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Title: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: DOUG on November 15, 2010, 08:20:20 AM

Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Danny Kinder on December 24, 2011, 10:12:27 AM
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Own a Gun?    Please Keep This Moving
Guess they were not happy with the poll results the first time, so USA today is running another one... Vote now
Attorney General, Eric Holder, has already said this is one of his major issues. He does not believe the 2nd Amendment gives individuals the right to bear arms. This takes literally 2 clicks to complete. Please vote on this gun issue question with USA Today. It will only take a few seconds of your time. Then pass the link on to all the pro- gun folks you know. Hopefully these results will be published later this month. This upcoming year will become critical for gun owners with the Supreme Court's accepting the District of Columbia case against the right for individuals to bear arms.
Here's what you need to do:

First - vote on this one.
Second- Send it to other folks and have THEM vote - then we will see if the results get published.




http://www.usatoday.com/news/quickquestion/2007/november/popup5895.htm
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: DOUG on December 24, 2011, 11:23:51 AM
Keep up the fight!
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: JROLIN on October 27, 2012, 10:03:15 AM
They may succeed in limiting magazine capacities, but I cant see it going much further than that.

The NRA has a ton of lobbying power.

Gun control should be left up to the individual state to handle on what works best for their population. What applies to California definitely wont apply to Georgia.

For the record, my definition or gun control is a 1" MOA.
Title: Re: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Mortalis5509 on October 27, 2012, 06:04:41 PM
No one is really asking what the AG is THINKING. He needs to do a lot less thinking personally.

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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: DOUG on January 03, 2013, 09:31:58 AM
Notice that in 1992 the United States had a violent crime rate of 757.7 per 100,000. The murder and non-negligent manslaughter rate was 9.3 per 100,000. When you consider the numbers, we are talking an extremely small percentage.

Nearly 20 years later, would you think that the United States violent crime has increased or decreased, especially in light of the fact that there are hundreds of millions of guns in our country? If you said “increased,” you are wrong, dead wrong.

Read more: http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/01/pulling-back-the-lefts-demonizing-of-the-modern-musket-real-numbers-of-violent-crime-in-the-us/

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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: DOUG on January 09, 2013, 05:43:22 PM
I can't believe the America we live in today.

Biden suggests White House could act without Congress as part of gun control plan:
The White House has sought to avoid prejudging what Biden's recommendations would be. But the vice president hinted Wednesday that executive action -- action by the president in which Congress would not have a say -- would indeed be involved.

"There are executive orders, executive action that can be taken," Biden said, adding "we haven't decided what that is yet."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/09/vice-president-to-meet-with-gun-safety-groups/#ixzz2HWMeFcbJ


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/09/vice-president-to-meet-with-gun-safety-groups/

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/biden-obama-might-use-executive-order-deal-guns_694984.html


Cuomo Close To Announcing Sweeping New Gun Control Laws

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/01/08/exclusive-cuomo-close-to-announcing-sweeping-new-gun-control-laws/
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Matt on January 10, 2013, 08:19:24 AM
I can't believe the America we live in today.

Biden suggests White House could act without Congress as part of gun control plan:
The White House has sought to avoid prejudging what Biden's recommendations would be. But the vice president hinted Wednesday that executive action -- action by the president in which Congress would not have a say -- would indeed be involved.

"There are executive orders, executive action that can be taken," Biden said, adding "we haven't decided what that is yet."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/09/vice-president-to-meet-with-gun-safety-groups/#ixzz2HWMeFcbJ


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/09/vice-president-to-meet-with-gun-safety-groups/

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/biden-obama-might-use-executive-order-deal-guns_694984.html


Cuomo Close To Announcing Sweeping New Gun Control Laws

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/01/08/exclusive-cuomo-close-to-announcing-sweeping-new-gun-control-laws/

Who voted for this bullshit?
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: tcdawg on January 13, 2013, 09:43:53 AM
Love the motor city madman

http://youtu.be/tMso12zeYDQ (http://youtu.be/tMso12zeYDQ)
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: DOUG on January 16, 2013, 12:18:04 PM
See the stastistic at the bottom of the page.............

From the World Health Organization:

The latest Murder Statistics for the world:

Murders per 100,000 citizens

Honduras 91.6
El Salvador 69.2
Cote d'lvoire 56.9
Jamaica 52.2
Venezuela 45.1
Belize 41.4
US Virgin Islands 39.2
Guatemala 38.5
Saint Kits and Nevis 38.2
Zambia 38.0
Uganda 36.3
Malawi 36.0
Lesotho 35.2
Trinidad and Tobago 35.2
Colombia 33.4
South Africa 31.8
Cook County, IL (Chicago) 31.2
Congo 30.8
Central African Republic 29.3
Bahamas 27.4
Puerto Rico 26.2
Saint Lucia 25.2
Dominican Republic 25.0
Tanzania 24.5
Sudan 24.2
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9
Ethiopia 22.5
Guinea 22.5
Dominica 22.1
Burundi 21.7
Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7
Panama 21.6
Brazil 21.0
Equatorial Guinea 20.7
Guinea-Bissau 20.2
Kenya 20.1
Kyrgyzstan 20.1
Cameroon 19.7
Montserrat 19.7
Greenland 19.2
Angola 19.0
Guyana 18.6
Burkina Faso 18.0
Eritrea 17.8
Namibia 17.2
Rwanda 17.1
Mexico 16.9
Chad 15.8
Ghana 15.7
Ecuador 15.2
North Korea 15.2
Benin 15.1
Sierra Leone 14.9
Mauritania 14.7
Botswana 14.5
Zimbabwe 14.3
Gabon 13.8
Nicaragua 13.6
French Guiana 13.3
Papua New Guinea 13.0
Swaziland 12.9
Bermuda 12.3
Comoros 12.2
Nigeria 12.2
Cape Verde 11.6
Grenada 11.5
Paraguay 11.5
Barbados 11.3
Togo 10.9
Gambia 10.8
Peru 10.8
Myanmar 10.2
Russia 10.2
Liberia 10.1
Costa Rica 10.0
Nauru 9.8
Bolivia 8.9
Mozambique 8.8
Kazakhstan 8.8
Senegal 8.7
Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7
Mongolia 8.7
British Virgin Islands 8.6
Cayman Islands 8.4
Seychelles 8.3
Madagascar 8.1
Indonesia 8.1
Mali 8.0
Pakistan 7.8
Moldova 7.5
Kiribati 7.3
Guadeloupe 7.0
Haiti 6.9
Timor-Leste 6.9
Anguilla 6.8
Antigua and Barbuda 6.8
Lithuania 6.6
Uruguay 5.9
Philippines 5.4
Ukraine 5.2
Estonia 5.2
Cuba 5.0
Belarus 4.9
Thailand 4.8
Suriname 4.6
Laos 4.6
Georgia 4.3
Martinique 4.2

And

The United States 4.2

ALL the countries above America have 100% gun bans

CHICAGO:  Cook County, IL (Chicago) 21.6 with GUN CONTROL
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: DOUG on January 16, 2013, 12:21:07 PM
None of the reasons used to justify a gun control position have EVER proven to work ANYWHERE



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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: BigJerm on January 16, 2013, 12:24:30 PM
You boys missing it? Just watched Obama live on the TV talking about his proposal... get ready to pay a fee for a background check to buy a gun privately, probably an assault rifle ban again along with high capacity mags and mental/medical prof have the ability to say you are not of sound mind to own your gun anymore
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: RD Slyter on January 16, 2013, 07:18:00 PM
It's pretty sad that I cant even coment on this thread anymore because I get WAY too ticked off and want to rant and rant for ever, then go blow off about 500 rounds.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Krawler00 on January 16, 2013, 08:51:41 PM
Dude, you and me both!! Dictatorship at it's best!
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: BigJerm on January 16, 2013, 08:56:21 PM
Yep! And I can say my dream of owning an AR is long gone now! Prices are supply are nuts with all of this
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Krawler00 on January 17, 2013, 09:27:35 AM
Yep! And I can say my dream of owning an AR is long gone now! Prices are supply are nuts with all of this

x2. My boss said he would still sell me one of his. Just gonna have to make payments. Big gunshow in jefferson this weekend though.

http://gunshowtrader.com/gun-shows/jefferson-gun-show/
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: BigJerm on January 17, 2013, 09:39:10 AM
Yep! And I can say my dream of owning an AR is long gone now! Prices are supply are nuts with all of this

x2. My boss said he would still sell me one of his. Just gonna have to make payments. Big gunshow in jefferson this weekend though.

http://gunshowtrader.com/gun-shows/jefferson-gun-show/

Last show in cobb had base level AR's that use to be $700-900 at $2400  :o
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Krawler00 on January 17, 2013, 09:42:24 AM
 :o
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: RD Slyter on January 18, 2013, 05:02:32 AM
Yeup, Saw a base model AR which used to run for around $650.00 tagged for $2475.00 yesterday when I went to get powder and bullets for Saturday. Reloading still isn't bad though. ;D  I got 500 rds of .40S&W for $50.00. Absolutely no .223 Rem to be had however, so I'm stuck with what I got for now.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Danny Kinder on January 18, 2013, 11:27:08 AM
 </LMAO/>

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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: jkDave on January 18, 2013, 11:39:43 AM
</LMAO/>

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Notice that the two with pistols are exhibiting proper gun safety by not keeping their finger on the trigger.  Homeboy in the middle needs to take a gun safety class!
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: jc79 on January 18, 2013, 12:17:35 PM
Notice that the two with pistols are exhibiting proper gun safety by not keeping their finger on the trigger.  Homeboy in the middle needs to take a gun safety class!

That's literally the first thing I saw... no kidding.  Too funny.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Lhub36 on January 18, 2013, 03:33:17 PM
Yeah! Lucky for his a$$ the safety is on on that mossberg
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: tcdawg on January 20, 2013, 08:10:57 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGaDAThOHhA&sns=em  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGaDAThOHhA&sns=em)
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Raisinhead on January 20, 2013, 09:06:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGaDAThOHhA&sns=em  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGaDAThOHhA&sns=em)

So disturbing!!
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: tcdawg on January 24, 2013, 09:39:01 PM
Good read from the NRA

http://home.nra.org/#/nraorg/VideoModule/8553 (http://home.nra.org/#/nraorg/VideoModule/8553)
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: DOUG on January 25, 2013, 03:32:34 PM
Feinstein Pushes 150 'Gun Bans'; Reid Defeated

Obama's bagman in the U.S. Senate - Democrat Harry Reid - failed to come up with the 51-votes he needed to crush Republican opposition by eliminating the 'filibuster'.

This is huge, because if Reid had been successful, it would've allowed him to ram-through Obama's anti-gun crusade, amnesty for illegals, or any other liberal fantasy.

Senate Republicans would be virtually powerless to stop him.

In fact, away from the TV cameras, Reid gloated that it was his "Nuclear Option" to crush Republican opposition to Obama's radical Second Term agenda.

But because of thousands of phone calls, faxes, and emails in the 'eleventh hour' by patriots like you, Reid was dealt a major blow.

Instead of "nuking", Reid cut a face-saving deal with Republican Leader Mitch McConnell.

Here's Reid's surrender on the filibuster:

"I'm not personally, at this stage, ready to get rid of the 60-vote threshold". 

That's because we beat him like a drum, deluging his fellow liberal Democrat senators with emails, faxes, and phone calls by thousands.

Senate Republicans - as long as they can keep some of their own members in line - have a fighting chance against Obama's radical Second Term agenda.

So on behalf of freedom-loving Americans everywhere, thank you.

In fact, we can't thank you enough, because today liberal Sen. Diane Feinstein and the Democrats introduced the "Assault Weapons Ban of 2013".

"Feinstein said the country's 'weak' gun laws allow massacres like the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting occur", reports The Daily Caller.

This, in the first salvo of expected new 'gun-control' schemes, Feinstein's bill would institute "a government ban on more than 150 types of firearms, including rifles, pistols and shotguns".

Here's what Feinstein says:

"Getting this bill signed into law will be an uphill battle, and I recognize that - but it's a battle worth having,"

Let's be clear about one thing: Obama doesn't want to control guns; he wants the government to confiscate, and then eliminate your Constitutional gun rights.

And if you don't own a firearm, remember, this is not just about 'guns'.

It's about protecting every single American freedom we love and cherish.

Because if we don't fight back now against Feinstein, Reid, and the Democrats with everything we've got in the Congress, there'll be nothing to stop Obama from inflicting his far-left agenda on America for the next four years.

We need to be tough, resolute, and to fight back like never before.

Today was a victory, because of your support in the "eleventh hour".

Reid lost because he could not get enough of his own liberal Democrat Senators to back him on a power grab.

So thank you for all that you did to help defeat Reid's so-called "Nuclear Option".

Now let's make Obama, Reid, Feinstein, and the Democrats rue the day they disgustingly blamed the slaughter at Sandy Hook on law-abiding gun owners everywhere.

How dare they.

Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: tcdawg on January 25, 2013, 09:25:27 PM
The house, for this term, is not passing this kind of junk^^^^
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: RD Slyter on February 19, 2013, 07:06:39 AM
Just found this on FB. http://takeastandnow.com/ Its a link from Remington Arms Co. which allows you to contact Legislatures and voice your opinion on this gun controle riff raff. I Just did and it felt great!
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: jkDave on February 19, 2013, 08:20:47 AM
Just found this on FB. http://takeastandnow.com/ Its a link from Remington Arms Co. which allows you to contact Legislatures and voice your opinion on this gun controle riff raff. I Just did and it felt great!


^^^^    Done
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: DOUG on March 07, 2013, 09:23:39 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9RABZq5IoaQ
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: LT on March 10, 2013, 11:18:36 PM
TAKES 10 SECONDS ... DO IT AND PASS IT ON
Own a Gun?    Please Keep This Moving
Guess they were not happy with the poll results the first time, so USA today is running another one... Vote now
Attorney General, Eric Holder, has already said this is one of his major issues. He does not believe the 2nd Amendment gives individuals the right to bear arms. This takes literally 2 clicks to complete. Please vote on this gun issue question with USA Today. It will only take a few seconds of your time. Then pass the link on to all the pro- gun folks you know. Hopefully these results will be published later this month. This upcoming year will become critical for gun owners with the Supreme Court's accepting the District of Columbia case against the right for individuals to bear arms.
Here's what you need to do:

First - vote on this one.
Second- Send it to other folks and have THEM vote - then we will see if the results get published.




http://www.usatoday.com/news/quickquestion/2007/november/popup5895.htm
The Supreme Court upheld the 2nd Amendment as giving individuals the right to bear arms...... soooooo there's not much Holder can do except huff and puff. Even if there's any anti gun legislation proposed, it'll be political suicide for most of the Dems to vote for it as the last time they voted for a ban, quite a few of them got bounced out of office in the following elections. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Krawler00 on March 26, 2013, 03:20:19 PM
Ok boys and girls, take a look at what NOT to do with your pistola  {no}

http://www.guns.com/2013/03/26/couple-charged-in-road-rage-shooting/

Video is in link, but read the article and be aware of what this moron did and what he is getting for it.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: tcdawg on March 26, 2013, 04:59:04 PM
Ok boys and girls, take a look at what NOT to do with your pistola  {no}

http://www.guns.com/2013/03/26/couple-charged-in-road-rage-shooting/

Video is in link, but read the article and be aware of what this moron did and what he is getting for it.

What a complete and total asshat.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: kvom on March 26, 2013, 05:01:58 PM
There's a great audio podcast about guns and gun control by Freakonomics guru Steven Leavitt here:  http://www.freakonomics.com/2013/02/14/how-to-think-about-guns-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/

If you don't want to listen to it, he brings up some cogent facts:

1) Mass shootings are incredibly rare.  2/3 of gun deaths overall are suicides.

2) A swimming pool in a house is 100x more dangerous to a child than a gun.

3) Those to whom guns are repugnant, and therefore want to ban them, will almost always associate with people of the same opinion.  Therefore the chance that one of these people will be killed by a gun are extremely remote.

4) Gun buybacks are stupidly inefficient in reducing gun deaths

5) The only realistic political method to reduce gun crime is adding mandatory additional jail time for all crimes committed with a gun.

6) Overall deaths can be reduced more effectively by targeting automotive deaths than gun deaths.

The same economist did a study that shows that violent crime levels, which decreased sharply after 1980, were a result of Roe v Wade.  
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: tcdawg on March 26, 2013, 05:18:28 PM
There's a great audio podcast about guns and gun control by Freakonomics guru Steven Leavitt here:  http://www.freakonomics.com/2013/02/14/how-to-think-about-guns-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/

If you don't want to listen to it, he brings up some cogent facts:

1) Mass shootings are incredibly rare.  2/3 of gun deaths overall are suicides.

2) A swimming pool in a house is 100x more dangerous to a child than a gun.

3) Those to whom guns are repugnant, and therefore want to ban them, will almost always associate with people of the same opinion.  Therefore the chance that one of these people will be killed by a gun are extremely remote.

4) Gun buybacks are stupidly inefficient in reducing gun deaths

5) The only realistic political method to reduce gun crime is adding mandatory additional jail time for all crimes committed with a gun.

6) Overall deaths can be reduced more effectively by targeting automotive deaths than gun deaths.

The same economist did a study that shows that violent crime levels, which decreased sharply after 1980, were a result of Roe v Wade. 

Freakanomics and Super Freakanomics...great books.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: DOUG on April 02, 2013, 01:24:35 PM
U.N. passes sweeping international arms regulation viewed by some as Second Amendment override


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/2/un-passes-international-arms-regulation-treaty/
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: DOUG on April 02, 2013, 01:25:46 PM
Democrats push bill in Congress to require gun insurance under penalty of fine

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/02/democrats-push-bill-in-congress-to-require-gun-insurance/#ixzz2PKOOUvPs


Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: RD Slyter on April 02, 2013, 07:42:58 PM
Requireing it, I think is just a bridge too far. The GOV just can't seem to get over trying to tell people what to do.
 
BUT, I personally do insure all of mine through my normal auto insurance company. Just for the sake of covering my own hide. Not to mention it only adds like $3 or $4 to my monthly premium so to me it's well worth it and I highly recommend it. Again though, telling people they HAVE to is just plane out Bull sh!t.
Title: Re: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: DOUG on April 02, 2013, 07:55:39 PM
But insurance is another way to track who has what....

If you can't get mandatory registration..

For law abiding citizens.

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Title: Re: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: RD Slyter on April 03, 2013, 05:27:43 AM
Totally agree bud.

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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: cru9 on April 11, 2013, 12:05:21 PM
Our own local Goverment representative turned on us today

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Title: Re: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: DOUG on April 11, 2013, 12:44:46 PM
So sad.  Hope they are retiring together.

Sent off camber
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: DOUG on June 02, 2013, 06:03:00 PM
WORLD MURDER STATISTICS
 
Very interesting listing - with a very interesting conclusion
From the World Health Organization
The latest Murder Statistics for the world: Murders per 100,000 citizens
 
Honduras 91.6
El Salvador 69.2
Cote d'lvoire 56.9
Jamaica 52.2
Venezuela 45.1
Belize 41.4
US Virgin Islands 39.2
Guatemala 38.5
Saint Kits and Nevis 38.2
Zambia 38.0
Uganda 36.3
Malawi 36.0
Lesotho 35.2
Trinidad and Tobago 35.2
Colombia 33.4
South Africa 31.8
Congo 30.8
Central African Republic 29.3
Bahamas 27.4
Puerto Rico 26.2
Saint Lucia 25.2
Dominican Republic 25.0
Tanzania 24.5
Sudan 24.2
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9
Ethiopia 22.5
Guinea 22.5
Dominica 22.1
Burundi 21.7
Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7
Panama 21.6
Brazil 21.0
Equatorial Guinea 20.7
Guinea-Bissau 20.2
Kenya 20.1
Kyrgyzstan 20.1
Cameroon 19.7
Montserrat 19.7
Greenland  19.2
Angola 19.0
Guyana 18.6
Burkina Faso 18.0
Eritrea 17.8
Namibia 17.2
Rwanda 17.1
Mexico 16.9
Chad 15.8
Ghana 15.7
Ecuador 15.2
North Korea 15.2
Benin 15.1
Sierra Leone 14.9
Mauritania 14.7
Botswana 14.5
Zimbabwe 14.3
Gabon 13.8
Nicaragua 13.6
French Guiana 13.3
Papua New Guinea 13.0
Swaziland 12.9
Bermuda 12.3
Comoros 12.2
Nigeria 12.2
Cape Verde 11.6
Grenada 11.5
Paraguay 11.5
Barbados 11.3
Togo 10.9
Gambia 10.8
Peru 10.8
Myanmar 10.2
Russia 10.2
Liberia 10.1
Costa Rica 10.0
Nauru 9.8
Bolivia 8.9
Mozambique 8.8
Kazakhstan 8.8
Senegal 8.7
Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7
Mongolia 8.7
British Virgin Islands 8.6
Cayman Islands 8.4
Seychelles 8.3
Madagascar 8.1
Indonesia 8.1
Mali 8.0
Pakistan 7.8
Moldova 7.5
Kiribati 7.3
Guadeloupe 7.0
Haiti 6.9
Timor-Leste 6.9
Anguilla 6.8
Antigua and Barbuda 6.8
Lithuania 6.6
Uruguay 5.9
Philippines 5.4
Ukraine 5.2
Estonia 5.2
Cuba 5.0
Belarus 4.9
Thailand 4.8
Suriname 4.6
Laos 4.6
Georgia 4.3
Martinique 4.2
And
 The United States 4.2
 
ALL 107 countries above America have 100% gun bans
 
It might be of interest to note that Switzerland also has NO MURDER OCCURRENCE. However their law requires that EVERYONE own a gun, maintain marksman qualifications and "carry".
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: tcdawg on June 02, 2013, 07:27:10 PM
WORLD MURDER STATISTICS
 
ALL 107 countries above America have 100% gun bans
 


Costa Rica does not have a 100% gun ban. Many guns are allowed by permit.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Oscar_Mike 2013 on June 02, 2013, 07:58:31 PM
WORLD MURDER STATISTICS
 
ALL 107 countries above America have 100% gun bans
 


Costa Rica does not have a 100% gun ban. Many guns are allowed by permit.
Not disagreeing, but how hard is it to get a permit?
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: DOUG on September 27, 2013, 07:59:17 AM
What do you guys think about the traitor signing this?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/26/cause-for-concern-will-un-arms-trade-treaty-trample-on-us-gun-rights/

Secretary of State John Kerry signed an international treaty on arms regulation Wednesday

According to the treaty, the international sale of weapons would be linked to the human rights records of buyers; it requires the countries that sign on to establish regulations for selling weapons. This has raised concern that the treaty could be used as an excuse to push new gun laws.

But the treaty also advocates keeping data of arms purchases, which the NRA and other groups say could be used as an international log to keep tabs on gun owners.

The record-keeping section in the Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) encourages members to "maintain records of conventional arms covered under Article 2," which include battle tanks, armored combat vehicles, large-caliber artillery systems, warships and small arms and light weapons.

Further, those records should be kept for a minimum of 10 years, the treaty states -- which NRA leader Wayne LaPierre has referred to as "nothing more than gun registration by a different name."

Because the treaty's language is so broad, LaPierre has said that "manufacturers of civilian shotguns would have to comply with the same regulatory process as a manufacturer of military attack helicopters."

Chris Cox, the executive director for the group's Institute for Legislative Action, says the treaty "threatens individual firearm ownership with an invasive registration scheme."
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Krawler00 on September 27, 2013, 10:07:40 AM
That dude should have been left behind...
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: BigJerm on September 27, 2013, 01:58:47 PM
I am all for registration as I do not own any guns
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Matt on September 27, 2013, 02:11:08 PM
Im not for it, but I also have no guns  //;D//
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Oscar_Mike 2013 on September 27, 2013, 06:31:58 PM
I am all for registration as I do not own any guns
Nice one Jerm. But I know you have one or two.
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Post by: DOUG on December 15, 2013, 12:55:32 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?feature=share&v=Lh1zornUVv8&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DLh1zornUVv8%26feature%3Dshare


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Post by: cudruln on December 15, 2013, 01:46:36 PM
God bless him, God bless all people in service and God bless AMERICA

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Title: Re: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Mortalis5509 on December 15, 2013, 03:39:36 PM
Hell yea. Well said.

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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: DOUG on January 21, 2014, 04:30:56 PM
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Matt on January 23, 2014, 03:49:29 PM
Shocking....
http://gunssavelives.net/news/doj-report-almost-500k-in-gun-buyback-money-in-philly-was-misused-or-lost/
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: DOUG on January 30, 2014, 09:56:02 AM
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: tcdawg on January 30, 2014, 10:11:27 AM
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He had a Walther PPK at the door and then said he raised his Glock when he was outside?  What's up with that?
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: clark123456 on January 30, 2014, 10:18:06 AM


He had a Walther PPK at the door and then said he raised his Glock when he was outside?  What's up with that?

He had a glock in the closet that he went to grab after he ran out of ammo for the PPK (I could be wrong about why he switched).
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: tcdawg on January 30, 2014, 10:26:47 AM


He had a Walther PPK at the door and then said he raised his Glock when he was outside?  What's up with that?

He had a glock in the closet that he went to grab after he ran out of ammo for the PPK (I could be wrong about why he switched).

I think you are right. I watched the video again and saw that part. Missed it the first time.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: DOUG on February 14, 2014, 08:45:03 AM
A Tale of Two Cities
 
                                    Chicago, IL                                 Houston, TX
Population                        2.7 million                                 2.15 million
Median HH Income               $38,600                                   $37,000
% African-American             38.9%                                     24%
% Hispanic                         29.9%                                     44%
% Asian                             5.5%                                      6%
% Non-Hispanic White          28.7%                                    26%
 
Pretty similar until you compare the following:
 
                                                   Chicago, IL                       Houston, TX
- Concealed Carry gun law                        no                             yes  
- # of Gun Stores                                    0                     184 Dedicated gun stores plus 1500 legal places to buy guns
- Homicides, 2012                                  1,806                       207
- Homicides per 100K                                 38.4                 9.6

 
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: kent10sne1 on February 14, 2014, 08:52:28 AM
nice.  thanks for sharing doug   
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: jgerhard on February 14, 2014, 09:02:22 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/02/13/BREAKING-Ninth-Circuit-Strikes-Down-CA-Law-Restricting-Concealed-Carry (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/02/13/BREAKING-Ninth-Circuit-Strikes-Down-CA-Law-Restricting-Concealed-Carry)

Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: tcdawg on February 14, 2014, 01:02:58 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/02/13/BREAKING-Ninth-Circuit-Strikes-Down-CA-Law-Restricting-Concealed-Carry (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/02/13/BREAKING-Ninth-Circuit-Strikes-Down-CA-Law-Restricting-Concealed-Carry)



Good decision
Title: Re: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: DOUG on March 23, 2014, 08:23:51 AM
Georgia: Historic Victory for the Second Amendment

Shortly before midnight last night, within the last hour before adjournment of the 2014 legislative session, House Bill 60 was agreed to in the state House of Representatives by a 112-58 vote and sent to Governor Nathan Deal (R) for his expected signature into law.

As previously reported, HB 60, as amended, had multiple transformations throughout this year’s session, and at one point was in real trouble of being watered down beyond repair.  Thankfully, your activism through repeated phone calls, e-mails and visits to the Capitol carried the day.  Your gun rights were not only preserved this year, but were restored and advanced further than they ever have in the history of the Peach State.  This truly is an historic day for Georgia gun owners, shooters and sportsmen.

Upon the Governor’s signature, HB 60 will enact the following pro-gun reforms for all law-abiding gun owners in Georgia:

Remove fingerprinting for renewal of Weapons Carry Licenses (WCL).
Prohibit the state from creating and maintaining a database of WCL holders.
Create an absolute defense for the legal use of deadly force in the face of a violent attack.
Lower the age to obtain a concealed WCL for self-defense from 21 to 18 for active duty military, with specific training.
Allows for the use of firearm sound suppressors while hunting.
Repeal the unnecessary and duplicative state-required license for a firearms dealer, instead requiring only a Federal Firearms License (FFL).
Prohibit a ban on firearms in public housing, ensuring that the right to self-defense should not be infringed based on where one calls home.
Codify the ability to legally carry, with a WCL, in sterile/non-secure areas of airports.
Require reporting those persons who have been involuntarily hospitalized or have been adjudicated mentally deficient to the NICS system while also providing the ability for relief through an application process to the court system allowing for restoration of gun rights.
State that under a declared state of emergency, all law-abiding gun owners will not have their Second Amendment rights restricted or infringed by executive authority through Emergency Powers protection.
Strengthen current firearms preemption statutes through further clarification of the regulatory authority of local governments, excluding firearm discharge ordinances.
Remove the sweeping restrictions on legally carrying a firearm with a WCL in bars, leaving this decision to private property owners.
Allowing for churches to opt-in for legal carry with only a civil penalty of a $100 if a person happens to carry into a prohibited church unknowingly.

This resounding victory must first and foremost be credited to our members, who tirelessly worked to ensure that passage of this bill was possible.  We also thank the following state lawmakers who went above and beyond this year and were critical in seeing this bill through to the end.  The NRA’s gratitude cannot be conveyed enough to the below state legislators for their unwavering support:

- House Speaker David Ralston (R-7)
- Representative Rick Jasperse (R-11), original bill sponsor
- Representative Alan Powell (R-32)
- Representative John Meadows (R-5)
- Representative Jay Roberts (R-155)
- Representative Mandi Ballinger (R-23)
- Representative Dusty Hightower (R-68)
- Representative Stephen Allison (R-8)
- President Pro Tem David Shafer (R-48)
- Senator Bill Heath (R-31), original bill sponsor
- Senator Tyler Harper (R-7)
- Senator Butch Miller (R-49)
- Senator Jeff Mullis (R-53)
- Senator Ross Tolleson (R-20)
- Senator Mike Dugan (R-30)
- Senator Jack Murphy (R-27)
- Lieutenant Governor Casey Cagle

These elected men and women were critical to the passage of this important and significant pro-gun legislative package, not only with their votes but also with their outspoken support and actions throughout the entire 2014 session.  Your NRA would also like to thank the pro-gun group, Georgia Carry, for working alongside us to get this bill passed and sent to Governor Deal for his signature.

While we fully expect Governor Deal to sign HB 60 into law, please contact the Governor and politely ask that HB 60 receive his signature in the coming days.  Governor Deal can be reached at (404) 656-1776 and by e-mail here.

Please stay tuned to your e-mail inbox and www.nraila.org for further updates.

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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: bear991 on March 23, 2014, 08:58:51 AM
I really appreciate the work represented here and that my rights are further protected. I do wish that the law supporting Medical Marijuana use would have been passed also. The children really need this and I think it's terrible that families have to up root themselves and move to a state that will allow it.
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Post by: cru9 on March 23, 2014, 09:00:01 AM
Hell Yeah for the Guns. Go buy more! A least we moved in the correct direction this time.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: kent10sne1 on March 23, 2014, 09:04:52 AM
Yup.  Great news.
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Post by: clark123456 on March 23, 2014, 09:51:27 AM
Yeah
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: tcdawg on March 23, 2014, 10:15:58 AM
I really appreciate the work represented here and that my rights are further protected. I do wish that the law supporting Medical Marijuana use would have been passed also. The children really need this and I think it's terrible that families have to up root themselves and move to a state that will allow it.

I second the medical marijuana law. The gun law is good legislation but our General Assembly really dropped the ball on medical marijuana.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Big Dave on March 23, 2014, 10:38:02 AM
Guns in a bar & church?

The way I see it is, guns & alcohol do NOT mix. Sure it's fun to get lite & shoot at some targets AT HOME. But in a bar, come on. That's asking for trouble.

God will protect you in church & if not, I guess it's time to meet the maker. The only exception is if your church handles snakes. In those churches, it should be mandatory to carry.  //LMAO//
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Post by: clark123456 on March 23, 2014, 10:41:18 AM
^heretic
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: DOUG on March 23, 2014, 10:45:38 AM
I've never seen therefore understood the logic behind that position.  Conceal carry folks aren't the folks to be concerned about. 

There is nothing to stop a convicted felon, from bringing a gun into a bar or a church, and when he pulls it I want there to be more than one conceal carry permit holder armed to take care of the problem.

The illegal action is the problem, and the legal action by responsible conceal carry holders is part of the solution. 
Title: Re: Re: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Mortalis5509 on March 23, 2014, 11:03:34 AM
I've never seen therefore understood the logic behind that position.  Conceal carry folks aren't the folks to be concerned about. 

There is nothing to stop a convicted felon, from bringing a gun into a bar or a church, and when he pulls it I want there to be more than one conceal carry permit holder armed to take care of the problem.

The illegal action is the problem, and the legal action by responsible conceal carry holders is part of the solution. 

I agree. The last place you expect something to happen, it will.

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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: bear991 on March 23, 2014, 11:05:49 AM
I agree with Doug on this...the more people carry...LEGALLY...the less likely someone is to pull a weapon and use it if he thinks the other guy is carrying also. A bully is only a bully as long as he's allowed to be.
Title: Re: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: clark123456 on March 23, 2014, 11:29:19 AM
I'll take a shot at the logic (pun intended), for keeping guns out of bars, regardless of a license.  The belief, as silly as it is, is that alcohol, which is served at bars, among other places, can hinder a normal person's self control (I have never seen this before (*rolling eyes* while thinking back to Pat O'Briens' in New Orleans twenty years ago)); therefore, if a non-criminal is carrying a gun, it is possible for the person to lose self control, after alcohol consumption at the bar, and shoot something or someone. 

Applied to Doug's logic, there is an opportunity for a greater number of people to lose self control and shoot something or someone.

I'm sure some people believe there is an opportunity for a greater number of people to have self control and apply their control to the criminal who is not exhibiting self control.
Title: Re: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: DOUG on March 23, 2014, 01:41:16 PM
You were slower than I thought lol.

No logic in that as it is based on a false principal that a conceal carry guy would ever have enough to drink to improperly react while carrying. Folks that carry are the most responsible folks in society.

The liberal mind does not trust the individual to make the right decisions and believes they or a society can make better decisions for others, and therefore freedom is lost a little at a time. 

Example for off roading.  The forest service felt that the usera could not maintain Tellico and cut us all out and never gave us a chance.

A conservative mind believes he is responsible for himself and his.  A liberal mind believes he is reasonable for everyone but himself.

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Title: Re: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: clark123456 on March 23, 2014, 01:51:47 PM
You incorrectly assumed that I agree with the logic laid out.

I don't believe you should have to have a permit at all to carry a weapon, concealed or not.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Charliticus on March 23, 2014, 04:01:26 PM
In Virginia we were allowed to open carry without a permit, so long as you aren't legally permitted from doing so (felon etc). You had to have a permit to conceal carry, which you could basically do online. We could carry in bars, church's, etc.

Here I understand you need a permit to carry open or concealed. Still waiting to get my drivers license to start that process. Too bad Va and Ga can't see eye to eye.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Big Dave on March 23, 2014, 09:39:04 PM
I've never seen therefore understood the logic behind that position.  Conceal carry folks aren't the folks to be concerned about. 

There is nothing to stop a convicted felon, from bringing a gun into a bar or a church, and when he pulls it I want there to be more than one conceal carry permit holder armed to take care of the problem.

The illegal action is the problem, and the legal action by responsible conceal carry holders is part of the solution. 

Good point. I just saw it from a different angle. We shouldn't have to discuss this issue but in a perfect world there wouldn't be criminals.
Title: Re: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: DOUG on March 24, 2014, 04:56:48 AM
You incorrectly assumed that I agree with the logic laid out.

I don't believe you should have to have a permit at all to carry a weapon, concealed or not.

I don't think I stated that, and addressed the comment.

I like knowing conceal carry requires a permit.  I believe you can still open carry in ga right on your hip in the open but most don't know or and are freaked out about it.
Title: Re: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Lhub36 on March 24, 2014, 09:50:58 AM
Georgia makes no distinction between open carry and conceal carry. Thats why its called a Weapon Carry License, not conceal carry permit.
Ga is an open carry state.
Title: Re: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Raisinhead on April 19, 2014, 09:31:55 PM
I was finally able to get some cheap 9mm at Wal-Mart. Luck or shelves starting to get stocked back up?(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/20/y2asy2y9.jpg)

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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Big Dave on April 19, 2014, 09:52:33 PM
I think it's luck. I've been looking for that exact ammo for months.

I was in the Cleveland Wal-Mart today & they had no 9mm at all. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Mortalis5509 on April 19, 2014, 11:21:01 PM
Athens walmart has plenty.

Last weekend at the gainesville gun show, I bought 1000 rds of 22lr for $100.
Title: Re: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: cudruln on April 20, 2014, 08:04:46 AM
I was able to snag some 9mm for a decent price last night off the odt. I think it is starting to calm down for the ammo. I know that gun prices are starting to get back down to normal.

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Title: Re:
Post by: Raisinhead on April 20, 2014, 03:23:39 PM
Plenty of .45 at Wal-Mart. Let know if you want something in the next few minutes and I'll grab it for you.

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Title: Re: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Raisinhead on April 20, 2014, 03:24:24 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/21/jupy8eze.jpg)

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Title: Re: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Raisinhead on April 20, 2014, 03:25:25 PM
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Title: Re:
Post by: DOUG on April 20, 2014, 03:59:36 PM
Maybe the government is done buying up all the ammunition they don't need.  Even the post office spent a huge amount.  Makes ya wonder.

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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: kent10sne1 on April 21, 2014, 08:03:55 AM
Well, I have a problem.   2000 rounds of .38 ammo + 200 rounds of .306 ammo     I now have issues.   I am afraid this will start to eat into my Jeep budget.  Grrrrrr.   //???//

however, its so fun to spend an hour at the range.   at 20 yards, this little M-85 .38 ultra light is amazing.   now i need some speed loaders.  lol   spent some time shooting one handed, off hand .   amazing.

need to sight the .306 in sometime.

 //SLAMIN//
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: jgerhard on April 22, 2014, 09:05:58 PM
Ammo is def back, only one that is hard to find is .380 for me.  5.56 is reasonably affordable now and consistently found.
Title: Re: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Lhub36 on April 23, 2014, 09:53:54 AM
.22 is hardest to find around here. All others are fairly stocked.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Krawler00 on April 23, 2014, 11:08:27 AM
I need to stock up again then. But I can't seem to keep it. I want to shoot all the time  //;D//
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: gint2 on April 23, 2014, 07:58:43 PM
I can't seem to locate any .30 Carbine  //:'(//

But on a happier note!!

HB60!!

 //monk//
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Krawler00 on April 24, 2014, 09:59:07 AM
 //letseat// //letseat// //letseat// //letseat// //letseat// //worship// //wav// //BLASTEM// //BLASTEM'// //kenny// //sniper// //shoot// //ARMATA// //monk// //monk// //drool// //drool// //toast// //toast// //terror// //terror// //love// //love// //love// //LOVE// //LOVE// //LOVE// //LOVE// //WORSHIP// //WORSHIP// //WORSHIP// //LIKEBUTTON// //LIKEBUTTON// //LIKEBUTTON// //bling// //bling// //bling// //SLAMIN// //SLAMIN// //SLAMIN//


 //BEER//
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: tjsahara00 on April 24, 2014, 11:14:18 AM
 //SLAMIN//
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: gint2 on April 24, 2014, 08:50:20 PM
You a little happy Ben?  //LMAO//
Title: Re:
Post by: Krawler00 on April 24, 2014, 10:12:28 PM
For once the libtards lost. Hell yeah im happy!

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Title: Re: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: clark123456 on April 24, 2014, 11:25:52 PM
I saw a guy at Lowe's today with open carry!  I haven't seen that east of the Mississippi, as far as I can recall.  Normal thing in Phoenix.
Title: Re:
Post by: cru9 on April 25, 2014, 06:23:36 AM
I see open carry all the time. It's just people trying show off. I have never under stood open carry out in public when your running errands. I totally would open carry say out in the woods but in my opinion I don't want people knowing i am carrying
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Post by: gint2 on April 25, 2014, 10:57:17 PM
I see open carry all the time. It's just people trying show off. I have never under stood open carry out in public when your running errands. I totally would open carry say out in the woods but in my opinion I don't want people knowing i am carrying

some open carry because they do not have a WCL but still want to exercise their 2nd right.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: rodi on April 25, 2014, 11:28:21 PM
If it's poorly concealed, is that considered open carry? ;)
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Big Dave on April 26, 2014, 09:01:49 AM
Dubbed "guns everywhere" bill by the media.

There is/was a town that, by law, every household had to have a firearm. Crime did not exist there. Sounds like a nice place to live.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Mortalis5509 on April 26, 2014, 09:09:24 AM
Dubbed "guns everywhere" bill by the media.

There is/was a town that, by law, every household had to have a firearm. Crime did not exist there. Sounds like a nice place to live.

Kennesaw ga

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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Big Dave on April 26, 2014, 09:09:58 AM
That was it.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: clark123456 on April 26, 2014, 09:19:57 AM
Dubbed "guns everywhere" bill by the media.

There is/was a town that, by law, every household had to have a firearm. Crime did not exist there. Sounds like a nice place to live.

Ya, but they never enforced the law and I have been burglarized in that town.  I obeyed the law.  The law is still in the books.
Title: Re: Re: Re:
Post by: Lhub36 on April 26, 2014, 10:53:08 AM
I see open carry all the time. It's just people trying show off. I have never under stood open carry out in public when your running errands. I totally would open carry say out in the woods but in my opinion I don't want people knowing i am carrying

some open carry because they do not have a WCL but still want to exercise their 2nd right.
You still have to have a WCL to open carry. I do open carry. Thugs go for the easy mark. If they see a gun on your side they go somewhere else.
Title: Re: Re: Re:
Post by: gint2 on April 26, 2014, 09:34:46 PM
I see open carry all the time. It's just people trying show off. I have never under stood open carry out in public when your running errands. I totally would open carry say out in the woods but in my opinion I don't want people knowing i am carrying

some open carry because they do not have a WCL but still want to exercise their 2nd right.
You still have to have a WCL to open carry. I do open carry. Thugs go for the easy mark. If they see a gun on your side they go somewhere else.

Sorry... I stand corrected, you DO need a WCL to open carry. My bad!
Title: Re: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: clark123456 on April 30, 2014, 06:38:57 PM
I just heard about the "use of force" 'insurance'.  Interesting, if you think you might have to use force some day.  http://ccwsafe.com/?rep=84&gclid=CInS3qafib4CFU4R7AodjnoAMA
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: DOUG on September 02, 2014, 09:44:52 AM
  As the Supreme Court hears arguments for and against the Chicago,  IL,  Gun Ban, I offer you another stellar example of a letter (written by a marine), that places the proper perspective on what a gun means to a  civilized society.
    Interesting take and one you don't hear much... Read this eloquent and profound letter and pay close attention to the last paragraph of the letter.....
"The Gun Is Civilization"
By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)
    Human beings only have two  ways to deal with one another: reason and force. If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force.
     Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.
    In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion.  Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some.
    When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force.  You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.
    The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger and a single guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.
    There are plenty of  people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations.  These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job.
    That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat - it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed.
    People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.
    Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury.  This argument is fallacious in several ways.
    Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser.
    People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones  don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst.
    The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.
    The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter.  It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.
    When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone.   The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded.
    I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid.   It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force. It removes force from the equation... And that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.
    So the greatest civilization is one where all citizens are equally armed and can only be persuaded, never forced.
    God Bless America
 Maj. L. Caudill USMC  (Ret.)
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Krawler00 on September 05, 2014, 07:02:36 AM
Awesome.

Off Grid Post

Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: lt99ls1 on September 05, 2014, 08:26:25 AM
I like that so much that I am going to repost it.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: DOUG on March 08, 2015, 11:45:04 AM
So the Sandy Hook commission is in and all they recommend more gun control.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/03/robert-farago/sandy-hook-advisory-commission-releases-its-final-report/

Sandy Hook Advisory Commission Releases Its Final Report: 18 Gun Control Recommenations
By Robert Farago on March 6, 2015
Sandy Hook Elementary

Whenever a government agency releases information on a Friday afternoon you can bet that they’re trying to downplay bad or unpopular news. In the case of the Sandy Hook Advisory Commission’s 277-page final report, the document is roughly the same as the draft released last month – aside from 18 gun control recommendations (listed below). In the main, the report remains anti-gun in extremis. Before any discussion of Adam Lanza’s obvious untreated mental illness, it launches into a rant against gun ownership in general and “assault weapons” in specific. Like this [paragraph breaks added] . . .


United States civilians own or possess in excess of 300 million guns: as of 2009, they owned or possessed approximately 114 million handguns, million rifles and 86 million shotguns. The incidence of gun ownership/possession in the United States nearly one gun on average for every resident—is the highest in the world. Most guns are lawfully owned by law abiding persons who use them for recreational activities, such as hunting and target practice, and/or for self-defense. However, many guns are owned or possessed illegally or, even if legal, are used for unlawful purposes.

Beyond the sheer number of guns in the United States, the lethality of readily available firearms and ammunition continues to increase. The connection between the extent of the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School and the lethality [their emphasis] of weapons used in the attack on the school is self-evident and beyond dispute.

The Commission is deeply concerned about the proliferation, throughout the civilian population, of weapons that were specifically designed for military use during wartime. ―Assault weapons‖ like the AR-15, as well as large capacity magazines often used with those weapons, have no legitimate place in the civilian population. The Commission finds that the cost to society of easy civilian access to assault weapons and large capacity magazines vastly outweighs the benefits of civilian ownership.

By contrast, the Commission finds that the significant benefit to society from eliminating civilian ownership and possession of assault weapons and large capacity magazines can be realized with only a minimal burden on persons who want to hunt, engage in target practice or use weapons for self-defense. They remain free to engage in those activities with a vast array of long guns and handguns.

In short, the Commission‘s first goal is simply to limit the possession and use of weapons designed for wartime use to members of our military services and law enforcement personnel.

And there I was thinking that the goal of the Sandy Hook Advisory Commission was to recommend effective ways to avoid or combat future school shootings. ‘Cause this ain’t it. It’s like trying to ban cars to eliminate drunk driving.

It gets worse. Instead of directly addressing the educational, social services and mental health systems’ repeated, abject and decade-long failure to address Adam Lanza’s obvious psychosis, the report makes general statements on how to improve these systems.

Rather than mine A.L.‘s life and interactions with particular mental health systems for insights into how those systems can better serve the state‘s children, however, the Commission had a different charge. It was tasked to study the systems themselves . . .

While discerning no clear answers to the question of what role A.L.‘s behavioral health challenges played in the violence he ultimately inflicted, the Commission nonetheless turns its attention to what we have learned about the role of mental disorder in violent events.

That’s like saying instead of examining the commanders’ and soldiers’ actions during a disastrous battle we should examine our military as a whole. Epic. Fail. No really. The Commission didn’t even try to address the central issues of active shooter prevention and, most importantly, appropriate reaction.

The Commission contends that, while it is not yet possible to prevent such events from taking place or to insulate people from the suffering that ensues, there is much that governments, schools and other institutions can do to facilitate an effective and humane response.

“Safe School Design” is all well and good, but institutionalizing Lanza or firing a bullet into his brain as he approached the school would have been extremely effective at preventing the Sandy Hook mass shooting. Sigh. I didn’t expect much from this politically correct exercise in post-facto security theater, but I sure hoped for more. Here are their inevitable, regrettable gun control proposals, none of which would have prevented Lanza’s onslaught.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 1. Mandatory background checks on the sale or transfer of any firearm, including long guns, at private and gun show sales. Status: Recommendation accepted and adopted by P.A. 13-3, § 1.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 2. Require registration, including a certificate of registration, for every firearm. This certificate of registration should be issued subsequent to the completion of a background check and is separate and distinct from a permit to carry.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 3. Require firearms permits to be renewed on a regular basis. This renewal process should include a test of firearms handling capacity as well as an understanding of applicable laws and regulations. Status: Not adopted.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 4. Institute a ban on the sale, possession, or use of any magazine or ammunition feeding device in excess of 10 rounds except for military and police use. In proposing this recommendation, the Commission recognized that certain sporting events at times involve the use of higher capacity magazines. However, the consensus of the Commission was that the spirit of sportsmanship can be maintained with lower capacity magazines.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 5. Institute a ban on the possession or sale of all armor-piercing and incendiary bullets, regardless of caliber. First-time offenses should be classified as a Class D Felony.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 6. Allow ammunition purchases only for registered firearms.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 7. Evaluate best practices for determining the regulation or prohibition of the sale and purchase of ammunition via the Internet.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 8. Evaluate the effectiveness of federal law in limiting the purchase of firearms via the Internet to only those individuals who have passed the appropriate background screening.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 9. Limit the amount of ammunition that can be purchased at any given time.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 10. Prohibit the possession, sale or transfer of any firearm capable of firing more than 10 rounds without reloading. This prohibition would extend to military-style firearms as well as handguns. Law enforcement and military would be exempt from this ban.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 11. Require that trigger locks must be provided at the time of sale or transfer of any firearm

RECOMMENDATION NO. 12. Require that the state develop and update a ―best practices‖ manual and require that all firearms in a home be stored in a locked container and adhere to these best practices; with current minimum standards featuring a tamper-resistant mechanical lock or other safety (including biometric) device when they are not under the owner’s direct control or supervision. The owner should also be directly responsible for securing any key used to gain access to the locked container.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 13. Require non-residents seeking to purchase a firearm or ammunition in the State of Connecticut to obtain a Certificate of Eligibility and conform to all other regulations applicable to Connecticut residents.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 14. Require gun clubs to report any negligent or reckless behavior with a firearm, or illegal possession of any firearm or magazine, to the Connecticut Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection, Commissioner of Public Safety, and local law enforcement.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 15. Requiring promoters of gun shows to receive a permit from the Chief of Police or Chief Elected Official as well as provide notice to the Commissioner of the Connecticut Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 16. Require that any shell casing for ammunition sold or possessed in Connecticut have a serial number laser etched on it for tracing purposes.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 17. Any person seeking a license to sell, purchase or carry any type of firearm in the state should be required to pass a suitability screening process.

RECOMMENDATION NO. 18. To allow, at a judge’s discretion, the opportunity to temporarily remove any firearms, ammunition, and carry permits from a person who is the subject of an ex parte restraining order, civil protection order or family violence protective order, at the time of the issuance of that order. The Commission believes that the time period between the ex parte request and the issuance of a full restraining order, civil protection order or family violence protective order, constitutes a period of critical danger, one that must be recognized under law and addressed via judicial discretion.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: clark123456 on March 08, 2015, 12:01:18 PM
Do you think the commission was formed specifically to get rid of guns?
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Big Dave on March 08, 2015, 12:42:04 PM
10 round mags except for military and law enforcement - you can just carry more mags  but the cops will reload less
Limit the amount of ammo - just go to multiple stores, send your friends etc
Locks and storage - you cannot enforce what goes on inside a person's home
Serial numbers on the cases can be filed off just like on a gun.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist but it makes sense.  Looks like a botched drill.
Top Ten Reasons: Sandy Hook Was an Elaborate Hoax: http://youtu.be/pCGCw_xhbGE (http://youtu.be/pCGCw_xhbGE)
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Blue J on May 04, 2015, 12:19:42 PM
i thought Gun Control meant hitting your target?
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: DOUG on June 20, 2015, 10:24:05 PM
Gun control is at the top of the news again right behind the sc state confederate flag.

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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: DOUG on December 03, 2015, 08:10:04 AM
Different Gun Control

Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: DOUG on December 04, 2015, 07:31:05 PM
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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: tcdawg on December 04, 2015, 10:42:00 PM

Different Gun Control

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Really good video
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: mrmike1964 on December 05, 2015, 07:24:15 AM
IF they couldn't have bought a gun they would have used their RC car bomb anyway. Wene somone wants do harm they will find a way. They still got to die for their belief. "Give me your tired poor huddled masses, yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the hopeless, tempest-toosed to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" If gun control is such a concern shouldn't we be just as concerned about who we allow in our country to become Americans. It seems that some of the people coming here now are not coming to embrace the qualities, traditions, and principles that America stands for. They don't want to become an American they want to live in America, partake of our freedoms and prosperity, and try to impose their culture on our way of life.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: SemperFiArms on December 22, 2015, 08:02:30 PM
Virginia to stop recognizing concealed carry gun permits from 25 states

Glad I don't travel to Virginia...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/va-attorney-general-mark-herring-delivers-blow-to-gun-rights-advocates/2015/12/21/d72ce3d0-a821-11e5-9b92-dea7cd4b1a4d_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/va-attorney-general-mark-herring-delivers-blow-to-gun-rights-advocates/2015/12/21/d72ce3d0-a821-11e5-9b92-dea7cd4b1a4d_story.html)
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: tcdawg on December 22, 2015, 08:20:25 PM

Virginia to stop recognizing concealed carry gun permits from 25 states

Glad I don't travel to Virginia...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/va-attorney-general-mark-herring-delivers-blow-to-gun-rights-advocates/2015/12/21/d72ce3d0-a821-11e5-9b92-dea7cd4b1a4d_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/va-attorney-general-mark-herring-delivers-blow-to-gun-rights-advocates/2015/12/21/d72ce3d0-a821-11e5-9b92-dea7cd4b1a4d_story.html)

Virginia is too close to DC, the stupid gun laws are bleeding over.

Dummies
Title: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: tcdawg on December 22, 2015, 08:21:58 PM
Something Interesting happened today. I was in Home Depot and while I was walking around, wanted to pull up the website for Big Woods Goods to see something. Guess what, HD's wifi blocks gun related sites. BS
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: SemperFiArms on December 22, 2015, 09:02:04 PM
I didn't know HD had free wifi. I just use the phone when looking stuff up.

Which one were you at, 92 or Holly Springs?
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: BigMike on December 23, 2015, 11:28:42 AM
Virginia just became a more dangerous state to live in.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: kent10sne1 on December 23, 2015, 11:31:28 AM
Virginia just became a more dangerous state to live in.

Yup, ..  saw that on the news this morning....
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Big Dave on December 23, 2015, 12:48:28 PM
I saw it on YouTube and thought it was a older post.

Land of the free....... right.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: clark123456 on December 23, 2015, 12:56:08 PM
What I read makes it seem like a rational move by the Commonwealth of Virginia.  What specific part of it gives you concern?

This is what I read:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/va-attorney-general-mark-herring-delivers-blow-to-gun-rights-advocates/2015/12/21/d72ce3d0-a821-11e5-9b92-dea7cd4b1a4d_story.html


Edit:  I don't think this will stop people from killing each other, but I'm cool with enforcing laws.

- Torg
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: clark123456 on December 23, 2015, 01:02:15 PM
Notice we weren't on the list anyway.
I noticed that...what's up with that?

- Torg

Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: tcdawg on December 23, 2015, 01:19:17 PM

I didn't know HD had free wifi. I just use the phone when looking stuff up.

Which one were you at, 92 or Holly Springs?
92
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: tcdawg on December 23, 2015, 05:10:56 PM
December has been a big month for gun sales. Federal background checks are up 24% from December last year.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: clark123456 on December 23, 2015, 08:10:17 PM
I hope the next president is as gun friendly as Obama...I'm going to buy more stock in gun companies if so.  I still wonder if Obama is a paid spokes person for the gun lobby.

- Torg

Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Raisinhead on January 06, 2016, 05:30:13 PM
CNN poll - vote today.

http://www.cnn.com/partners/ios/pages/poll/
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Mortalis5509 on January 06, 2016, 06:46:50 PM
CNN poll - vote today.

http://www.cnn.com/partners/ios/pages/poll/
Done
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: kent10sne1 on January 06, 2016, 06:47:35 PM

CNN poll - vote today.

http://www.cnn.com/partners/ios/pages/poll/
Done
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: ranier1315 on January 06, 2016, 08:30:36 PM
Done! 73% yes as of my vote!
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: kent10sne1 on January 06, 2016, 08:39:34 PM
Yes the question has changed since I voted
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Raisinhead on January 06, 2016, 09:18:07 PM
It changed since I voted too.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Big Dave on January 06, 2016, 10:04:16 PM
Yes, it is different.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: clark123456 on May 11, 2016, 07:24:04 AM
Good guy with a gun wins a knife fight:  http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/05/11/us/massachusetts-mall-stabbing.html?_r=0&referer=https://www.google.com/

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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Raisinhead on July 15, 2016, 05:30:55 AM
Crazy odds.  Comments are great

https://www.facebook.com/ilike9news/photos/a.473984071076.287633.263743636076/10154060801776077/?type=3


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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: SemperFiArms on July 15, 2016, 02:43:52 PM
I really liked this one.

"Hello, Springfield warranty department..??
Yeaaa my Xd is jammed pretty bad"
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: BigMike on October 04, 2017, 11:32:22 AM
Queue up the uninformed gun control nut jobs.




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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Krawler00 on October 04, 2017, 11:50:33 AM
Queue up the uninformed gun control nut jobs.




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CLARK?! Where you at?! Ha ha, J/K man.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: kent10sne1 on October 04, 2017, 11:53:47 AM
Queue up the uninformed gun control nut jobs.




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they have been going full force since it happend.     walked in on a conversation during lunch in the break room, and a few guys where saying how does a CC permit help in this situation.   I mentioned when someone is shooting from a distance with high ground, cover or escape is the best defensive move, but had the idiot be at ground level in the crowd.  pretty sure things would be different, thats why a CC is useful.   this guy passed several back ground checks, ...  heck even a seal said, u dont have to be good from that high up to rack up a good kill rate.. just spray...   

apparently, the guy in the room below called when the glass was broken.. . an hour later it was over.  they are now saying when a security gard approached the door he got shot, and shortly after that he killed himself, but still took .... police a while to get to the room. 

the seal said maybe someone with a sniper rifle could have helped,but thats all conjecture at this point.   the guy had alot of $$$ and been stocking up guns was on some kind of anti depressent drugs.  who knows.  im sure they will find some more reasons.   

I just think it funny the libtards that think banning guns would prevent any of this.  "fake-news" .   
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: clark123456 on October 04, 2017, 01:23:27 PM
Queue up the uninformed gun control nut jobs.




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CLARK?! Where you at?! Ha ha, J/K man.
People suck.  I'm cool with people using guns for their intended purpose:  killing stuff

I won't be at an event like that, a gay club (not anymore), or a church (not anymore), so legalize anything you want.

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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: kent10sne1 on October 04, 2017, 02:20:27 PM
Queue up the uninformed gun control nut jobs.




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CLARK?! Where you at?! Ha ha, J/K man.
People suck.  I'm cool with people using guns for their intended purpose:  killing stuff

I won't be at an event like that, a gay club (not anymore), or a church (not anymore), so legalize anything you want.

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Plus while wheeling, ur protected by most of us ... some more than others but u can just sit and sip ur beer we will return fire.  ;)
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Big Dave on October 04, 2017, 04:15:40 PM
So Clarke, you stopped going to gay bars???

Seriously though, if the alleged gunman had wanted to kill anyone, let alone hunderds all he had to do is walk/drive 500 feet to the airport, get in one of his TWO planes & nose dive in the crowd.
If the plane was packed with ammonia nitrate & full of fuel he could have killed hundreds. But he chose to use guns instead.

Intresting. Very, very intresting.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Blue J on October 04, 2017, 04:28:14 PM
Any Theories on the type of guns used? What has that range and is fully auto? looking at Google earth its what 1/2 mile between 32nd floor and the concert venue? something isn't adding up.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Krawler00 on October 04, 2017, 04:31:51 PM
The entire thing does not make sense.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Anvilsam on October 04, 2017, 04:40:11 PM
Any Theories on the type of guns used? What has that range and is fully auto? looking at Google earth its what 1/2 mile between 32nd floor and the concert venue? something isn't adding up.

No theories on types of guns. Police say they found 11 semi auto ar type rifles with bumpfire stocks. I believe i heard originally they were .223 and .308. The distance ive heard is 300 to 400 yards. Neither of these rounds would have any issues with that distance. Why is something not adding up? For a crowd that size its probably equivalent to shooting a 10x10 wall at 25 yards. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Big Dave on October 04, 2017, 05:16:42 PM
The distance was 445 yards. Its been said a .22 can be lethal at that range. I can personally hit a 10 inch plate @ 300 yards & open sights on a gun that was brand new to me.
I could definitely hit 60+ targets out of 22k @ 450 yards spraying a AR with a bump fire or crank fire apparatus.
Its very doable & I am a shitty shot.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: clark123456 on October 04, 2017, 07:07:22 PM
The distance was 445 yards. Its been said a .22 can be lethal at that range. I can personally hit a 10 inch plate @ 300 yards & open sights on a gun that was brand new to me.
I could definitely hit 60+ targets out of 22k @ 450 yards spraying a AR with a bump fire or crank fire apparatus.
Its very doable & I am a shitty shot.
Yep...that's what I've heard, too ~450.  Kell said a quarter mile, but she was wrong.

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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Trailabite on October 04, 2017, 07:20:54 PM
A 1/4 mile = 1320 feet (5280/4)

445 Yards = 1335 feet (445*3)

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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: clark123456 on October 04, 2017, 07:46:27 PM
A 1/4 mile = 1320 feet (5280/4)

445 Yards = 1335 feet (445*3)

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Maybe I was wrong....I thought I heard 450 feet...which makes no sense now!  Kell was right, as usual...damn.

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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Trailabite on October 04, 2017, 07:49:05 PM
A 1/4 mile = 1320 feet (5280/4)

445 Yards = 1335 feet (445*3)

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Maybe I was wrong....I thought I heard 450 feet...which makes no sense now!  Kell was right, as usual...damn.

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No need to tell her lol

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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: clark123456 on October 04, 2017, 07:52:54 PM
A 1/4 mile = 1320 feet (5280/4)

445 Yards = 1335 feet (445*3)

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Maybe I was wrong....I thought I heard 450 feet...which makes no sense now!  Kell was right, as usual...damn.

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No need to tell her lol

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Oh, I didn't tell her she was wrong, and I won't mention she was right...

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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: patman on October 04, 2017, 09:00:47 PM
The distance was 445 yards. Its been said a .22 can be lethal at that range. I can personally hit a 10 inch plate @ 300 yards & open sights on a gun that was brand new to me.
I could definitely hit 60+ targets out of 22k @ 450 yards spraying a AR with a bump fire or crank fire apparatus.
Its very doable & I am a shitty shot.
Yep...that's what I've heard, too ~450.  Kell said a quarter mile, but she was wrong.

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How long is a quarter mile in yards?
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: clark123456 on October 04, 2017, 09:01:36 PM
The distance was 445 yards. Its been said a .22 can be lethal at that range. I can personally hit a 10 inch plate @ 300 yards & open sights on a gun that was brand new to me.
I could definitely hit 60+ targets out of 22k @ 450 yards spraying a AR with a bump fire or crank fire apparatus.
Its very doable & I am a shitty shot.
Yep...that's what I've heard, too ~450.  Kell said a quarter mile, but she was wrong.

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How long is a quarter mile in yards?
Keep reading

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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: patman on October 04, 2017, 09:02:47 PM
The distance was 445 yards. Its been said a .22 can be lethal at that range. I can personally hit a 10 inch plate @ 300 yards & open sights on a gun that was brand new to me.
I could definitely hit 60+ targets out of 22k @ 450 yards spraying a AR with a bump fire or crank fire apparatus.
Its very doable & I am a shitty shot.
Yep...that's what I've heard, too ~450.  Kell said a quarter mile, but she was wrong.

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How long is a quarter mile in yards?
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No.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Big Dave on October 04, 2017, 09:36:57 PM
Alot
440 yards
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Anvilsam on October 11, 2017, 11:43:13 AM
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This is a joke right? Surely they aren't that dumb.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Raisinhead on October 11, 2017, 01:51:25 PM
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This is a joke right? Surely they aren't that dumb.

Haha, why didn't our military think of this? Brilliant
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Jeeptrk on October 12, 2017, 11:16:46 AM
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This is a joke right? Surely they aren't that dumb.

now if they could just figure out how to make it rack the bolt too... and yes they are that stupid.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Raisinhead on October 12, 2017, 12:30:48 PM
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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: BigMike on October 13, 2017, 02:02:06 PM
Mom's Demand Action is a Bloomberg funded organization.  If you really want a laugh and get your blood boiling, read their stupid shit on Facebook. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Big Dave on October 13, 2017, 02:28:58 PM
Mom's Demand Full Auto Action ............. 

Would be a awesome women's group. Hell, I might would join it. I mean the Boy Scouts allow girls & all. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: DOUG on January 05, 2018, 02:37:17 PM
Enjoy a few words of tactical firearm wisdom:

- Don’t forget, incoming fire has the right of way.

- I carry a gun cause a cop is too heavy.

- If you carry a gun, people will call you paranoid. That’s ridiculous. If I have a gun, what in the hell do I have to be paranoid about.

- Make your attacker advance through a wall of bullets.

- I may get killed with my own gun, but he’s going to have to beat me to death with it, cause it’s going to be empty.

- The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental.

- Shoot what’s available, as long as it’s available, until something else becomes available.

- When you reload in low light encounters, don’t put your flashlight in your back pocket… If you light yourself up, you’ll look like an angel or the tooth fairy…and you’re going to be one of them pretty soon.

- Don’t shoot fast, shoot good.

- You have the rest of your life to solve your problems. How long you live depends on how well you do it.

- Don’t pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he’ll just kill you.

- An armed man will kill an unarmed man with monotonous regularity.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: clark123456 on August 04, 2018, 09:51:43 PM
NRA going away

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/08/04/us/nra-new-york-lawsuit/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: BigPrince on August 04, 2018, 11:03:19 PM
NRA going away

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/08/04/us/nra-new-york-lawsuit/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

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Very much doubt they are going anywhere.  If they do, which I doubt highly, GOA and other groups are right behind them to take the torch.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: clark123456 on August 05, 2018, 06:36:48 AM
NRA going away

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/08/04/us/nra-new-york-lawsuit/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

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Very much doubt they are going anywhere.  If they do, which I doubt highly, GOA and other groups are right behind them to take the torch.
Yeah, I agree on them not going away.  It would be interesting to see their books; I am curious how much they make from the insurance program.

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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: kent10sne1 on August 05, 2018, 08:01:33 AM
NRA going away

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/08/04/us/nra-new-york-lawsuit/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

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LOL  CNN not sure i would take much of anything that place says as even printable. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: clark123456 on August 05, 2018, 08:06:26 AM
NRA going away

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/08/04/us/nra-new-york-lawsuit/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

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LOL  CNN not sure i would take much of anything that place says as even printable.
That ignorance is your problem.  Try to be less ignorant by reading.

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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: BigMike on August 05, 2018, 08:13:17 AM
NRA going away

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/08/04/us/nra-new-york-lawsuit/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

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LOL  CNN not sure i would take much of anything that place says as even printable.
That ignorance is your problem.  Try to be less ignorant by reading.

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Damn Clark, pretty harsh.  The story is the loony left's wet dream.  Try to be more educated and understand a law suit plea from reality.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: clark123456 on August 05, 2018, 08:22:08 AM
NRA going away

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/08/04/us/nra-new-york-lawsuit/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

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LOL  CNN not sure i would take much of anything that place says as even printable.
That ignorance is your problem.  Try to be less ignorant by reading.

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Damn Clark, pretty harsh.  The story is the loony left's wet dream.  Try to be more educated and understand a law suit plea from reality.
A more trustworthy news source:  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxbusiness.com/markets/the-latest-cuomo-to-seek-dismissal-of-nra-lawsuit.amp

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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: kent10sne1 on August 05, 2018, 08:22:46 AM
NRA going away

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/08/04/us/nra-new-york-lawsuit/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

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LOL  CNN not sure i would take much of anything that place says as even printable.
That ignorance is your problem.  Try to be less ignorant by reading.

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Thats ok, instead of reading and knowing the fact that they even ran the story, knowing its hanging by a thread.  NRA is not going anywhere, if it was, u would see it on more stations and get more traction, but my Ignorance, tells me to not be sucked into obscure news i read from a site thats know for leaning so far to the crazy side that most if not all of the storys are so liberal its past being funny.    being ignorant is not about reading something, its about spending time to understand an obscure news story that no other creditable site is making this like OMG! this is news. . tends to lean its crap from a site that has a long history of running crap.  it works both ways.  FOX can do the same thing as can other leaning sites..   i did read it, but made a call based on other factors.   i didnt think i needed to explain my self.  i will try and be more helpful in the future so as not to confuse u.  ;)
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: kent10sne1 on August 05, 2018, 08:25:23 AM
NRA going away

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/08/04/us/nra-new-york-lawsuit/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

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LOL  CNN not sure i would take much of anything that place says as even printable.
That ignorance is your problem.  Try to be less ignorant by reading.

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Damn Clark, pretty harsh.  The story is the loony left's wet dream.  Try to be more educated and understand a law suit plea from reality.
A more trustworthy news source:  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxbusiness.com/markets/the-latest-cuomo-to-seek-dismissal-of-nra-lawsuit.amp

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it was the .. NRA going away comment, click bait.  stop drinking the coolaid   plus.  foxbusiness discussion was less about, nra going away. and more about the lawsuit and u wonder why i so mistrusst anything from CNN
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: kent10sne1 on August 05, 2018, 08:31:18 AM
NRA going away

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/08/04/us/nra-new-york-lawsuit/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

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LOL  CNN not sure i would take much of anything that place says as even printable.
That ignorance is your problem.  Try to be less ignorant by reading.

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Damn Clark, pretty harsh.  The story is the loony left's wet dream.  Try to be more educated and understand a law suit plea from reality.
Naw, I know clark he means well, and knowing its from him, hard for me to take it personal.  he is passionate and regardless of what "side" he is on, im glad he is passionate , maybe the ignorant comment was a bit much, but I do read and spend time trying to see how high on the "does this matter" meter this falls for me.  just like to toss a wrench into his comments every now and then.  ;)   thanks for the defense Mike. 
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: clark123456 on August 05, 2018, 08:33:12 AM
NRA going away

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/08/04/us/nra-new-york-lawsuit/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

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LOL  CNN not sure i would take much of anything that place says as even printable.
That ignorance is your problem.  Try to be less ignorant by reading.

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Damn Clark, pretty harsh.  The story is the loony left's wet dream.  Try to be more educated and understand a law suit plea from reality.
A more trustworthy news source:  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxbusiness.com/markets/the-latest-cuomo-to-seek-dismissal-of-nra-lawsuit.amp

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it was the .. NRA going away comment, click bait.  stop drinking the coolaid   plus.  foxbusiness discussion was less about, nra going away. and more about the lawsuit and u wonder why i so mistrusst anything from CNN
Yeah, it was the NRA who is stating they will be out of business if they can't sell and get insurance.  I'm confused as to why they don't self insure...their people never do anything wrong, so insurance is a pure profit machine.  Oh well, it's just one more civil liberties org going away.

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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Big Dave on August 05, 2018, 04:40:40 PM
NRA going away

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/08/04/us/nra-new-york-lawsuit/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

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LOL  CNN not sure i would take much of anything that place says as even printable.
That ignorance is your problem.  Try to be less ignorant by reading.

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Ahh, our favorite forum troll. Doing what he does best.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: clark123456 on August 05, 2018, 05:17:58 PM
NRA going away

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/08/04/us/nra-new-york-lawsuit/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

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LOL  CNN not sure i would take much of anything that place says as even printable.
That ignorance is your problem.  Try to be less ignorant by reading.

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Ahh, our favorite forum troll. Doing what he does best.
Hey, are you trolling me?

I really wasn't trolling...I was as concerned as Oliver North.  However, I am sure he'd find a way to fund it with money from Iran.

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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Chris36l on August 05, 2018, 06:12:00 PM
NRA going away

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/08/04/us/nra-new-york-lawsuit/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

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LOL  CNN not sure i would take much of anything that place says as even printable.
That ignorance is your problem.  Try to be less ignorant by reading.

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Damn Clark, pretty harsh.  The story is the loony left's wet dream.  Try to be more educated and understand a law suit plea from reality.
A more trustworthy news source:  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxbusiness.com/markets/the-latest-cuomo-to-seek-dismissal-of-nra-lawsuit.amp

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it was the .. NRA going away comment, click bait.  stop drinking the coolaid   plus.  foxbusiness discussion was less about, nra going away. and more about the lawsuit and u wonder why i so mistrusst anything from CNN
Yeah, it was the NRA who is stating they will be out of business if they can't sell and get insurance.  I'm confused as to why they don't self insure...their people never do anything wrong, so insurance is a pure profit machine.  Oh well, it's just one more civil liberties org going away.

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Civil liberties? I don’t get it.


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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: clark123456 on August 05, 2018, 06:27:41 PM


NRA going away

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/08/04/us/nra-new-york-lawsuit/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

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LOL  CNN not sure i would take much of anything that place says as even printable.
That ignorance is your problem.  Try to be less ignorant by reading.

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Damn Clark, pretty harsh.  The story is the loony left's wet dream.  Try to be more educated and understand a law suit plea from reality.
A more trustworthy news source:  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxbusiness.com/markets/the-latest-cuomo-to-seek-dismissal-of-nra-lawsuit.amp

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it was the .. NRA going away comment, click bait.  stop drinking the coolaid   plus.  foxbusiness discussion was less about, nra going away. and more about the lawsuit and u wonder why i so mistrusst anything from CNN
Yeah, it was the NRA who is stating they will be out of business if they can't sell and get insurance.  I'm confused as to why they don't self insure...their people never do anything wrong, so insurance is a pure profit machine.  Oh well, it's just one more civil liberties org going away.

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Civil liberties? I don’t get it.


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I was equating a civil right with a civil liberty.  While the NRA considers itself to be a civil rights organization, I think it's more accurate to consider them a civil liberty organization. 

I love civil liberty organizations.

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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Big Dave on August 05, 2018, 08:38:40 PM
According to this little old thing called the Constitution, having firearms is a God given right.
Therefore they could be considered a civil rights organization.
I don't but some might.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: clark123456 on August 05, 2018, 09:35:44 PM
According to this little old thing called the Constitution, having firearms is a God given right.
Therefore they could be considered a civil rights organization.
I don't but some might.

They do:
From the NRA website:  The National Rifle Association is America's longest-standing civil rights organization. Together with our more than five million members, we're proud defenders of history's patriots and diligent protectors of the Second Amendment.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: tjsahara00 on August 06, 2018, 05:19:49 AM
Got to love when the fish take the bait....hook, line and sinker
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Big Dave on August 24, 2018, 10:15:49 PM
Well, I f☆#ed up today.
I was TRYING to practice offhand shooting & sliced a deep cut cut in my offhand.
Lesson.
Don't assume. Simulate beforehand. The support hand goes under the trigger hand.
Stupid mistake on my part. Thank God I'm the only only one who is injured.
#slidesdontcare
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: clark123456 on August 25, 2018, 06:17:48 AM
Well, I f☆#ed up today.
I was TRYING to practice offhand shooting & sliced a deep cut cut in my offhand.
Lesson.
Don't assume. Simulate beforehand. The support hand goes under the trigger hand.
Stupid mistake on my part. Thank God I'm the only only one who is injured.
#slidesdontcare
I'm sorry you were injured.  Any pics?

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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Big Dave on August 25, 2018, 01:44:02 PM
No pics but went to Urgent care this morning.  Doc said yeap you need stiches.
It was cut to the bone. Only put in 3 stiches because it had been 24 hours.
Can't ties my shoes. Looks like I'll be getting my 55 & older Velcro shoes a tad early.
Work should be interesting.
Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: clark123456 on August 26, 2018, 09:47:10 AM
No pics but went to Urgent care this morning.  Doc said yeap you need stiches.
It was cut to the bone. Only put in 3 stiches because it had been 24 hours.
Can't ties my shoes. Looks like I'll be getting my 55 & older Velcro shoes a tad early.
Work should be interesting.
Those shoes are for the mentally challenged crew, too.

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Title: Re: Gun Control Info Thread
Post by: Chris36l on August 26, 2018, 11:43:48 AM
No pics but went to Urgent care this morning.  Doc said yeap you need stiches.
It was cut to the bone. Only put in 3 stiches because it had been 24 hours.
Can't ties my shoes. Looks like I'll be getting my 55 & older Velcro shoes a tad early.
Work should be interesting.
Those shoes are for the mentally challenged crew, too.

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Hey hey, I resemble that remark


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