Just because somebody calls something junk, does not mean it is. I think some guys get way too hung up on the name. Like Warn, they make good stuff, but I can buy an xrc8 way cheaper than any 8000lb they sell. It goes with everything, you pay for the name when majority of the products are the same quality. The price is right on their stuff and I have never used any of their stuff, but I have seen a few on here using them and liking them. Heck, I am runnin rugged ridge sliders and I would get laughed at on pirate if I posted that... who cares, they work! {salute}