA is who rates automobiles for fuel economy.
They've just recently changed their rating method to reflect more real-world numbers and the manufacturers aren't happy about it.
Here, a brand new Dodge Charger loses 2 mpg across the board.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculatorCompareSideBySide.jsp?column=1&id=23610
That's a big hit.
Those numbers are more real world. I looked up my vehicles on there and their estimates were right on for my ranger, and about 1 mpg less than we are getting in my wifes tribeca.
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Well, I'd imagine that mine is probably about the same as your's Mike. Maybe a little better, those K&N intakes are supposed to give you a little better gas mileage. I'm sure it's nothing spectacular.
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Jeff, you've lost your mind. I have built and modded cars for years, very fast cars......and a couple of very fast LS1's. 180rwhp with an ignition kit, filter, gapped plugs and fuel catalyst? Put the crack pipe down or I am gonna smack you!
A. A big spark ignition is useless unless you are blowing out spark via forced induction. I have owned 3 supercharged Mustangs that made over 500rwhp and a turbo'd 99 Cobra that made almost 600rwhp and none of them yielded spark blow by.
B. A free flowing air intake (ie: K&N, Air Raid, AEM, etc) on an N/A LS1 will only yield about 5-8rwhp max.....unless your already hosing, running and SC or Turbo on an OEM paper filter, then it would yield a larger gain due to the restriction it has been causing.
C. .075 gap increasing power? Run that much gap with any power adder and you have had a nad day.
Again, put that crack pipe down. ;D
Hey Cooter!
I only ran at 420 HP at the rear wheels, but we got 490 on the stand. My intake was huge, with two of the biggest K&N filters ever and was custom made with 3.5" aluminum pipe taped with heat-tape and run out through the fenders and onto the hood for the coldest air. I also forgot that I was running a 180 degree thermostat, the heads from my 305, and the stock exhaust manifolds from my 305. That may sound crazy, but when we applied ceramic coatings to the inside and outside, it made way more horsepower than we originally expected. I also ran a custom exhaust with the cat removed.
And I'm not smoking crack. That thing was incredible! Alot of people thought I was full-o-bull, until they saw it and saw the things it could do. You don't have to use superchargers or turbos or nitrous to get big HP gains. It's a combustion engine; The more complete that you can burn your gas and air mixtur, the better.
Did you know that air is more ignitable than gas under the proper conditions? Hell, you can pump gas into your car and smoke a cigarette or light a match, and it won't ignite. But if you were within 10 feet of pure oxygen, it would ignite. I think you're too young to be so stuck in the thoughts that only certain things are possible, and that if you can't understand it then it must not be possible. Come on, even ugly chicks get lovin' but you wouldn't think it was possible when you see them...
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A guy I work with has been going to seminars and paying money for some kind of fuel pills that supposedly raise your mileage.... he put some in his company truck and he said it started making a noise like a rod was knocking and was blowing black smoke out of the pipes ( a diesel) haha
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Here's how your buddy Rubidozer treats his "friends":
http://www.jk-forum.com/showthread.php?t=8303 (http://www.jk-forum.com/showthread.php?t=8303)
And to think I actually wanted to drive over and meet you.
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1993 302 coupe with Bennett Racing Heads, Cam and S-trim on 14lbs of boost.
2001 2 valve GT w/intake/exhaust S-trim on 16 lbs of boost.
1999 Cobra, described above.
Nice, I didnt figure you for a mustang guy. Plans on having anymore?
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Here's how your buddy Rubidozer treats his "friends":
http://www.jk-forum.com/showthread.php?t=8303 (http://www.jk-forum.com/showthread.php?t=8303)
And to think I actually wanted to drive over and meet you.
Maybe he didn't handle it right, but did anybody else? You resorted to name calling just as quick as he did.... just chill out man it's all good.
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if i felt strongly about something and people smashed it then started smashing me.... i would have dont the same thing. i have nothing wrong with him at all. ;)
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Nobody had cast any disparaging remarks at him at all. He is/was a well respected long time member of the forums will hundreds of good posts. Now imagine this, all of these guys have a first-year new model vehicle and have been posting ideas back and forth about how to squeeze more hp/torque out of their new jeeps and he's been an active participant. You think he just sat back for months sitting on this magic device that turns a V6 into a V12? If you believe this will do as advertised, go ahead my friend and use it on your vehicle. Nobody said anything worthy of him calling everyone faggots and know-nothings. It may just be me, but that's along the same lines as Don Imus' "nappy headed ho" comment or worse....especially in a forum where people are looking up to him as being a respected, senior, knowledgable member.
I would think if I had a magic device that worked miracles, I would have mentioned it MONTHS earlier. If he felt SO STRONGLY about how good this thing is, post a write up and give some solid #'s. Until then, I'm going by what my nose says and it says something smells like BS.
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Take the drama to private messages please.
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Here's how your buddy Rubidozer treats his "friends":
http://www.jk-forum.com/showthread.php?t=8303 (http://www.jk-forum.com/showthread.php?t=8303)
And to think I actually wanted to drive over and meet you.
I don't think of anyone on a forum as friends, just people with similar interests. Friendship is earned through respect of one another. I take my time, before truly considering anyone a friend. Accquaintences, okay.
And that wasn't the first time many of those people said things like that on that forum. To me and to others...
And I never asked you to drive over and meet me. I'm married and not gay. ;D
And just in case you can't tell by the smiley face, I have a sense of humor. Unfortunately, it doesn't really come across in posted messages. I'm just sick of alot of forum-members shitting on other people's opinions or just plain being dicks to their fellow members. But I said it with humor and smiley faces, but you still couldn't figure that out. I don't have a problem with you, but you obviously do with me. So, I look forward to meeting you on the trail...
Fortunately, we live in America... And the beatiful thing is that they can say what they want, and then I can say what I want... But seriously, to quote a great man," Can't we all just get along?" :D
See, that was humor.
But seriously, Cablerep, I don't mean any harm. I'm just used to saying it how it is, cause I believe in being who I am. I was giving those guys the same crap they were giving me. The only difference is that you guys got bent out of shape. And I don't even think you were on that thread, until after I posted, so why are you getting all worked-up? It was humorous, and even if it hadn't been, I'm a man and I will act like a man. If somebody says shit, I'm gonna give it back... So, laugh it off or don't. Makes no difference to me.
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Hey Cooter!
I only ran at 420 HP at the rear wheels, but we got 490 on the stand. My intake was huge, with two of the biggest K&N filters ever and was custom made with 3.5" aluminum pipe taped with heat-tape and run out through the fenders and onto the hood for the coldest air. I also forgot that I was running a 180 degree thermostat, the heads from my 305, and the stock exhaust manifolds from my 305. That may sound crazy, but when we applied ceramic coatings to the inside and outside, it made way more horsepower than we originally expected. I also ran a custom exhaust with the cat removed.
And I'm not smoking crack. That thing was incredible! Alot of people thought I was full-o-bull, until they saw it and saw the things it could do.
Jeff, what were the specs on the heads and the cam? Lift, duration, etc? Was it an NA grind? Oh yeah, on Fitch's dyno, an LS1 only made 19rwhp/11rwtq and I still think it was probably botched. Stick to wheeling! ;D
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I Original Dyno was at 310 stock. After the catalyst, the dyno was 375. I ended-up installing Jacobs Off-road Ignition kit with it and a high-flow airfilter kit with my plugs gapped to .075, and with all that and the catalyst I was up around 490!
I'm a Chevy guy myself and that is definately a "gotta see to believe" situation. The catalyst gave you 65 hp and a filter and more spark added 115 hp.
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Hey Cooter!
I only ran at 420 HP at the rear wheels, but we got 490 on the stand. My intake was huge, with two of the biggest K&N filters ever and was custom made with 3.5" aluminum pipe taped with heat-tape and run out through the fenders and onto the hood for the coldest air. I also forgot that I was running a 180 degree thermostat, the heads from my 305, and the stock exhaust manifolds from my 305. That may sound crazy, but when we applied ceramic coatings to the inside and outside, it made way more horsepower than we originally expected. I also ran a custom exhaust with the cat removed.
And I'm not smoking crack. That thing was incredible! Alot of people thought I was full-o-bull, until they saw it and saw the things it could do.
Come on dude! I didnt fall off a turnip truck. :D Hang on and let me summons a few of my LS1 guys. ;D
thanks for getting back on topic (I was about to lock the thread);)
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dang... andy.... i wish you would have... i want your power... seriously... but i wouldnt know how to use it
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Why do you wish that?
I like how on this forum we can get off topic (with out people getting mad/upset)...
I just don't want conflict/bickering and such.
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we do get off topic alot... ill try and do my part to make an on topic forum... and im being serious >:(
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Hey, guys, sorry for the lapse of reason...
Anyway, I can't recall what the compression was and my numbers could be a little off, since it was almost 9 years ago. We changed-out so many different cams and rockers and such, that I'd have to call my buddy to remember. He's got it all written somewhere, as he runs a performance shop and he beefs-up alot of powerboats and racecars and trucks so he tends to file all the dyno/ build sheets. We originally started to build a 'Bummer' out of my truck, but then the company that made the fiberglass Hummer-replica was getting sued by GM when they took over the Hummer. So, we started messing with the engine, since we already had it torn apart.
As far as the catalyst, I don't see the point in talking about it, since nobody cares about it anyway. I don't get any money from them, so what do I care if anybody gets one?! I'll be getting one soon for my JK, because I know it worked for me. Every gain counts...
I already got my cold-air-intake, and I'll be sealing it off from the engine compartment and heat-shielding it too. Even though many people don't think they really make a difference, I'll keep trying to squeak every bit of power out of my engine. After the catalyst, I'm gonna try the TB spacer, even though it only makes a difference at low RPM it would still be nice to have a little more torque since I won't be changing my gears for at least a year or two... Then I'll be getting a reprogrammer, for the shift-points and speedo and power....
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thanks for getting back on topic (I was about to lock the thread);)
no joke, i was getting close to locking or moving
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Hey, guys, sorry for the lapse of reason...
Anyway, I can't recall what....
Just curious, because SBC305 Heads don't bolt up to the LS platform.
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Having wheeled with Jeff, I do have respect for him. With that being said, if I dont feel that the product he is telling us about will work, then I will simply just not buy it. No need to comment my opinions. :-X
It did seem that they quickly jumped all over him on the other thread.
I did google the Fitch product and I couldnt find a place to sign-up and sell it. I do need some money being married and all. :D
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Maybe he IS FITCH ;D
j/k :P
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Having wheeled with Jeff, I do have respect for him. With that being said, if I dont feel that the product he is telling us about will work, then I will simply just not buy it. No need to comment my opinions. :-X
It did seem that they quickly jumped all over him on the other thread.
I did google the Fitch product and I couldnt find a place to sign-up and sell it. I do need some money being married and all. :D
I appreciate the comments and the level-headed attitude. That is the kind of mentality that attracted me to this forum. That, and the fact that everyone I met at the Knob seemed to be down-to-earth. Thanks for being cool...
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Just curious, because SBC305 Heads don't bolt up to the LS platform.
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Like I said, it was a long time ago... I could be completely mistaken, and it could have been an LT1 engine. Or we may have used the entire top-end from a 305 or 350... Just not sure... This isn't going to end, until I get the spec sheets, huh? I'll see if I can find his #.
Or, I could find out if my buddy that bought the truck still has it.... Then, I could buy it back and drive it out here from California and show you. Yeah, right... :)
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Sorry I haven't been on the forum for a couple of days. After reading the other forum and the way those guys operate, I'm glad this is about the only forum I'm involved with. Like Matt said, I've been with Jeff on the trails. He definitely seemed to be the most experienced and helped everyone and anyone that needed some advice or what-have-you. Therefor, I won't be bashing him or do any name calling. I have nothing but respect for him and because of that I will take the information he's given us on this product and keep it in my head. Since he's not making any money off of it, and whether or not it worked, according to him it did, so by that I will just consider him bringing it to our attention, a favor. Unless I know someone personally who had bought the product and it performed terribly, then I've got no reason to jump down anyone's throat about "selling" me something that didn't work.
So, Jeff you've got my respect as well. I hope that we can wheel on a trail again sometime soon. This time, I hope to actually be doing the wheeling myself.
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Thanks for being cool...
I can't help it! ;D
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Hey Daniel, just stop it..... I'm getting all warm and fuzzy... I'm gonna to drive over to your house and give you a big hug.... Friend. :-*
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WooooooHooooooooo! A couple more days till Tellico! ;D
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I'm gonna to drive over to your house and give you a big hug
Hey hey.. I'll be waitin'
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Oh, yeah.... I just wanted to say one more thing before this thread fades away.... I am Fitch.
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:o :o :o :o
;D
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well....
I am Kaiser Sosa...
8)
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Mike are you a "Usual Suspect" ?
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Excuse me for being a backwoods hillbilly but... who is Kaiser Sosa?
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Keyser Söze is the devil himself. He is a very powerful man.
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He is a very powerful man.
Not in my neck o' the woods
edit: he is a drug lord or some kind of criminal right? lol that's what I was assuming
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he was a druglord in the movie usual suspects that the police were never able to find.
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a.k.a Verbal
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Holy mother of old threads. I still talk about this my racing buddies from time to time. LMAO! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Wow, this awesome. I'm glad you dragged this from the vault. :)
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our nascar doesn't have one