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MEMBERS DISCUSSION AREA => General Discussion => Topic started by: Techrider85 on March 19, 2012, 09:24:45 PM
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http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/cto/2908007783.html
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Looks like a good deal. I've never seen it though.
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half tread my ass how bout no tread
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The rear tires are on the wrong side (Iroks are directional) and the hardtop is useless since the rear window hinges have been ripped out. ::)
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As XJcrawler said the rear window is done and probably did a lot of damage to the hard top. Driver seat needs to be re-done bad. No spare tire or place to carry at 39" tire. Receiver on the back can take a d-ring but there are no front tow points. Good axles, good winch, decent miles. I wonder if the doors have the same fancy paint job?
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Needs to be lowered as well.
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Yea I didn't know if it's worth it. I'm just looking for a wrangler. I have the wrangler itch so I'm looking for a great deal for under $6,000.
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Pass. for the price, you can find a TJ and build it.
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Ok I'm new to the wrangler thing. All I find online are about $7500. Where can I find I good used one cheaper? Thanks for the help.
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Ok I'm new to the wrangler thing. All I find online are about $7500. Where can I find I good used one cheaper? Thanks for the help.
Anything $6000 and less is a deal or needs a lot of work. 200k mile TJ's bring $5000. Jeeps hit a bottom and are never worth less unless damaged or broken.
The deal of the week is here:
http://www.southernjeeps.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=38147
(http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b30/SayBye/Resampled_2011-12-24_10-35-18_67.jpg)
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I have a friend selling a Sahara cheap. I will see what he wants and some pics. 4.0 mt on 35s. Welded front & rear. D35/d30
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I have a friend selling a Sahara cheap. I will see what he wants and some pics. 4.0 mt on 35s. Welded front & rear. D35/d30
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WTF
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Spider gears are $25. </LMAO/>
It still a 97 Sahara for $6k
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Where is the ad? That's a smokin deal!! :smoke
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Where is the ad? That's a smokin deal!! :smoke
Its not listed yet, but he is going to send me some pics.
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here are some pics. Let me know if you need more.
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That is nice looking
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here are some pics. Let me know if you need more.
air conditioning?
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Yes A/C works. Besides the ding in the passenger door, the front of the front fenders have some dents. Its not a show jeep, but it is a solid jeep.
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Engine has about 100k, Body is at 206k
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Matt, you should pull the motor and swap your 4 into it ;D
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Matt, you should pull the motor and swap your 4 into it ;D
Replace crap with crap? </LMAO/>
V8 or I will just keep my 4 cylinder
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I love the 4.0L!! No need for the V8 if you can get a smoking deal on a 4.0. I've been trying to blow mine up for years now </LMAO/>
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iws
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I love the 4.0L!! No need for the V8 if you can get a smoking deal on a 4.0. I've been trying to blow mine up for years now </LMAO/>
Same amount of work for a swap to I6 or V8, so its not worth going to a I6 IMHO. Ive drove both, 4.0 it aint much better in the power department.
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4.0 has a ton of power for the trails and street. Mine has more than enough to turn my 35's. You just been behind the wheel of that 4 pooper too long! Gears are all you need for the 4.0 {popcorn}
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4.0 has a ton of power for the trails and street. Mine has more than enough to turn my 35's. You just been behind the wheel of that 4 pooper too long! Gears are all you need for the 4.0 {popcorn}
Mine has plenty of power for the trails and street too. I can maintain the same or better highway speeds than the 4.0L jeeps on 35s. 75-85MPH all day long in 5th gear, uphill it never drops below 70MPH. So why swap for a marginally (VERY SLIM) better engine, with a little better take off. If I put the work in, it will be for something thats worth it. Your welcome to drive mine any time for a comparison. //OLDSKOOL//
If you think the 4.0L is powerful, then you been driving a jeep too long. {rtft}
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You is crazy Matt! ;D So you don't take torque into account? My 4.88, vs. your 4.88 4cyl in crawling. As in let the clutch out and let it walk, you are telling me it would perform the same? No way! You would bog out way too quick when encountering a rock or hill. As for highway, I cannot see any way in heck that your 4cyl could do better on the highway than a 6cyl. I have plenty of power as well but this just sounds crazy to me. Here is my thoughts on a v8 swap...
1. cool
2. cool
3. once the swap is done, you now have to build EVERYTHING else to handle the extra power. All of that power has to go somewhere and it will end up breaking more parts than a 6cyl would. Yes, driving style matters but that power has to be transmitted into energy throughout the running gear, trans, trans case, u joints, driveshafts, etc.
To me, unless you are wanting to play with full built buggies like tanner and those guys, there is no need for it. Just look at how many rigs we have in this club running 37's and up and still using the 4.0. Danny is running 40's and has no issue with lack of power, same for Larry and he is on street gears ;D Like I said, there is definitely a cool factor to a swap, but to me, not even worth the time or $ to do it. You could put that time and $ into alot of other more functional things for the vehicle. I am not [hammer] on you, just stating my points and what I think about it. I just can't see a 4cyl, being comparable to a 6cyl 4.0 in any way shape or form
Not sure what year yours is, but look at the ratings...
2.5L I-4 151 cu in - 1997-2002
* 120 hp @ 5,400 RPM
* 140 ft/lbs @ 3,500 RPM
* OHV
* Sequential port fuel injection
* 2 valves per cylinder
* Compression ratio = 9.20:1 (97-00) / 9.10:1 (01-02)
2.4L I-4 148 cu in - 2003-2006
* 147 hp @ 5,200 RPM
* 165 ft/lbs @ 4,000 RPM
* DOHC
* 4 valves per cylinder
* Compression ratio = 9.50:1
4.0L I-6 242 cu in - 2000-2006
* 190 hp @ 4,600 RPM
* 235 ft/lbs @ 3,200 RPM
* OHV
* Sequential port fuel injection
* 2 valves per cylinder
* Compression ratio = 8.80:1
* Distributor-less ignition
* Redesigned cylinder head
* Redesigned 2 piece exhaust manifold
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I have plenty of power as well but this just sounds crazy to me. Here is my thoughts on a v8 swap...
3. once the swap is done, you now have to build EVERYTHING else to handle the extra power.
Sounds like your trying to take me into V8ing my Tj.
To me, unless you are wanting to play with full built buggies like tanner and those guys, there is no need for it. Just look at how many rigs we have in this club running 37's and up and still using the 4.0. Danny is running 40's and has no issue with lack of power, same for Larry and he is on street gears
This was true for me for years up till the Harlan ky trip. That was my 1st trip out with 5.38s.
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How did the 5.38's work for you? That's what I'm running in my new to me axles along with the stock 231 and was just wandering if it was low enough.
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How did the 5.38's work for you? That's what I'm running in my new to me axles along with the stock 231 and was just wandering if it was low enough.
i have a 4:1 tcase. I love it. The tj will bark the tires shifting into every gear in on the pavement in 4wl. I can climb most stuff in 3rd.
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How did the 5.38's work for you? That's what I'm running in my new to me axles along with the stock 231 and was just wandering if it was low enough.
i have a 4:1 tcase. I love it. The tj will bark the tires shifting into every gear in on the pavement in 4wl. I can climb most stuff in 3rd.
Cool, that's what I wanted to hear, although I don't have 4:1 yet! I have been eyeballing that RubiCrawler though.
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You is crazy Matt! ;D So you don't take torque into account? My 4.88, vs. your 4.88 4cyl in crawling. As in let the clutch out and let it walk, you are telling me it would perform the same? No way! You would bog out way too quick when encountering a rock or hill. As for highway, I cannot see any way in heck that your 4cyl could do better on the highway than a 6cyl. I have plenty of power as well but this just sounds crazy to me. Here is my thoughts on a v8 swap...
1. cool
2. cool
3. once the swap is done, you now have to build EVERYTHING else to handle the extra power. All of that power has to go somewhere and it will end up breaking more parts than a 6cyl would. Yes, driving style matters but that power has to be transmitted into energy throughout the running gear, trans, trans case, u joints, driveshafts, etc.
To me, unless you are wanting to play with full built buggies like tanner and those guys, there is no need for it. Just look at how many rigs we have in this club running 37's and up and still using the 4.0. Danny is running 40's and has no issue with lack of power, same for Larry and he is on street gears ;D Like I said, there is definitely a cool factor to a swap, but to me, not even worth the time or $ to do it. You could put that time and $ into alot of other more functional things for the vehicle. I am not [hammer] on you, just stating my points and what I think about it. I just can't see a 4cyl, being comparable to a 6cyl 4.0 in any way shape or form
Not sure what year yours is, but look at the ratings...
2.5L I-4 151 cu in - 1997-2002
* 120 hp @ 5,400 RPM
* 140 ft/lbs @ 3,500 RPM
* OHV
* Sequential port fuel injection
* 2 valves per cylinder
* Compression ratio = 9.20:1 (97-00) / 9.10:1 (01-02)
2.4L I-4 148 cu in - 2003-2006
* 147 hp @ 5,200 RPM
* 165 ft/lbs @ 4,000 RPM
* DOHC
* 4 valves per cylinder
* Compression ratio = 9.50:1
4.0L I-6 242 cu in - 2000-2006
* 190 hp @ 4,600 RPM
* 235 ft/lbs @ 3,200 RPM
* OHV
* Sequential port fuel injection
* 2 valves per cylinder
* Compression ratio = 8.80:1
* Distributor-less ignition
* Redesigned cylinder head
* Redesigned 2 piece exhaust manifold
Looks good on paper, hows it working in real life.
1. Our final crawl ratio is pretty much the exact same. Actually mine is a bit better (52.03 vs 50.84), but again doesnt mean much on paper. I dont bog down on anything in 4LO. If its too steep then all 4 tires loose traction, which I assume yours does the same. If you let RPM die when you let out on the clutch of course it will die on hill. Neither of our gear or power is gonna prevent that.
2. If you doubt my highway speed, drive over here and take it for a spin, post up the results.
Adam and anyone else that has rode in my jeep can confirm (my speedo is correct as well), this jeep will do 85 mph on the interstate and not drop below 70 mph. If yours cant do that then why would I want to put a 4.0L in? Whats final HP & Torque, when your not taking into account where your making that power in the RPM band, trans gear ratios, overall vehicle weight, etc.
I have no reason to lie about my jeep, nor do I complain about it not having enough power. I will probably be running 37s with this same engine. Remember your the one who thinks I need to put a 4.0 in my jeep? I am not trying to convince you to swap to a 2.5. There is not enough benefit for the amount of work that goes into that swap (FACT). If there is an engine swap in my future it will be V8 and if I have to swap everything else, I will. I have the knowledge and when money comes so will the mods.
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I'm not saying the 2.5 is more powerful, just 4.0 is not much better.
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I can say this... If you ask the majority, anyone would take the 4.0 over the 4cyl. I still don't think the crawling ability is that close. Torque determines that. Again, not looking to argue or get in a debate over this, just stating my opinion on the 2 engines and the fact (to me) the 4.0 is a much better motor in the end or on paper. Would I want a v8, honestly, no. Just a waste of power for my type of wheeling. We need to do a side by side crawl test sometime. I would like to see the difference, if any. I might be dead wrong!
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So if the 4.0 is so great. What kind of gas mileage are
you getting? A 5.3 in a tj is getting right at 22mpg. If you
are DD it u don't see where you can go wrong. IMO
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Torque would have a factor if there was a bigger difference or if the 4 cyl was way under powered. The point is it has plenty of torque to turn the size tires that are on it, so I think you will have to go more off your final crawl ratio. I have driven alot of 4.0s and 2 rubicons. The only one I felt a real difference (Crawling) in was the Rubicon for obvious reasons. How many 2.5s have you driven, your welcome to take mine for a spin the next time we are at a park and crawl your heart out, I think your opinion will change.
Also I think your missing the point, I am not debating that the 4.0 is superior, I think it is only marginally superior and not worth the money and time for a swap when compared to what is in the vehicle now. If the money and time is going to be spent it will be on a V8. Most stock V8, are not way over powered, but have plenty of potential. I would want a V8 for the cool factor and speed on the road, not on the rocks. You can still wheel with finesse with a V8.
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In my opinion, the inline 6 is one of the best motors ever built. Bullet proof and dependable and plenty of power. No, never driven a 4cyl, I believe what you say, not debating that. Just stating that the 4.0 is a better motor IMO than the 4cyl. It might not be a rockstar compared to the 4, but I would rather have the 6 if I had a choice. I know your jeep came with the 4, so no choice in that, but wonder if your opinion would be the same if it was a 6? As for the v8 comment from bjeep, yeah, would love to have it!! But I do not have the skills, time or $ to do a swap like that. Would I if I could... more than likely, no. I am completely happy with my 6. My wheeling style fits it perfectly. It has power when I need it and I am not one to bounce the rev limiter much. I guess my point to this is, I think the majority of guys running a 6 are completely happy with it's performance and most have no plans on swapping one. Matt, I value your opinions on stuff like this and as I stated, I could be blown away if I drove yours around for a bit. But for me and my Jeep, we will have the 6 ;D
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I got you, but I WILL put you behind the wheel of mine next time we meet. It will be apples to apples offroad and will keep up on the highway. Until I can afford a V8, I am satisfied with what mine has been given. Also I think most of the V8 swaps I seen on pirate are from 4.0L jeeps and some also a few from 2.5L. They both blow equally in my opinion or they both can be equally satisfying & dependable for daily driving/weekend warrioring. I just wouldnt swap one for the other, either way. {cheers2}
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Ive had 6 Jeep vehicles with a 6 cyl. A worthwhile upgrade if you dont have it.
Ive had 1 Jeep with a 4 cyl. Worst motor ever made. Sold the vehicle within a month of purchase.
{poke}
A 4 banger should be in a Jeep just as much as chrome accessories. {peek}
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A worthwhile upgrade if you dont have it.
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I had a 4 cyl mustang once, I wonder if I should have spent the same money & time putting a V6 in it instead of a V8 :hlp
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My old Jeep was a 4-banger. Not a great highway performer but with 5.13 gears it was a quite decent crawler. A benefit was that I was less likely to break anything in the drivetrain. Were I to buy a TJ today I'd want the 4.0.
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First off i think this is hilarious where this conversation has went...
Second, Mustangs should never be anything but v8's
Third, Matt's making a point, not saying the 2.5 is better than the 4.0. But There is no point in upgrading if it does not make a considerable difference. when you factor in time and cost you might as well do what you want and not just what works.
But I think I speak for most when I say most people would choose the 4.0 over 2.5 if they had the option.
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First off i think this is hilarious where this conversation has went...
Second, Mustangs should never be anything but v8's
Third, Matt's making a point, not saying the 2.5 is better than the 4.0. But There is no point in upgrading if it does not make a considerable difference. when you factor in time and cost you might as well do what you want and not just what works.
But I think I speak for most when I say most people would choose the 4.0 over 2.5 if they had the option.
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