I'm in San Diego this week, for the first time. I ate at a pizza joint last night, and I asked the bartender for an IPA recommendation. He said, "#17", so I went for it. It was a phenomenal IPA (technically an IIPA)...I would put it as world class. So I went to get a second one and I read the name associated with #17..."Pliny the Elder"....yeah, it is a world class beer!