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Queue up the gun debate
clark123456:
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--- Quote from: clark123456 on February 17, 2018, 11:50:48 AM ---I wouldn't mind a way to hold people accOuntable who provide, or don't secure, guns used in these killings. Right now the only accountability has to do with the individuals who commit the crime, regardless of how they get the weapons.
Tell me again, what is wrong with the registry?
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I actually think they are... if I'm not mistaken, they can be arrested for providing or not restricting access to someone who commits a crime
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They should do a perp walk for those folks..educate the public.
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patman:
Jimbo, the 90s AWB was ineffective and there was no measurable statistic to prove it did anything. The VT shooter also only used low capacity magazines, so large capacity magazine bans are also pointless.
The only point of these laws/bans was for certain people to say they accomplished something. Many proponents of these rules openly stated (later on) that the true intent wasn't to deter that activity, but to use as a stepping stone to a total ban on firearms. Luckily, they failed.
patman:
--- Quote from: clark123456 on February 17, 2018, 01:26:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: patman on February 17, 2018, 01:23:39 PM ---
--- Quote from: clark123456 on February 17, 2018, 11:50:48 AM ---I wouldn't mind a way to hold people accOuntable who provide, or don't secure, guns used in these killings. Right now the only accountability has to do with the individuals who commit the crime, regardless of how they get the weapons.
Tell me again, what is wrong with the registry?
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I actually think they are... if I'm not mistaken, they can be arrested for providing or not restricting access to someone who commits a crime
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They should do a perp walk for those folks..educate the public.
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Agreed. One thing I can compromise on is raising the age of purchase from 18-21 for rifles unless having a military waiver. Kids are dumb, younger kids are dumber
BigMike:
Nobody wants to discuss the issue, only push their own agenda. We keep going around and around with this issue.
Let's try to get to the core problem with mass murder. Take away the tools ... AR's, AK's, shotguns, trucks filled with fertilizer and diesel fuel, etc.
My take on it is the disregard for human life. Murder is illegal but it still happens. If every AR-type gun didn't exist in the hands of civilians, just as many children would be dead today. Some people have evil intentions and will find a way to kill people.
Now, no matter what happens on Capitol Hill, AR's will never be banned. The gun control issue will rage on and in the end, nothing will happen ... IMO.
So how do we protect children at schools? Well, how do we protect VIP's? How do we protect money in a bank? How do we protect the President? With guns. Even then it is 100% effective but it is a deterrent.
Arm the staff at schools that are willing to be trained and carry. Again, IMO, if the hero coach that shielded kids with his body had a weapon, he probably wouldn't be dead and would have saved more lives than he did.
A very long-time friend of mine had his own church in Ohio before retiring to FL. He carried a .38 in a shoulder holster under his suit while preaching on Sundays. He was always armed. When the kid in SC shot those people at bible study, I texted my friend a couple days later and said "I'll bet that kid wouldn't have killed anyone at your bible study", he replied "nope, no way".
Some schools in the US have already implemented arming their staff. The Left hates this idea because it calls for more guns, not less ... all the while they enjoy being protected by armed security.
I'm open to your view on this. What do you think the core issue is?
Blue J:
--- Quote from: Big Dave on February 17, 2018, 11:41:15 AM ---Clarke, a registration will not happen.
Jimbo, if you are correct, hunting rifles & handguns were used at Colombine. How would a "assault weapons" ban have stopped or altered the outcome?
The term "assault weapons" is a made up name to scare folks. They are a sporting rifle.
There are laws on the books that makes DUI illegal but there are folks arrested daily for it. Have you ever heard of ANYONE utter the words ban alcohol or cars?
Same difference. Its not the guns fault.
There have been several knife attacks across the pond where 50 to 100 people were killed. Japan is one.
So lets ban guns, knives, crock pots, pencils, or anything pointy. Literally, anything can be made into a weapon. Timothy McVeigh used cow shit & a box truck.
Mental health is the underlying issue & until out our elected officials address this issue we will continue to have mass killings, even if no firearms are involved.
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They tried an alcohol ban at the start of the last century.
Mental Health is the Core issue.
Do you think DUI has gone down or up since before MADD started with their Ad Campaigns and laws were put on the books to enforce DUI's? Society has changed. and It needs to again.
Personally I think we need to bring back public executions. And hang anyone caught committing mass murder or any murders.
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