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Flip, flop and roll over situations....
« on: June 21, 2016, 04:17:27 AM »
Flip, flop and roll over situations....
After my flop, Clarks flip and seeing the picture
of Jared. I want us to us to give tips and thoughts
about safety in certain situations we may encounter.



https://youtu.be/FRZ1jYMBVLI

This picture scares the hell out of me......
looking at that rock and if they went over on Jays side!!
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Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2016, 04:42:28 AM »
I flop over several years ago onto the passenger side
of my Jeep. It was a slow motion flop over on a dirt bank.
My daughter and her friend was in the jeep. We had the top
and doors off. I remember seeing the ground coming at us
and then landed. It wasn't a hard hit but it was scary. My
daughter started screaming let me out felling claustrophobic.
She and her friend was able to crawl out the back. I had never
thought about giving instructions on keeping hands or limbs
inside the Jeep. Never thought I would flip either......

So when I started over (on drivers side) at AOP in October
I tucked my hands into my harness and actually looked at
where I was going to land. Thank the Lord the rock was not
inline with my head.

I know Jason, Todd and Randy have all went over at
Gulches and I believe Kirk went over at Moab once.
Wasn't it Chocco where Chris went over into some trees?
(The tree falling on Jareds Jeep is a whole different story!)

What are some do's and don'ts or tips for these situations?


 
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Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2016, 06:32:41 AM »
Safety for mine was the lap belt portion of the harnesses being tightened down sufficiently.  I think a factory roll bar would have survived the impact, and maybe factory seat belts would have held fine, but I know my cage and harnesses worked great.

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Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2016, 09:05:57 AM »
Good to think about these things.  Reminds me of my ex brother in law and his business partner when one had a Ferarri 308 and the other one a 930 turbo and they started club racing.  They soon realized that in order to continue with that "sport" they needed to purchase the proper equipment.  Having lots of expendable income and living in NC, they would buy Terry Labonte's previous year NASCAR (without running gear) and build their own running gear.  They started racing in the Walter Middie <sp?> series and they knew they were in the safest cars on the road courses.

I think everyone needs to play to their own level of risk.  I don't have a cage and don't want to scar up my rig so I stay away for the big stuff.  I could stop flip or flop on any trail but the changes and risk are mitigated.  I feel comfortable that the factory cage will get me through one of those.  Maybe, maybe not. 

If you want to play with the big boys, get big boy equipment.  If I decide to do that, I'll either mod my current JKR or buy/build something that I won't have to worry about it. 

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Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2016, 10:17:09 AM »
I've owned 3 Jeeps and all have had cages.  When I rolled in Moab I just had the stock seatbelt, and it was fine for a slow roll, but I put in a harness right afterwards.
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Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2016, 11:41:31 AM »
Good topic. Just good to keep it in everyone's mind.

The pic of me above isn't as bad as it looks. I think the passenger rear shock still has some travel so the tire was firmly planted. 


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Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2016, 12:06:01 PM »
This picture scares the hell out of me......
looking at that rock and if they went over on Jays side!!


Good thread and good pic but just a comment,  I thought JC was stable through that if that is on Upper Heldorado.  I didn't have that back angle to see the tire droop but he seemed perfectly fine.


yep, Helderado.  That Boulder field after the offcamber section through the big rocks.

I was spotting/picture taking...he really was not that tippy at all, that LJ works well. 

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Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2016, 12:34:45 PM »
When I rolled at Choocoo ( 3 rolls) I had new cage and factory seatbelts. Ridding with others is one of the best safety equipment.

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Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2016, 12:54:58 PM »
This picture scares the hell out of me......
looking at that rock and if they went over on Jays side!!


Good thread and good pic but just a comment,  I thought JC was stable through that if that is on Upper Heldorado.  I didn't have that back angle to see the tire droop but he seemed perfectly fine.

I was spotting/picture taking...he really was not that tippy at all, that LJ works well. 

Glad he wasn't.....good picture for people to see how it could
happen and what might happen when you hit the ground.

It still scares me when I look at it because 2 more feet and my
head would have landed on a rock when I flopped over. Just
trying to raise awareness on the possibility's.


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Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2016, 01:18:29 PM »
Its good to talk about this.  The more it comes up, the better chance we have to react with the right instinct (hands in, harness tight) should it happen to us.
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Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2016, 01:25:12 PM »
Only laid mine over on the side of escalator at moab. No body damage but was completely sideways. I just reversed out. My next mod is a cage of some sort. Either bolt in or welded. I have been rolling the dicxe for far too many years now. My wheeling style is not crazy but I pick some crazy lines sometimes which leave very little room for error. If you have a wheeling rig I would go look at optic armour for windshields. Lexan won't break in a roll.
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Re: Flip, flop and roll over situations....
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2016, 01:26:02 PM »
So building on all of the points discussed. Would it make sense to have a helmet and wear it?  If so, what type of helmet would be sufficient? 
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