Georgia Trail Riders Forum
MEMBERS DISCUSSION AREA => General Discussion => Topic started by: The_Dealer on December 24, 2013, 09:31:37 PM
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Hey guys, as some of you know, my tj was totaled by a drunk driver. I bought it back, and want to put my parts to good use. Im in the market for an LJ, but will consider another TJ . I read all these builds where guys buy a clean jeep with a blown motor/trans/etc for stupid cheap. Where and the heck are these guys getting these? I see them on eBay all of the time. What do you even look for when buying a rig sight unseen? I want to buy as close to stock as I can. I dont see the point in buying a rig that's running perfectly. I didnt know if there's some top secret places these guys are buying these or what. In case its relevant, here's my plans:
Buy a nice somewhat clean LJ with a major mechanical problem. No rust, no frame damage, good interior/top/paint.
Swap the complete drivetrain and engine wiring/pcm from my wrecked tj into it(4.7 stroker, 3spd 32rh, 231/sye, and my 8.8)
I also want suggestions. Buy a good running LJ that's in my price range, or buy a fixer upper. I will end up dd'ing it alot, but I have a new dd until its ready. I really want to reuse the ATK 4.7, as it has less then 10k miles on it. My bds front coils and OME rears can be reused, I never installed my adjustable tb's, and I love the 32rh. Seeing as how the LJ's didnt have that option, I'd have to work that one out myself
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I'd keep an eye on pirate and hardline classifieds...I am pretty sure I've seen something like you seek, in general, in the past.
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Daveys Jeeps for salvage that are almost ready to roll...
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There was one on hardline with no motor or axles a while back. Custom cage with other work done. Just keep a eye out and go from there
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If for some reason you change your mind and part out your Jeep, I would be interested in the 4.7.
Till then check this out.
http://www.hardlinecrawlers.com/forums/index.php?topic=29970.0
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What is hardline? Im really wanting something stock, or close to it. I learned my lesson buying an already built k20. Having to go through and redo all of the rigged up crap, replace cheap parts. I seriously would've came out alot better to do everything myself on a stocker. It was just so damn clean. Plus I want to follow the plan I had for my tj. I'll be reusing the coils, but instead of the RE arms I'll start with mc ones. Some guys dont like mix matching coils, but I fell in love with the BDS 3" front(158lb/in) and OME HD rear(160lb/in). I plan on 3" suspension, 1"bl+ucf tt, 8.8 rear, d44 front, MC arched fronts, TNT rear corners/flares, and 37's. I didnt think about daveys jeeps. How important is it to have a clean title over a salvage title? Im assuming for resale value? The junkyards I've seen has some rigs like im looking for(non jeeps) that have salvage titles. Should I steer clear of something like that? Its not going to be my primary vehicle, but I still want to have it registered, and be able to drive it whenever I wanted. Im one of the rare few who actually like to drive a decently built jeep everyday. Now that the wife has a wk2, I now have a tow pig.
I've also thought about parting the tj out, and doing an sas on my kj with a jk rubi 44. Be alot cheaper then a new rig, and I could put the money saved elsewhere. Decisions decisions.
LT99LS1: of I decided to sell the motor, you prolly wouldn't like the price. Its an ATK 4.7 "base/stage 1" , Bosch 4 hole injectors(fiveomotorsports/flow matched and rebuilt 24lb/hr), new IAC/TPS/MAP/CPS/Cam position sensor/IAT/oil pressure senser/upstream 02/ and factory 2 flange header. I'd even throw in the hoses, , motor mounts, and a/c crap. But i couldn't take less then $2700. It has less then 10k miles, performed ATK's break in by the book using Royal purple break in oil. All sensors are oem replacement except the tps/iat/map(bwd). If you would still be interested, i will let you know if i decide to sell it. I paid $3000 for the crate motor, and later spent around 500-600 on sensors(no issues, just wanted new sensors). All receipts as well
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Hardlinecrawlers.com and pirate4x4.com are other online forums with classified sections.
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^ and generally, for what you're paying, the stuff on there is not junk.
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I've been looking over on pirate, but most of them are a little more then what would fit me. Yea, I actually trust buying a built rig on pirate, 90% of them were built by well known shops anyways. I've had good luck on buying parts off pirate members as well. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a built rig on tons with thousands of dollars worth of bling top notch parts, but I really dont need it. Hell, I really wouldn't need 37's these days, but it would be capable if I wanted it to be. With the kids, and the wheeling I'd do, buying a built rig would be a waste. I'd rather see a "pirate" rig go to someone that will really beat on it. I also just really like taking a rig from stock, and slowly building it up. Now after the kids get older, I want to start doing the serious fab, and teaching my son some wrenching skills
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I think you would be far ahead if you found one of those built tj or jk that can wheel or be a dd. Part yours out. Fixing a few things is far cheaper than building out. Nice tj pop up on pirate, not so much on hardline.
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I figured it would be easier to copy and paste this from my post in another thread.
I found an 05 LJ(red/dark gray interior) on eBay last night, and im waiting on the seller to get back with me. It was overheated due to a WP leak, and knocks skips, and smokes. It has 120k, and is an auto, with a/c. Its in Louisiana, and looks to be in pretty good shape. He's asking a pretty good price as well. If he gets back to me, and I like what I hear, I'll be getting it. My buddy lives in the same town, so im going to see if the seller will let him check it out for me. I need to search around a bit about putting the 32rh in a newer tj. I imagine with the tj wiring and pcm it would work.
I heard back from the seller, he's asking $4200, which sounds like a fair price. My buddy is going over this afternoon to check it out. If he can get it to around $4k, he's going to buy it. I'll reimburse him when I pick it up. Hopefully he can get it cheaper then going through eBay
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Why not the 42rle? The 32 doesn't have OD.
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I figured it would be easier to copy and paste this from my post in another thread.
I found an 05 LJ(red/dark gray interior) It has 120k, and is an auto, with a/c. I need to search around a bit about putting the 32rh in a newer tj. I imagine with the tj wiring and pcm it would work.
I am about to put an AW4 in my 05 LJ. The flywheels changed in 05. The 32rh flywheel will bolt up just fine but the computer can not use the timing marks. Your going to either need to change out the whole wiring harness pcm OR make a fly wheel OR buy a kit from hesco to make it work.
Flywheel
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/jeep-hardcore-tech/1325217-aw4-swap-into-05-tj-hard-way.html
Hesco kit
http://www.hesco.us/products/7902/40l-conversion-parts/128624/2005-06-rh-dampersensor-kit#.Ur2K4E13t9A
I would put in an AW4 before I would do the 32rh, but to each his own.
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I really want to install an AW4 in my 00' TJ some day...
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The AW4 is tough. I used to have two laying around
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I really want to install an AW4 in my 00' TJ some day...
I had one in my 97 and loved it. It is much easier to do in the older Tjs.
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I really want to install an AW4 in my 00' TJ some day...
I had one in my 97 and loved it. It is much easier to do in the older Tjs.
Sorry for the Hijack...
You don't happen to have an good write up for older TJ's like mine bookmarked on your PC do you?
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There are a bunch of write ups on the web. Here is one of the better ones. http://www.stu-offroad.com/engine/aw-4/aw-4-1.htm
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Fyi. I never used the tcu and just used a rail shift and the stock shifter.
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I figured it would be easier to copy and paste this from my post in another thread.
I found an 05 LJ(red/dark gray interior) It has 120k, and is an auto, with a/c. I need to search around a bit about putting the 32rh in a newer tj. I imagine with the tj wiring and pcm it would work.
I am about to put an AW4 in my 05 LJ. The flywheels changed in 05. The 32rh flywheel will bolt up just fine but the computer can not use the timing marks. Your going to either need to change out the whole wiring harness pcm OR make a fly wheel OR buy a kit from hesco to make it work.
Flywheel
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/jeep-hardcore-tech/1325217-aw4-swap-into-05-tj-hard-way.html
Hesco kit
http://www.hesco.us/products/7902/40l-conversion-parts/128624/2005-06-rh-dampersensor-kit#.Ur2K4E13t9A
I would put in an AW4 before I would do the 32rh, but to each his own.
I believe it has something to do with a difference in the location the ckps mounts doesn't it? I was planning on using the complete 4.7 stroker, trans, tcase, engine harness, and pcm from my 2000. My buddy said the tires were dry rotted from sitting so long, and the motor made hella racket , but was definitely a good buy. I forgot to tell my buddy that i was buying it to swap my good parts over, so at first he made a big deal about it knocking. I just told him i was going to fix it. I decided to do the right thing and just buy it through eBay. As Clark said, i wouldn't have found it without them. As soon as I deposited my insurance check this morning, i clicked the buy it now. It actually all worked out pretty good. My buddy paid the guy, and left with it on a trailer. He has to go to Alabama Sunday, so I'm meeting him and bringing the LJ and the trailer home. His parents needed his trailer to haul a tractor. That saves his parents a trip to get it, and saves me a trip to Louisiana. I dont think it could work out too much better. That's a good buddy, i owe him a few beers. Hopefully i can start on moving parts over next week.
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sweet!
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That's awesome!
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That should also be a good build thread.
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Awesome.
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Good karma!
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That should also be a good build thread.
After the run of bad luck Ive had lately, i was due for some good luck. I'll make sure I do one here. Im just going to add to the one I had on jf, so ill copy and paste that on here. After all the tj build is a big part of this one too. My buddy actually drove the thing when he went to check it out//LMAO//. I just wanted him to look at it and make sure it wasn't ragged out. He said despite the engine noise and bad tires, it actually drove good. A/c worked as well. I actually like the fact that I can combine the best parts from both and make a good jeep. Being able to sell good parts I dont need is a good thing too. Its going to be fun, and i gotta try not to get too excited and be wrenching 10hrs at a time. Yall know how it is, when the porch light starts flashing, its the wife firing a warning shot.
I've had alot of guys ask me why the 32rh and not the aw4. I really like the aw4, and with the longer rear shaft of the LJ, it won't need a mega short sye. I have enough wrenching to do, and the aw4 would create more. My 32rh works like new, is simple, and a crap load better then the 42rle. Plus it won't cost me a thing. I like the fact that it is mechanical, with the only pcm control being tc lockup. Makes things alot simpler on a wheeling rig. I never liked the 32rh, and I had plans to swap an ax15 when buying my tj. After getting the tv cable adjusted correctly, and some clean fluid and filter, I fell in love pretty fast. The ability to hold a gear, and the function of the factory shifter helped as well. Plus when do you see a 32rh in an LJ?
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I believe it has something to do with a difference in the location the ckps mounts doesn't it? I was planning on using the complete 4.7 stroker, trans, tcase, engine harness, and pcm from my 2000.
It is more than the CKPS being in a different spot.
You will bypass all the problems by doing it the way your going to do the swap.
Congrats on the buy.
I will be interest in seeing your build thread.