with out hi jacking the thread to much, i'm thinking of going rocks or portals, but not in the jeep. jeep has been doing good with the 8.8 and 44 combo. and i havn't really hacked it to a point that i can't still get some money back out of it when/if i was to sell it. i have been thinking, i have the tools, why not build from scratch. full on tube buggy 4 seater, with cooler access in the back. thought is v-8, 5 or 6 speed tranny, monster box, rock or portals, then build around that. low chassie/big tire build. still in the thought process, havn't comitted to anything yet.