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Title: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: Anvilsam on May 15, 2018, 01:44:32 PM
Hey guys i need a little advice if anyone has any experience in this. We live in a small neighborhood of around 20 houses. There is a 6 acre lot that is just to the right of the road called Flat creek church road that a local up here wants to get rezoned to R3 (high density residential) and put in a trailer park. As you can guess our entire neighborhood is very upset about this. Have any of you guys had any experience in this and could potentially give me some advice as to how we can stop it? The meeting is this thursday the 17th and we learned yesterday that the gentleman has a lawyer to represent him and at this point its a little late for us to get one.
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: tcdawg on May 15, 2018, 01:52:40 PM
Look to see if your county has a future land use plan.  If so, see if the re-zoning conforms to that plan. 

If the re-zoning conforms to the current or future land use plan, you are likely out of luck.

If it doesn't, go to the zoning meeting, get on the list to speak and speak out against zoning outside of the County plan.  Write/email your county commissioner as well as your zoning commissioner.  Not sure about your county but it will likely have to pass the zoning commission and then the county commission.

Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: Raisinhead on May 15, 2018, 11:08:46 PM
Whatís the big deal with adding a few more trailers next to yours?
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: tjsahara00 on May 16, 2018, 02:47:52 AM
I would try to find out what kind of restrictions your county
has for trailers also. Most new trailer parks now days can
only have double wide's and a certain size lot with certain
codes. I think that would be the key to unsure it's not like
the first image that comes to your mind.
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: clark123456 on May 16, 2018, 05:05:17 AM
Serious:  Buy the land now, or when it opens rent every slot. 

Clark:  I've never lived in a trailer park, but I imagine it's a heck of a good time; comedian Larry Miller had a skit about the "5 levels of drinking", '6 if you live in a trailer park'. 


Send me the address, we could be neighbors. 

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Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: patman on May 16, 2018, 08:35:17 AM
I'm excited I finally get the opportunity to be your neighbor
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: jd30005 on May 16, 2018, 10:08:19 AM
Could be worse, you could have this guy living in a van down by the river.


Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: Anvilsam on May 16, 2018, 10:11:09 AM
Bunch of jerks. Thanks to @tcdawg  for being the only one to actually help. Oh and @patman  im pretty sure you couldn't afford one of these trailers but your jeep would fit right in with the other vehicles.
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: tjsahara00 on May 16, 2018, 10:16:00 AM
Well..... I reckon your welcome then
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: Anvilsam on May 16, 2018, 10:21:14 AM
Well..... I reckon your welcome then

Crap man i didn't even see your reply. Its hard to see it through all the bs. I appreciate the advice though. Basically an R3 (high density) in gilmer county is allowed up to 4 trailers per acre. They can be used but have to be newer than a certain year (the year i don't know).
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: tjsahara00 on May 16, 2018, 10:28:37 AM
I tried doing some research this morning on Gilmer
county. It was real hard trying to read through all
the language.....might be better to call
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: Anvilsam on May 16, 2018, 10:31:03 AM
I will add that one of my neighbors called and spoke with the property owner yesterday and he said that since he had been met with such resistance that he would do his best to make it as bad as he possibly could and put as many trailers on the property as the county regulations would allow. Hes being vindictive at this point.
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: BigPrince on May 16, 2018, 10:31:23 AM
I don't have anything real helpful other than to say what Tony mentioned is the approach folks took in Smyrna where a developer wanted to squeeze in a couple extra houses than the land was zoned for.  I believe it is the right approach even though in the Smyrna case, the developer finally got his way. 
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: Jeeptrk on May 16, 2018, 10:42:53 AM
I will add that one of my neighbors called and spoke with the property owner yesterday and he said that since he had been met with such resistance that he would do his best to make it as bad as he possibly could and put as many trailers on the property as the county regulations would allow. Hes being vindictive at this point.

are they doing any grading, septic, power lines, anything that could be reported for OSHA or environmental agencies to come and at least hassle the shit out of him about?
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: BigMike on May 16, 2018, 10:48:10 AM
Bunch of jerks. Thanks to @tcdawg  Oh and @patman  im pretty sure you couldn't afford one of these trailers but your jeep would fit right in with the other vehicles.

LMAO

I will add that one of my neighbors called and spoke with the property owner yesterday and he said that since he had been met with such resistance that he would do his best to make it as bad as he possibly could and put as many trailers on the property as the county regulations would allow. Hes being vindictive at this point.

How bad can it be?


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Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: Blue J on May 16, 2018, 10:51:00 AM
Homes are permitted and it does not differentiate between manufactured homes and stick built homes.
https://library.municode.com/ga/gilmer_county/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=SP2LADEOR_CH62AD_ARTIILAUSOR_DIV13TAPEUS_S62-221TAPEUS

I would be prepared to file an appeal to the Board of Land Use Appeals.

https://library.municode.com/ga/gilmer_county/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=SP2LADEOR_CH62AD_ARTIILAUSOR_DIV14BOLAUSAP

I learned about Mini codes when fighting the developers that clear cut the 4 acres behind my house. The townhomes that are being erected now are better than the aparments that were originally planned.
It took several developers before this happened though, so if you and your neighbors can be enough of a  pain in their ass. They may move on.

It will take some leg work. I would also call your county representative and let them know that their voters are not happy about this and see if you can get them on your side...they may only be seeing new taxes though.

You may be able to steer this so that its a nice community rather than some chicken shack ramshackle.
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: patman on May 16, 2018, 10:51:33 AM
I will add that one of my neighbors called and spoke with the property owner yesterday and he said that since he had been met with such resistance that he would do his best to make it as bad as he possibly could and put as many trailers on the property as the county regulations would allow. Hes being vindictive at this point.

He really said that? What a douche
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: BigMike on May 16, 2018, 10:51:49 AM
In all seriousness, how many of your neighbors are will to spend some money to stop the guy?  If 20 households put up $5k, you could probably make it not worth his time and too expensive to keep fighting.  Remember the golden rule.
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: patman on May 16, 2018, 10:58:11 AM
@patman  im pretty sure you couldn't afford one of these trailers but your jeep would fit right in with the other vehicles.

You may be giving your new neighbors too much credit. Which, ironically, they probably dont have too much of
Title: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: cru9 on May 16, 2018, 11:33:32 AM
That sucks. A least you drive a Cummins.  When they roll in a new house you can tow it off that night. 


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Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: Blue J on May 16, 2018, 11:35:38 AM
That sucks. A least you drive a Cummins.  When they roll in new house in you can tow it off that night. 


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 //LMAO//
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: BigPrince on May 16, 2018, 11:40:02 AM
I thought @cru9 lived across the steeet from @Anvilsam?
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: cru9 on May 16, 2018, 11:40:58 AM
I thought @cru9 lived across the steeet from @Anvilsam?
Nope.  I live on the north side of town.


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Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: Anvilsam on May 16, 2018, 11:44:19 AM
Homes are permitted and it does not differentiate between manufactured homes and stick built homes.
https://library.municode.com/ga/gilmer_county/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=SP2LADEOR_CH62AD_ARTIILAUSOR_DIV13TAPEUS_S62-221TAPEUS

I would be prepared to file an appeal to the Board of Land Use Appeals.

https://library.municode.com/ga/gilmer_county/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=SP2LADEOR_CH62AD_ARTIILAUSOR_DIV14BOLAUSAP

I learned about Mini codes when fighting the developers that clear cut the 4 acres behind my house. The townhomes that are being erected now are better than the aparments that were originally planned.
It took several developers before this happened though, so if you and your neighbors can be enough of a  pain in their ass. They may move on.

It will take some leg work. I would also call your county representative and let them know that their voters are not happy about this and see if you can get them on your side...they may only be seeing new taxes though.

You may be able to steer this so that its a nice community rather than some chicken shack ramshackle.

very good info here.

thanks
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: Anvilsam on May 16, 2018, 11:55:14 AM
I thought @cru9 lived across the steeet from @Anvilsam?
Nope.  I live on the north side of town.


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the not poor side of town.
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: Anvilsam on May 16, 2018, 02:15:31 PM
He has now posted it for sale by owner. It makes me wonder if heís figured out itís not going to go through or if that was his plan all along.


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Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: cru9 on May 16, 2018, 02:17:03 PM
After he spent the money and cleared a bunch of trees.  What an idiot.


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Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: Anvilsam on May 16, 2018, 02:20:20 PM
After he spent the money and cleared a bunch of trees.  What an idiot.


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I hope he comes to the shop someday needing something. I will probably go to jail.
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: cru9 on May 16, 2018, 02:21:11 PM
After he spent the money and cleared a bunch of trees.  What an idiot.


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I hope he comes to the shop someday needing something. I will probably go to jail.

Haha.


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Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: kent10sne1 on May 16, 2018, 02:28:22 PM
After he spent the money and cleared a bunch of trees.  What an idiot.


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I hope he comes to the shop someday needing something. I will probably go to jail.

You could always sneak over and push the sign down.  Opppps  wind must have knocked it over.  ;)
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: patman on May 16, 2018, 03:37:06 PM
How large is the property?
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: Anvilsam on May 16, 2018, 03:39:47 PM
How large is the property?

Just a little less than 6 acres.
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: Anvilsam on May 16, 2018, 03:42:38 PM
How large is the property?

I know what you are thinking @patman . Why would sam buy that property when he could buy my jeep and still have 149,000 left over?
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: patman on May 16, 2018, 03:46:49 PM
How large is the property?

I know what you are thinking @patman . Why would sam buy that property when he could buy my jeep and still have 149,000 left over?

149,000 and a never ending supply of panties being thrown at you. Might even luck out and catch some your size
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: Anvilsam on May 16, 2018, 04:08:51 PM
How large is the property?

I know what you are thinking @patman . Why would sam buy that property when he could buy my jeep and still have 149,000 left over?

149,000 and a never ending supply of panties being thrown at you. Might even luck out and catch some your size
Iím sure I would since 95 percent are menís panties.


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Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: Big Dave on May 16, 2018, 04:31:58 PM
Look on the bright side, if a trailer park does get approved
1. You won't have to travel too far to get yer drugs
2. The guy that cuts yer grass can look over the fence to see when he needs to come back. 

I'm a cup half full guy.
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: BigPrince on May 16, 2018, 04:53:47 PM
How large is the property?

Just a little less than 6 acres.

I donít mean any offense but is property still that expensive that far up there?  You guys arenít exactly on 285 and the farther out you get the cheaper itís supposed to get(barring the mountains/resorts which I didnít think you were far enough up for also). Dang.
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: Anvilsam on May 16, 2018, 05:08:04 PM
How large is the property?

Just a little less than 6 acres.

I donít mean any offense but is property still that expensive that far up there?  You guys arenít exactly on 285 and the farther out you get the cheaper itís supposed to get(barring the mountains/resorts which I didnít think you were far enough up for also). Dang.
F no itís not. Acreage like that should be around 8,000 to 10,000 an acre. This prick is just trying to make a pile of money by scaring someone into purchasing it.


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Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: BigPrince on May 16, 2018, 05:16:07 PM
How large is the property?

Just a little less than 6 acres.

I donít mean any offense but is property still that expensive that far up there?  You guys arenít exactly on 285 and the farther out you get the cheaper itís supposed to get(barring the mountains/resorts which I didnít think you were far enough up for also). Dang.
F no itís not. Acreage like that should be around 8,000 to 10,000 an acre. This prick is just trying to make a pile of money by scaring someone into purchasing it.


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That makes more sense.  My uneducated guess was 5-8k cleared but Iím always looking for bottom deals. $25k/ac is insane.
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: Anvilsam on May 16, 2018, 05:39:14 PM
How large is the property?

Just a little less than 6 acres.

I donít mean any offense but is property still that expensive that far up there?  You guys arenít exactly on 285 and the farther out you get the cheaper itís supposed to get(barring the mountains/resorts which I didnít think you were far enough up for also). Dang.
F no itís not. Acreage like that should be around 8,000 to 10,000 an acre. This prick is just trying to make a pile of money by scaring someone into purchasing it.


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That makes more sense.  My uneducated guess was 5-8k cleared but Iím always looking for bottom deals. $25k/ac is insane.
Higher end stuff up here with 360 degree views can get stupid expensive but this is low lying property on the side of a state highway


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Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: Scott F. on May 16, 2018, 06:18:20 PM
How large is the property?

Just a little less than 6 acres.

I donít mean any offense but is property still that expensive that far up there?  You guys arenít exactly on 285 and the farther out you get the cheaper itís supposed to get(barring the mountains/resorts which I didnít think you were far enough up for also). Dang.
F no itís not. Acreage like that should be around 8,000 to 10,000 an acre. This prick is just trying to make a pile of money by scaring someone into purchasing it.


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That makes more sense.  My uneducated guess was 5-8k cleared but Iím always looking for bottom deals. $25k/ac is insane.
Higher end stuff up here with 360 degree views can get stupid expensive but this is low lying property on the side of a state highway


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Low lying property....if it has any streams on it or areas considered wetlands he would need a federal permit for any impacts, plus pay for the mitigation.  If he has cleared the site and pulled strumps out in any areas that are considered "wetlands" he could already have a violation. The definition of wetland under the Clean Water Act includes more than what you typically think of (like south and coastal GA). Wetland impacts in North GA are very common.
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: cru9 on May 16, 2018, 06:44:27 PM
Good point Scott.  Sam does anybody know if he pulled a permit for clearing the trees he has already taken down. Would be pretty cool if yíall could spin the table and he started getting fined for work he did illegally.


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Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: Blue J on May 17, 2018, 08:51:41 AM
Good point Scott.  Sam does anybody know if he pulled a permit for clearing the trees he has already taken down. Would be pretty cool if yíall could spin the table and he started getting fined for work he did illegally.


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Site should already have a silt fence up around the entire area and have a gravel entrance --according NPDES Erosion Control ( I still have my certification)

If its not up Report it, it will cost him and he will have to put that in prior to continuing his work. Erosion control is important.
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: Anvilsam on May 17, 2018, 09:05:08 AM
We learned some more information last night. First off the subdivision just past us has retained an attorney and he will speak for us today so thats a plus. Secondly the power company came out tuesday to start putting in 10 light poles. Keep in mind the property hasn't even been rezoned and you have to have a permit in order to put up the light poles. He had lied to them and said all the proper permits had been pulled. My neighbor questioned the power company and they left. She then called the chief inspector to find out about these permits and he confirmed that there were none and by saying that the county had already issued them that the land owner had pretty much said the county had broken the law by issuing them. Lets just say things are looking up and the deck is stacking against him more and more.
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: kent10sne1 on May 17, 2018, 09:32:05 AM
We learned some more information last night. First off the subdivision just past us has retained an attorney and he will speak for us today so thats a plus. Secondly the power company came out tuesday to start putting in 10 light poles. Keep in mind the property hasn't even been rezoned and you have to have a permit in order to put up the light poles. He had lied to them and said all the proper permits had been pulled. My neighbor questioned the power company and they left. She then called the chief inspector to find out about these permits and he confirmed that there were none and by saying that the county had already issued them that the land owner had pretty much said the county had broken the law by issuing them. Lets just say things are looking up and the deck is stacking against him more and more.

Keep us posted, love to see jerks like this get some payback.  sorry ur having to deal with it.  no one wants property values to drop cause some idiot wants to make a quick buck. . 
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: lt99ls1 on May 17, 2018, 01:11:01 PM
The jackwagon is not worth going to jail over. Every time I see this thread I think about the show on Netflix called "Trailer Park Boys."
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: Big Dave on May 17, 2018, 01:44:14 PM
The jackwagon is not worth going to jail over. Every time I see this thread I think about the show on Netflix called "Trailer Park Boys."

Great Fn' show!!!
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: Chris36l on May 17, 2018, 02:30:51 PM
How large is the property?

Just a little less than 6 acres.

I donít mean any offense but is property still that expensive that far up there?  You guys arenít exactly on 285 and the farther out you get the cheaper itís supposed to get(barring the mountains/resorts which I didnít think you were far enough up for also). Dang.
Seriously, no offense, I just priced out 6 acres in Oconee county for half of that. I need to buy some property up there to flip in a few years.


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Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: Anvilsam on May 17, 2018, 03:35:03 PM
How large is the property?

Just a little less than 6 acres.

I donít mean any offense but is property still that expensive that far up there?  You guys arenít exactly on 285 and the farther out you get the cheaper itís supposed to get(barring the mountains/resorts which I didnít think you were far enough up for also). Dang.
Seriously, no offense, I just priced out 6 acres in Oconee county for half of that. I need to buy some property up there to flip in a few years.


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The market is topped out right now so itís a good time to sell not buy


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Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: Chris36l on May 17, 2018, 04:14:11 PM
How large is the property?

Just a little less than 6 acres.

I donít mean any offense but is property still that expensive that far up there?  You guys arenít exactly on 285 and the farther out you get the cheaper itís supposed to get(barring the mountains/resorts which I didnít think you were far enough up for also). Dang.
Seriously, no offense, I just priced out 6 acres in Oconee county for half of that. I need to buy some property up there to flip in a few years.


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The market is topped out right now so itís a good time to sell not buy


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That's what I figured. It would take a lot of convincing to get the wife to move up to the mountains anyway. I'll hopefully end up there in the next 20-30 years.


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Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: Anvilsam on May 17, 2018, 04:20:25 PM
How large is the property?

Just a little less than 6 acres.

I donít mean any offense but is property still that expensive that far up there?  You guys arenít exactly on 285 and the farther out you get the cheaper itís supposed to get(barring the mountains/resorts which I didnít think you were far enough up for also). Dang.
Seriously, no offense, I just priced out 6 acres in Oconee county for half of that. I need to buy some property up there to flip in a few years.


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The market is topped out right now so itís a good time to sell not buy


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That's what I figured. It would take a lot of convincing to get the wife to move up to the mountains anyway. I'll hopefully end up there in the next 20-30 years.


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Itíll be cheaper to move now vs then


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Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: Chris36l on May 17, 2018, 04:30:57 PM
How large is the property?

Just a little less than 6 acres.

I donít mean any offense but is property still that expensive that far up there?  You guys arenít exactly on 285 and the farther out you get the cheaper itís supposed to get(barring the mountains/resorts which I didnít think you were far enough up for also). Dang.
Seriously, no offense, I just priced out 6 acres in Oconee county for half of that. I need to buy some property up there to flip in a few years.


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The market is topped out right now so itís a good time to sell not buy


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That's what I figured. It would take a lot of convincing to get the wife to move up to the mountains anyway. I'll hopefully end up there in the next 20-30 years.


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Itíll be cheaper to move now vs then


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Believe me. I want to. But I'd have to find a whole new job if I move out that far now.


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Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: Anvilsam on May 17, 2018, 05:35:16 PM
Mother fooker withdrew his application. Iím sure itís not the last we will see of him


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Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: jd30005 on May 17, 2018, 05:39:26 PM
Mother fooker withdrew his application. Iím sure itís not the last we will see of him


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It can be...I work with a couple former Navy Seals and we can organize a get together.  ;-)
Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: Anvilsam on May 17, 2018, 05:47:39 PM
Mother fooker withdrew his application. Iím sure itís not the last we will see of him


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It can be...I work with a couple former Navy Seals and we can organize a get together.  ;-)
Haha I donít wanna wish harm on anybody but if you can make it happen.....


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Title: Re: Trailer park near our subdivision
Post by: BigMike on May 18, 2018, 09:29:30 AM
Mother fooker withdrew his application. Iím sure itís not the last we will see of him


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It can be...I work with a couple former Navy Seals and we can organize a get together.  ;-)
Haha I donít wanna wish harm on anybody but if you can make it happen.....


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