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MEMBERS DISCUSSION AREA => General Discussion => Topic started by: rockcrusher on May 16, 2010, 11:10:25 AM
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I found this on NAXJA:
http://www.pure-gas.org/
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Cool link. To bad there aren't any close to gainesville
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whats wrong with Ethanol.. it comes from corn and helps out the American Farmer.. its not new.. its been around for yrs and yrs...
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whats wrong with Ethanol.. it comes from corn and helps out the American Farmer.. its not new.. its been around for yrs and yrs...
Reduced MPG, more harsh on your fuel system, heavily subsidized by the government, and during the gas crunch the rush to Ethanol caused many farmers to stop growing feed crops and move towards crops that can be used towards Ethanol production. Which lead to increased feed prices and put many more American Farmers out of business than it helped... {salute}
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most cars that have been made since the 90's can run it without problems... that is the 10% based.. now the E-85 stuff I dont know.. but I do know that in Iowa we have been running it for a long time.. as far as MPG go.. that is just wrong... you get better MPGs.. cause here I get about 12mpg and when I go home i get about 14mpg....
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Not to call you out Mike, but the chemistry does not add up for better MPG with more Ethanol.
http://aaae.okstate.edu/proceedings/2005/Articles/556.pdf
If you get a Mileage difference between here and home it is likely due to a difference in terrain.
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Here is a interesting study concerning gasoline v/s E-85..
http://www.edmunds.com/advice/alternativefuels/articles/120863/article.html
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Definitely get worse mileage with ethanol. I used to work with a guy that drove a FFV and did a lot of interstate travel for work. He ran 5 tanks of gas and 5 tanks of ethanol once to see the difference, he said the decreased mpg with e-85 and lower cost made the e-85 and the gas within tenths of a penny for cost/mile. Corn based ethanol sucks in pretty much every way: too expensive, poor gas mileage, and raises cost of practically every food we eat. Ethanol also wears rubber fuel lines out faster than pure gasoline on older vehicles produced before e-10 was popular. There are some companies making ethanol out of waste product, which is a much better idea, but its not very popular yet. Personally, I think kudzunol would be an excellent alternative fuel. No one farms kudzu so it wouldn't increase food costs, it would be so cheap it would justify crappy mpgs, and it grows so fast you could easily keep up with a large demand.
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Ethanol was a good concept but its just not working out. The reason you get worse fuel mileage is that it takes more ethanol to produce the same amount of energy as a unit of gasoline. Corn based could work out if we stopped exporting so much, because then the US demand of corn wouldn't be affected.
UT is putting millions of dollars into switchgrass research but I don't know if it will work out. Switchgrass is a great source but right now, its just not feasible to produce the amount needed to supply the demand.
Personally, I think ethanol is great for having an alternate source to gasoline but it is not a long term solution. Once they can lower the cost of hydrogen production without any environmental consequences, that will be the fuel of the future.
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Not to call you out Mike, but the chemistry does not add up for better MPG with more Ethanol.
http://aaae.okstate.edu/proceedings/2005/Articles/556.pdf
If you get a Mileage difference between here and home it is likely due to a difference in terrain.
ok so what you posted has to do with lawn mower engines.. and if you read what you posted it says that to get the better MPG and HP you would need a bigger engine.. also terrain is about the same.. maybe its the high ground.. ya know the fact that Iowa is like 1200ft above sea level... or so shit like that....
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Here is a interesting study concerning gasoline v/s E-85..
http://www.edmunds.com/advice/alternativefuels/articles/120863/article.html
cant fight that...
this is what I have to say.... if you dont like Ethanol then dont buy it.... its like porn if you dont like to watch it then dont... NOONE IS MAKING U BUY IT.... whats next... dont buy the electric cars cause they suck,,, please.. everyone will have they thoughts on a subject.. they may not match. ... who cares...
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this is what I have to say.... if you dont like Ethanol then dont buy it.... its like porn if you dont like to watch it then dont... NOONE IS MAKING U BUY IT.... whats next... dont buy the electric cars cause they suck,,, please.. everyone will have they thoughts on a subject.. they may not match. ... who cares...
Porn doesn't make the cost of everything in your kitchen go up though. Well, unless you are into some really freaky shit. :o
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jimmy porn makes everything go up...
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ok so what you posted has to do with lawn mower engines.. and if you read what you posted it says that to get the better MPG and HP you would need a bigger engine.. also terrain is about the same.. maybe its the high ground.. ya know the fact that Iowa is like 1200ft above sea level... or so shit like that....
Iowa is also very flat compared to GA.
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Not to call you out Mike, but the chemistry does not add up for better MPG with more Ethanol.
http://aaae.okstate.edu/proceedings/2005/Articles/556.pdf
If you get a Mileage difference between here and home it is likely due to a difference in terrain.
ok so what you posted has to do with lawn mower engines.. and if you read what you posted it says that to get the better MPG and HP you would need a bigger engine.. also terrain is about the same.. maybe its the high ground.. ya know the fact that Iowa is like 1200ft above sea level... or so shit like that....
You misunderstood the link I posted, it stated that though Ethanol has the ability to produce more horsepower, it is consumed at a higher rate. What applies to small engines also applies to larger engines.
Ben hit the nail on the head with what I was getting at with the terrain difference, and I brought it up because I have noticed a fairly significant mpg difference in my vehicles between Statesboro and Taylorsville. Some how I get better Mileage when I'm not traveling up and down hills all of the time.
You're original post was asking what was wrong with Ethanol and I simply showed you the facts of what I have seen in regards to it.
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A few weeks ago, I was buying the 10% ethanol mix and have since switched back to the 100% gas and I have noticed a big difference in mpg. I think I lost around 3-4 mpg's on the 10% ethanol mix.
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how about this.. you all just buy the 98 stuff.. and be happy
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how about this.. you all just buy the 98 stuff.. and be happy
Well I mean don't get your panties in a bunch, because people have a differing opinion than you. {hihi}
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not you all are jumpin my shit cause i like the Ethanol.. and Iowa isnt as flat as you all think... hell I am in Augusta and I get less then 200miles to a tank... back home I get over 200... so bite me bitches..LOL...
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not you all are jumpin my shit cause i like the Ethanol.. and Iowa isnt as flat as you all think... hell I am in Augusta and I get less then 200miles to a tank... back home I get over 200... so bite me bitches..LOL...
I think yall just use your good corn in Iowa for gas, we save ours for liquor. {toast} Good corn-good mileage or good corn-good liquor, I'll just get some diesel and a bottle of Apple Jack. ;D
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Found this at a flash foods in Warner Robins....on the pump & NO i didnt do it...allthough its creative and wish i could take credit for it lol
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h63/WW2M1GarandOwner/1274703754493.jpg)
For those with trouble reading this persons handwriting
Clean Burning Ethanol
up to 10% blend
Also Absorbs water, corrodes fuel system and Subsidizes mid west farmers B.S.
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Found this at a flash foods in Warner Robins....on the pump & NO i didnt do it...allthough its creative and wish i could take credit for it lol
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h63/WW2M1GarandOwner/1274703754493.jpg)
For those with trouble reading this persons handwriting
Clean Burning Ethanol
up to 10% blend
Also Absorbs water, corrodes fuel system and Subsidizes mid west farmers B.S.
I have seen that before. Is it the flash on Russell?
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yeup it is