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MEMBERS DISCUSSION AREA => General Discussion => Topic started by: DOUG on June 05, 2012, 03:29:30 PM
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Obama has made numerous attempts to quote Lincoln
SO WHY DOESN'T OBAMA USE THIS FAMOUS LINCOLN QUOTE:
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.
... Abraham Lincoln
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I posted the following as a reply to some Dem that keeps arguing with me about "O"!
I finally just posted a simple reply to appeal to ones common sense rather that party affiliation..I have heard "O" about "O" since!
we borrow $00.40 for each dollar we spend...forget the name, forget the party and think what you should do about it..non partisan thinking...would you run your house or business this way?...would you think the CEO..COO of your work to maintain his/her job!...forget politics...think common sense! Would you want "YOUR" boss to run a company in the fashion? How long would your company last under this behavior? Would you be a bit unhappy if you were terminated due to incompetence?...You would expect no matter who is at the helm that they knew how to solve problems....
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Love that quote from Lincoln!
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I know we are supposed to post graphics here but I just had to throw my 2 cents in the whole problem with all of them is they are only thinking of how to put more green backs in their own pocket.
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My .02, term limits on congress!!!
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If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that.
Somebody else made that happen.
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What an asshole. I cant wait for him to go.
I stand next to this guy.
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ME TOO!
I stand next to this guy.
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What a joke. This clown needs to go ASAP! But the next clown is almost as bad....
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Article I, Section 9, of the Constitution, the emolument clause, clearly stipulates: "And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State."
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Land of the FREE has come to mean something different than originally intended:
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Too funny..
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Election Day is tomorrow! Obama will obviously grab the early lead...until the rest of us get off work!!
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Ha ha! I am actually nervous and am praying the house changes this time. Another 4 years of this and I will probably be out of a job and this country will not be circling the toilet bowl but willbe flushed!
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Ha ha! I am actually nervous and am praying the house changes this time. Another 4 years of this and I will probably be out of a job and this country will not be circling the toilet bowl but willbe flushed!
Im with you, one good thing to note, is all the poll data over the last 6mo. has been heavly skewed Dem. which alot of analysis say is a mistake. so we will all know Wed morning.
I feel bad for kids in college or getting out, no jobs out their.
at this point all we can do is pray ppl are not as dumb as they where 4 years ago.
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In line waiting for 7 to vote!
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In line waiting for 7 to vote!
Big lines already
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I am about 50 and inside. Got here at 6:30. About 150 in line now.
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Wow!!!!!
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Go get em everyone!
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I did my part last Monday!!!! GO MITT ROMNEY!!!!
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I did my part last Monday!!!! GO MITT ROMNEY!!!!
Ditto!
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Done! About 200 in line when I pulled away.
Just like government... 2 I.D. check machines, and 7 voting boxes, and the I.D. is the bottle neck! Voting stands half empty or more all the time.
Weather is nasty!
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I did my part last Monday!!!! GO MITT ROMNEY!!!!
What he said...
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Any rides in 2013 gonna be in Canada?? Not sure if I can make any in the US as I am looking to move...sad day
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Man, you said it there. Seriously, is the American society really that lazy, and that far gone? I'm almost ashamed to call myself one.
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I am not happy with who is in office but what country are you going to move to that is better? Several countries have stricter gun laws and crappy health care system and higher rates of poverty. Picking where you want to live is like picking the president, lesser of the 2 evils!
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I know, just frustrated. I'm very concerned about how much debt this country will have in 4 yrs. Praying that I am proven wrong.
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I wish a candidate would come along with the Fair Tax and reduce gov size and spending. The amount of positions in gov is crazy! Not to mention all the "grants" they hand out. We are putting flat screen tvs in all the dorms in the jail that are nicer than the tv in my living room all paid for by a federal grant...
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the problem is, to many that depend on gov. handouts, can vote, and they will continue to vote to keep getting their check/handout.
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the problem is, to many that depend on gov. handouts, can vote, and they will continue to vote to keep getting their check/handout.
Its the flaw to me. Those who get handouts can vote to continue to get handouts. Almost makes you wish we could go back a few years to voter requirements. Maybe not a read/write but tax payers. If you pay into the system you get to help pick the system. You collect from the system, you get whatever the middle class chooses to give you.
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I am not happy with who is in office but what country are you going to move to that is better? Several countries have stricter gun laws and crappy health care system and higher rates of poverty. Picking where you want to live is like picking the president, lesser of the 2 evils!
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Australia...
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Australia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia
"Australia today has arguably some of the most restrictive firearms legislation in the world."
Like I said, lesser of the 2 evils. Got to pick whats important to you I guess. I like my guns so Australia would be out for me personally. I would like to vacation there 1 day though!
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Australia...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Australia
"Australia today has arguably some of the most restrictive firearms legislation in the world."
Like I said, lesser of the 2 evils. Got to pick whats important to you I guess. I like my guns so Australia would be out for me personally. I would like to vacation there 1 day though!
Yea but the people there dont need to be shot as often...
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Almost hate to say this but... I feel ashamed to be called an American this morning.
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Matt that is a good point. Guns are a hobby to me though but needing them less for protection, more for fun would feel almost strange </BEER/>
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Matt that is a good point. Guns are a hobby to me though but needing them less for protection, more for fun would feel almost strange </BEER/>
You can always pick up a six shooter in a paper sack at the liquor store. </ARMATA/>
Who likes moving anyways. I am gonna stick around and watch the second Revolutionary war
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Matt that is a good point. Guns are a hobby to me though but needing them less for protection, more for fun would feel almost strange </BEER/>
You can always pick up a six shooter in a paper sack at the liquor store. </ARMATA/>
Who likes moving anyways. I am gonna stick around and watch the second Revolutionary war
Im ready, got plenty of ammo. with my .306 i will just hang out on my roof and snipe away. </ARMATA/>
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Almost hate to say this but... I feel ashamed to be called an American this morning.
I am so with you Ben. Even my guys can tell I am one PI$$ED off SOB today. And everyone thaught I was ticked when he first got elected.... :fu( :fu( :fu( :fu( :fu( :fu( :fu( :fu( {WTF1} {WTF1} {WTF1} {WTF1} {WTF1}
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Yup. Just in a bad mood today and don't even want to see a tv report since everyone thinks he is some sort of super hero. All I know is I always hated when people would say "I told you so" but in this case... I will be smiling when I say it for the next 4 years. I am already looking forward to my new tax increase on Jan 1st. //BAG//
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I wish I could disagree with ya'll but sadly al I can do is hang my head in disgust at the way our what used to be wonderful country is gone :'(
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Completely bummed today. Sad day for our kids.
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and my poor 401k. stocks just took a hit today.
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12,000 pts down... people see the writing on the wall {popcorn}
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12,000 pts down... people see the writing on the wall {popcorn}
Which people? 50% of the US voted for him.
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Yep... the election sucked! I am so glad I don't put my faith in man or government but in Him. I just about had it and now need to accept that I am in the monitory, I am an independent thinker and want personal independence. Sad to think that describes the monitory.
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Looks like the lines have been drawn.
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Divided we stand... Maybe I should quit my job and just jump on the wave. Be alot easier and cheaper...
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Divided we stand... Maybe I should quit my job and just jump on the wave. Be alot easier and cheaper...
The other day me and a couple of guys started to think about all the programs one could easily qualify for and would probably make more money than we do now... Sad isnt? The lower class who collects seems to live it better than the middle that gives it
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The other day me and a couple of guys started to think about all the programs one could easily qualify for and would probably make more money than we do now... Sad isnt? The lower class who collects seems to live it better than the middle that gives it
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Now, just imagine what we have in store for us as a nation... our childrens futures as well. The numbers don't lie, the people that voted him into office this time are the people getting the hand outs. You saw the state map... RED! Not gonna be any better 4 years from now at the next election. This country is not the same country it was just 4 years ago and the change is not good! This is the future people... a future where you and I the working productive people of the country will be paying for others to mooch off the gov't. Look, I don't care if the pres is a man, woman, white, black, red, green whatever. Just steer it in the right direction. And that is just not happening anymore. Just look at the voting system in this country. Illegals are voting, most places do not even ask for ID... It makes me sick. I think they should change the laws for voting so that you must show you are a citizen with ID and not be apart of the welfare system. That would have changed the election outcome to the red. Just look at the early voting info they talk about with this election. Who do you think voted early... the unemployed and illegals. I know some of you on here are for Obama or don't give a flip to begin with. To those who voted for Obama, I would love to hear why and your reasoning based on the last 4 years! As for those who don't give a flyin fart, you should! This is your future and your families. I don't care if we have a dem or rep in office, I just want to see America respected again and feel proud to be one again! {salute}
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Dude, seriously you just brought a tear to my eye there.
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if we have a dem or rep in office
I think this party line crap is a huge problem now. They dont work together. They fight over stupid stuff just because 1 doesn't want to let the other's pass. Nothing ever gets done, nothing is fixed. How long have they been working to fix the "tax cliff" we hit at the end of this year? Now they got what, 54, 53 days to get it done. Clean your guns, load your mags, get some water and food and get ready for hard times ahead.
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A M E N Ben
I think this party line crap is a huge problem now. They dont work together. They fight over stupid stuff just because 1 doesn't want to let the other's pass. Nothing ever gets done, nothing is fixed. How long have they been working to fix the "tax cliff" we hit at the end of this year? Now they got what, 54, 53 days to get it done. Clean your guns, load your mags, get some water and food and get ready for hard times ahead.
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Ben... Well said!! </BEER/>
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Anyone care that we are going to have 51 states or how bout legalization of recreational marijuana. Some big steps right there. Noe we have one more democratic state that will most definitely vote for handouts. Wonder how many electoral votes that state will receive? We have to learn to tolerate each other, understand that others will have different opinions than our selves and that some people are just lazy. Is that going to change the way I live my life, No. Am I going to take the easy road, because 51% of Americans do, No. I have pride and have been raised a certain way. I will work 2-3 jobs if that's what it takes. There is nothing I wouldn't do to make money and provide for my family. Even if I have to give half to our over-sized government and they give half of that to all of these un-applied citizens. It will not make a difference in my life, my morals, or my beliefs. They can take our money, but they can never take our freedom. Worse comes to worse, I will go off the grid </ARMATA/>
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Oh where to start on Puerto Rico... they already have a food stamps program called NAP (Nutrition Assistance Program), the can get Medicare part B and get social security. I found a thing the other day online from AARP while searching that said we give $380 million a year to them for SS. Cant confirm that though... BUT they dont pay taxes. Would bringing them in to the states make them pay taxes? If so hell might as well... either tax them or kick them out completely IMO, screw these free rides. No telling how much money we would spend to add a star to a flag though.
Legalize marijuana. I am torn on this. There will need to be tax, regulation, medical studies done, ect just like alcohol and tobacco. It is a taxable item to possibly generate more revenue and could create LEGAL jobs and we know the market is already there for the product. BUT are we making a gate way drug legal? They have always called it a gate way drug to harder drugs, but they also said that about alcohol at 1 time. Right now there is no telling how many people we have tied up in the legal system for marijuana related crimes, in jail, in court, on probation for it, so the legal use of it could free up bed space, courts, MONEY.
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Federal law still trumps the state laws on this subject, so it will be interesting to see what DC will do about it. Right now the 2 states are saying the federal govenment doesnt have the man power to regulate it, so they probably wont. Taxation & regulation on this will be interesting. Mexico is also pissed about this "legalization", so that will put some pressure on our Govment.
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Right now the 2 states are saying the federal govenment doesnt have the man power to regulate it, so they probably wont.
Yep,good 60 minutes news story on medicinal marijuana(which is illegal under federal law) a few weeks ago. It spotlighted Colorado. They basically came out and said that the the Feds don't have the manpower to spend on enforcing it. As more states vote in medicinal and legal marijuana the Feds will be less and less able to deal with it. What may happen is that the Feds pull federal funding(education, roads, etc) for those states but has yet to happen.
I lean heavily libertarian and actually think, rightly or wrongly, that the States exercising more freedoms may be a good thing. The Federal government intrudes on our lives much more than our founding fathers ever planned. States should take back as much local control as they can. The problem...many states are on the Federal dole just like welfare participants. They get Federal funding and don't want to give it up.
Ramble out...time to wheel Windrock!
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He's spending our tax dollars on this...
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So, here's one that's already got my wife and I just fumin'. Texsun, you mite want to read this one brother...
Yesterday, she noticed a post of FB saying that the Army, and other branches, as of today 8 Mar 2013 will no longer be honoring Student Aid for school. This includes the GI Bill, Post 911 GI Bill, and all other student aid funding for both service members and family members. This really twists my taters in more ways than one. To begine with, I extended my enlistment contract by an additional 3 years to be ellegable to pass a portion of my Post 911 GI bill to Dawn so she could finish school and get her RN degree. Now that's not going to happen. Secondly, this is a breach of contract and as far as I see it this makes my current contract null and void. But do you think if by me trying to fight it is going to change anything?
I am so far beyone fed up with the pile of monkey sh!t this so called "administration" is trying to get away with. I can't exactly post the way I really want to handle things with out incriminating myself, but I believe eveyone here is tracking where I am with things. I'm right now at a point to just waiting for the straw that's going to break the camels back.
All I gota' say to those who voted for this homo is FU*K you very much! {salute}
Here is a link I found validating this.
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as much as I hate to say this I'm so glad I'm no longer in the service ya'll put your life on the line for the aholes that are stabbing you in the back gotta love your leaders they are the reason all these other countries have no respect for the US anymore
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I support out troops NOT our government. There is a site I LOVe to read called http://rense.com/ This guy is a great sorse of TRUE information....non of this watered down CNN NBC FOX Mainstream media :bs)
Hope you guys enjoy it as much as I do. Really opened my mind a long time ago.
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The peoples votes don't even matter...
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No photo but nice list:
Obama administration scandal
Frank: "Did you hear about the Obama administration scandal?"
Joe: "You mean the Mexican gun running?"
Frank: "No, the other one."
Joe: "You mean SEAL Team 6 Extortion 17?"
Frank: "No, the other one."
Joe: "You mean the State Dept. lying about Benghazi?"
Frank: "No, the other one."
Joe: "You mean the voter fraud?"
Frank: "No, the other one."
Joe: "You mean the military not getting their votes counted?"
Frank: "No, the other one."
Joe: "You mean that 3 or 4 of Obama's GAY boyfriends were mysteriously MURDERED when they came forward with claims he was gay too?"
Frank: "No, the other one."
Joe: "You mean the president demoralizing and breaking down the military?"
Frank: "No, the other one."
Joe: "You mean the Boston Bombing?"
Frank: "No, the other one."
Joe: "The NSA monitoring our phone calls, emails and everything else?"
Frank: "No, the other one."
Joe: "You mean the president wanting to kill Americans with drones in our own country without the benefit of the law?"
Frank: "No, the other one."
Joe: "Giving 123 Technologies $300 Million and right after it declared bankruptcy it was sold to the Chinese?"
Frank: "No, the other one."
Joe: "You mean the president arming the Muslim Brotherhood?"
Frank: "No, the other one."
Joe: "The IRS targeting conservatives?"
Frank: "No, the other one."
Joe: "The DOJ spying on the press?"
Frank: "No, the other one."
Joe: "Sebelius shaking down health insurance executives?"
Frank: "No, the other one."
Joe: "Giving SOLYNDRA $500 MILLION DOLLARS and right after they declared bankruptcy 3 months later the Chinese bought it?"
Frank: "No, the other one."
Joe: "The NSA monitoring our phone calls, emails and everything else?"
Frank: "No, the other one."
Joe: "The president's ordering the release of nearly 10,000 illegal immigrants from jails and prisons and falsely blaming the sequester?"
Frank: "No, the other one."
Joe: "The president's threat to impose gun control by Executive Order in order to bypass Congress?"
Frank: "No, the other one."
Joe: "The president's repeated violation of the law requiring him to submit a budget no later than the first Monday in February?"
Frank: "No, the other one."
Joe: "The 2012 vote where 115% of all registered voters in some counties voted 100% for Obama?"
Frank: "No, the other one."
Joe: "The president's unconstitutional recess appointments in an attempt to circumvent the Senate's advice-and-consent role?"
Frank: "No, the other one."
Joe: "The State Department interfering with an Inspector General investigation on departmental sexual misconduct?"
Frank: "No, the other one."
Joe: "HHS employees being given insider information on Medicare Advantage?"
Frank: "No, the other one."
Joe: "Clinton, the IRS, Clapper and Holder all lying to Congress?"
Frank: "No, the other one."
Joe: "I give up! ... Oh wait, I think I got it! You mean that 65 million low-information voters who don't pay taxes and get free stuff from taxpayers and stuck us again with the most pandering, corrupt administration in American history?"
Frank: "THAT'S THE ONE!"
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Even got the license plate.
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i love it. at least Jimmy Carter is happy he is not the "worst" president anymore. //LMAO//
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You know guys if you or I did our jobs like this bunch in the Whitehouse,Senate or House has done their jobs we'd be hunting a job now. They all have their collective heads in their collective asses. They should all have to participate in the same health care system as we do,have the same retirement and investment choices we do. To serve as a elected official was to be seen as a duty one performed then returned to his or her chosen profession. A service you performed for you fellow citizens. It was not meant to be a lifetime job that you hang on to for the benefits. These guys spend more time doing things to get themselves re elected than they do anything. This current place we find ourselves is a prime example. There is ample blame between both parties and the Whitehouse. We need term limits for house and senate seats,one four year term and change the Presidential term to one six year term. That way you take away all this posturing for re election and they do what they were sent there to do. Damn bunch of idiots we have now
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We also need Senators to be appointed by governors, not elected like the Representatives.
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a "congressmen" was NEVER intended to be an occupation. im definitely right winged, and a libertarian, but almost every one of the scumbags in congress (with the excpetion of a few) need to be thrown out. term limits must be put in place, but we all know that no congressmen will vote yes to term limits, because theyd be voting themselves out of a 300k/yr do-nothing job.
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We also need Senators to be appointed by governors, not elected like the Representatives.
thats how the founding fathers intended it , but like so much we have screwed it up.
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The "people" can self impose term limits, but the "people" aren't smart enough to actually do it. While congress has a terrible approval rating, most people think their congressmen are doing a good job.
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We also need Senators to be appointed by governors, not elected like the Representatives.
That was tried before until the 17th amendment. Results were worse before,
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We also need Senators to be appointed by governors, not elected like the Representatives.
That was tried before until the 17th amendment. Results were worse before,
One person's view of bad/worse may be another's view of good/awesome...I don't know of anything specific in that time period that makes me think things were good or bad by having governor appointed representatives, but they managed to get enough governor's to give up their rights in order to allow two sets of people's representatives...there must have been a good reason.
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One person's view of bad/worse may be another's view of good/awesome...I don't know of anything specific in that time period that makes me think things were good it bad by having governor appointed representatives, but they managed to get enough governor's to give up their rights in order to allow two sets of people's representatives...there must have been a good reason.
I don't think Governors historically appointed Senators except to fill a vacancy. Before the 17th amendment, I think Senators were chosen by state legislatures. And I wouldn't call them "peoples representatives". In fact, I think it's the exact opposite. Senators represent land more than people. Every state gets 2 Senators which means high population states like California (appox. 38 million people) gets the same number of Senate votes as a state like Wyoming (approx. 600,000 people). The Senate voting power of the small states is extremly lopsided and doesn't come close to the "one person, one vote" principal.
The "one person, one vote" principal is so far gone, that "Business Insider" made a map showing that one half of the US population lives in just 146 of the over 3000 counties in the country. Can you imagine how under-represented you are if you live in one of these counties (Fulton, Gwinnett, and Cobb in GA)? Just another reason for me to move to the country.
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The "people" can self impose term limits, but the "people" aren't smart enough to actually do it. While congress has a terrible approval rating, most people think their congressmen are doing a good job.
^^^ agreed. These career politicians and their fat-cat backers are making a mess. When more people know the names of the 3 stooges than know the 3 branches of government we are in trouble.
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Ya, my bad on stating governors selected senators. I was aware of the Senate make up. I'm still not a fan of direct election for both houses of congress and I believe having state's rights represented is as important as having individual's rights represented. Oh well, back to the original topic:
https://www.google.com/search?redir_esc=&client=ms-android-verizon&hl=en-US&safe=images&q=Obama%20pictures%20funny&source=android-browser-type&qsubts=1380838623312#biv=i%7C1%3Bd%7CgGlxh1ay1CVyeM%3A
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Statically, 1 out of 44 presidents can dunk.
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Statically, 1 out of 44 presidents can dunk.
That is funny!
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Guess I stirred that pot real good this morning....lol
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LMAO
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I hate there is so much truth in these
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Cracks me up...
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Creative folks...
The ObamaCare Hotline number
1-800-318-2596
can be spelt out as:
1-800-F1UCKYO.
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This is just wrong!
http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/2013/10/10/salvato-a-disgrace-worthy-of-a-resignation/?current=1
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LMAO reading through this thread. Me = //LMAO//
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It was so cold yesterday that I saw some Democrats with their hands in their own pockets.
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It was so cold yesterday that I saw some Democrats with their hands in their own pockets.
Awesome!
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Been awhile... election day update
Michelle says blacks that vote straight democratic and can have chicken afterwards. Where is the outrage?
http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/04/michelle-obamas-closing-argument-to-black-voters-dont-think-vote-for-democrats/ (http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/04/michelle-obamas-closing-argument-to-black-voters-dont-think-vote-for-democrats/)
And old now....
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http://www.usdebtclock.org/ (http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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Been awhile... election day update
Michelle says blacks that vote straight democratic and can have chicken afterwards. Where is the outrage?
http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/04/michelle-obamas-closing-argument-to-black-voters-dont-think-vote-for-democrats/ (http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/04/michelle-obamas-closing-argument-to-black-voters-dont-think-vote-for-democrats/)
And old now....
I tell every white person to vote librarian, regardless of position on the issues...and then I tell them to go eat fried chicken.
I would say the same to every black person.
I see no need for outrage.
Torg (or Clark)
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Don't waste your vote. Pick the next worse choice like I do.
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I question the decision making of anyone that votes Libertarian when there is no chance of them winning. They should vote for the next worse choice like I do.
Yep, it's that type of thinking that ensures a crappy two party system.
Torg (or Clark)
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A 2 party system is our only chance at preventing total socialism. 3 parties split the conservative vote and allow the libs more wins.
I'm for far less government but the tea party will hold national office before the libertarian party does.
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3 parties split the conservative vote and allow the libs more wins.
Both the UK and Canada have a 3-party system, and both have current conservative governments.
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Yes, agree. Their conservative is close to our liberal left wingers... Not our definition of conservative.
3 parties will never result in a true financially and socially conservative party in power here.
They are far more socialist than we are and much further down that path than we are, but we are headed that way.
I'm for a vote for every tax dollar paid.
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Doug, I am interpreting from your statements that you believe fiscal liberals will rally together while fiscal conservatives, because they are in different parties, will not be able to rally together. I do not agree with that belief.
I do believe the liberal and conservative vote will be reduced/split when there is another option available that isn't anti-abortion, pro-huge corporations, anti-government, and pro-war.
Torg (or Clark)
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Doug, I am interpreting from your statements that you believe fiscal liberals will rally together while fiscal conservatives, because they are in different parties, will not be able to rally together. I do not agree with that belief.
I do believe the liberal and conservative vote will be reduced/split when there is another option available that isn't anti-abortion, pro-huge corporations, anti-government, and pro-war.
Not exactly. Cliff notes: Liberals will never join in.
There are only the 2 decision ruling positions of Liberal and Conservative.
Liberals will never change from their party line unless the party moves away from the liberals primary concern(s). The 3rd party has no appeal to a liberal because they already have what is most important to them covered, and that is paramount to all. They won't join with conservatives as conservatives do not support most liberal programs.
The 3rd party pulls primarily from and fragments the conservative vote. Many conservatives are liberal on social issues and can vote 3rd party (LIBERTARIAN) without compromising on their morals as they support some social issues in belief they are their brothers keeper.
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Doug, I know for a fact there are democrat voters who do not want to support 'tax and spend' policies, but who will not vote for a republican due to the party's platform of anti-gay, pro-war, anti-non-white, pro-Christian, blah, blah, blah positions. In their minds, the evils of deficits and debt are not as bad as what the republicans represent on the social, religious, and war topics. I would never suggest these democrat voters are going to support Ted C, but there is a moderate middle ground available, if we can get more than the standard two parties we have now.
I will agree to disagree with you about the possibility of a third party. For now, and possibly the rest of US existence, you are in the driver's seat and can count on my vote to be thrown away!
Torg (or Clark)
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Big, Big swing in the Senate!!!!!
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Funny how suddenly now the Dems are making comments that they are looking forward to "working with". . funny how things change, just a while back it was. "we r going to ram it thru and there is nothing u can do" .. Obama is still nothing more than a hack, un qualified idiot, he has spent the last 6 years ramming his agenda thru, running this country into the ground., hopefully we can correct some things, but i feel he has done some deep damage...
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Impeach Time!!
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Impeach Time!!
won't happen...need 2/3rds of the senate to convict an impeachment from the house.
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Waste of time.
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The rest of this year is going to be dangerous.....
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^ Not if anything they want to do involves the House.
Torg (or Clark)
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Obama with his ego and pen.....
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Obama with his ego and pen.....
True, executive orders could occur...other presidents, in fact a very recent one, have done that same thing.
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Clark,no comparison....
Share your basis...
this narcissist is shreading the constitution.
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Clark,no comparison....
Share your basis...
this narcissist is shreading the constitution.
Oh, the drama over Obama!
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/orders.php
Look at the averages per year.
Please, share your basis for 'shredding the constitution'.
Torg (or Clark)
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The number of executive orders is pretty irrelevant since lots of them are just bureaucratic housekeeping that no one cares about.
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EO's are used by every president.
BO's EO's, to date, are actually less than any modern day president on an annual average. Regan did a ton of them. So did Clinton.
Also, EO's can be undone with a stroke of te pen by the new president.
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Also, EO's can be undone with a stroke of te pen by the new president.
Yep, one implemented by Reagan was undone by dummy Bush and then reissued by Obama.
Torg (or Clark)
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The number of executive orders is pretty irrelevant since lots of them are just bureaucratic housekeeping that no one cares about.
Absolutely...I was indicating that Obama is not alone in issuing EOs to get stuff done.
Torg (or Clark)
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Personally its not the use of EO, its what its used on and how "this" administration has decided that he can act as a dictator with it. I think thats the issue, not that they use it or how often, its on how "far" reaching that power is.
Reading back on some history, from what i can gather most historians since this was to be used in a limited arena and not to become "King" like, which, I think many.. "me included" have decided that "This" Toe sucker tosses around like a "Bully". hince the distaste.
just my .02
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The problem I have with the 'fear' of Obama revolves around a specific fear tactic used by gun rights fanatics. They incorrectly stated before, and during, his first term that he would "get rid of your guns". Then in the running for his second term, they said he didn't do it during his first term because he was waiting for his second term to do it. What a bunch of crap.
The health care act has been well received and to be honest, it was why he was elected the first time. I am assuming this is where you think he was the biggest bully. It isn't a perfect law...name one that is transformational that is perfect. If you have to get a major law with transformational actions through congress, you can't get it done and have it be perfect.
I work in private industry and we have to make decisions and take action without perfection...if we waited for perfection we would stagnate. We course correct along the way, but our long term goal doesn't change. That is what you will see with the healthcare act...many amendments to it coming for many years.
He's a terrible executive who hires poorly.
Torg (or Clark)
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The problem I have with the 'fear' of Obama revolves around a specific fear tactic used by gun rights fanatics. They incorrectly stated before, and during, his first term that he would "get rid of your guns". Then in the running for his second term, they said he didn't do it during his first term because he was waiting for his second term to do it. What a bunch of crap.
The health care act has been well received and to be honest, it was why he was elected the first time. I am assuming this is where you think he was the biggest bully. It isn't a perfect law...name one that is transformational that is perfect. If you have to get a major law with transformational actions through congress, you can't get it done and have it be perfect.
I work in private industry and we have to make decisions and take action without perfection...if we waited for perfection we would stagnate. We course correct along the way, but our long term goal doesn't change. That is what you will see with the healthcare act...many amendments to it coming for many years.
He's a terrible executive who hires poorly.
Torg (or Clark)
I hear you, not sure if i 100% agree, but yea. . I personally dont think he was ever prepared to lead, I mean,.. really, the man never really had a job. a senator.. who barely works, has no understanding of how to run anything.. yea, your last statement. executive who hires poorly.. is a soft way of putting it .. in my book. I personally think just about anyone who has really had to lead and manage.. would do better, ..
I disagree with the healthcare act. he got voted in.. IMO on a few other issues. he promoted a ton of free stuff, and to many folks in this country who have nothing... "vested". by that I mean the are "ticks" who suck on the tit of others.. are allowed to continue to vote in those who will promise free crap.. he did, they took it to the polls, now the rest of the country is paying for it.
it was and always has been about control and money, plain and simple. health care is a large cash cow, and you can control people, by making promises you cant keep. but. the idiots who vote cant see the "big" picture.. all they see is "free shit" woo.. and lets stick it to the guy who makes over 100k. he makes too much.. its a socialist way of thinking. (and Obama is a king socialist) and .. in my book is toxic and is worse than any other political stance..
again. .just my .02
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The health care act has been well received
Torg (or Clark)
Seriously?
No use in even talking anymore!
Thank God we live in America where it is your
right to believe in what you want and the right
to vote and make changes if you don't....PERIOD
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Yes I said THANK GOD !!
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It's been well-received by those who get subsidized. Others not so much.
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The health care act has been well received
Torg (or Clark)
Seriously?
No use in even talking anymore!
Thank God we live in America where it is your
right to believe in what you want and the right
to vote and make changes if you don't....PERIOD
It was so well received that in 2012 the conservatives couldn't get him out of office and conservatives lost ground in Congress. I guess you could fantasize that losing seats in Congress and not winning the White House after campaigning on the topic for years indicates how much people despise the law. Then two years later, after the law was implemented, the healthcare act was not a major campaign discussion. The fear of the law is much worse than the actual law....for now.
I want the government 100% out of healthcare because I am sure legislators will eventually outlaw the things I like (bbq, drugs, alcohol, candy, etc, etc) due to the burden it puts on the system. But my view does not align with a majority of Americans as indicated by polling and by elections.
I have not been positively or negatively affected by the law...it just does not affect me...yet.
This is a serious question: How did the healthcare law affect you? (frustration and fear due to having the law does not count!)
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Like the old Styx song say's
Welcome to the Grand Illusion.....
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Guess you like the group Spin Doctor's
cause you sound like their 2nd biggest hit......
"Little Miss Can't Be Wrong
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Lol, nice reference, Kevin.
Torg (or Clark)
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//SLAMIN// //BEER//
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We need to have a factual base to have an educated discussion.
Obamacare is not well received. The highest approval rating ever that I can find for Obamacare was 49%. Closer to 30% today. The more truth that comes out, the worse it is. Next year health care costs go up a high percentage for working families that use the Affordable Health Care Act, but no cost to low income families. But Obama won't tell yet.... http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/14/obamacare-website-wont-reveal-insurance-costs-for-/?page=all (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/14/obamacare-website-wont-reveal-insurance-costs-for-/?page=all)
OCTOBER 2014:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/60-percent-voters-want-obamacare-be-repealed_808409.html (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/60-percent-voters-want-obamacare-be-repealed_808409.html)
A new poll finds that three-fifths of likely voters support the repeal of Obamacare. A large plurality — 44 percent — wants to see Obamacare repealed and replaced with a conservative alternative. A much smaller group —16 percent — wants to see it repealed but not replaced. Less than one in three respondents — 32 percent — would like to keep Obamacare, whether in its current form or in amended form. So, with a conservative alternative in play, 60 percent of Americans support repeal, while only 32 percent oppose it.
McLaughlin & Associates asked 1,000 likely voters:
“Which comes closest to your view of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, commonly known as Obamacare?
“1. It should remain the law of the land, either in its current form or in amended form.
“2. It should be repealed and replaced with a conservative alternative that aims to lower health costs and help people get insurance.
“3. It should be repealed but not replaced with an alternative.”
Repeal and replace was chosen by a plurality of every age group, every income group aside from those making over $150,000, and both sexes. Among independents, 62 percent said they support repeal, with 46 percent backing a conservative alternative. Only 31 percent of independents support keeping Obamacare in its current form or in amended form. Among those who make between $20,000 and $100,000, 63 percent support repeal, with 48 percent backing a conservative alternative. Only 30 percent of such voters want to try to salvage Obamacare.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html)
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/repeal_of_health_care_law_favoroppose-1947.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/repeal_of_health_care_law_favoroppose-1947.html)
http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/28/just-before-deadline-obamacare-reaches-lowest-approval-rating-ever/ (http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/28/just-before-deadline-obamacare-reaches-lowest-approval-rating-ever/)
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What is Torg all about?
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Impeach Time!!
Do we really want to be stuck with Biden as president instead of Obama?
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I want secure borders, evict illegals, balanced budget, and a repeal of Obamacare for starters. Then we can work on stopping our tax dollars going to other countries for "aid" and eliminating fraud in entitlement programs.
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DEBT UP $7,500,000,000,000 UNDER OBAMA
Federal Debt Up $84,266 Per Full-Time Private-Sector Worker.
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Good ones
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