this is obviously a sore spot for MikeD and I know where he is coming from. I am still open myself to doing something but for me its timing. I am only home 3 months out of a year. Now, I did suggest what Fisher House does. Purchase an item and do a raffle. When I was with my old company, we purchased M4's and raffled them off for 20$ a ticket and the money went to the injured guys and their families. I guess there is many ways to approach it, but the lesson here is GATR is spaced out and most guys can't drop everything and show up for a ride. Yes, you get a bunch of lip service when you try to organize this type of event along with other club functions. This was MikeD's complaint. He has cooled off I think, and he will most likely bash me, but it is what it is! {salute}